Well, you missed the whole point--and maybe I am NOT all that gifted at
expressing my thoughts...

Let's reset to reality, I am saying, "Ones 'mental model' is highly
indicative of what they are going to perceive!"

Don't credit me with more complexity than I am capable of, or wanting to put
forward....



Warmest regards,
John

At this time, I think it is important to interject the following, and
clarify my position:

I value GREATLY the men and women (even the ITs) who have gone before me.

They have laid a good foundation and provided me with tools of which a value
cannot be placed--knowledge is priceless...

And, I would always explain (with my limited abilities) the concepts which
provide a "language" so we can all communicate, effectively, on the subject
of radio and its' affects/effects... I respect the right of "impedance",
"reactance" and such to exist in concept... (even time--although I wish we
thought in terms of "Earth Revolutions" and fractions thereof; even the
concept of cold I can accept grin)

The forefathers of radio are at least as great as those forefathers of our
nation.

I would give all I own to have stood beside such men as Benjamin Franklin,
Nicola Tesla, Faraday, Armstrong, Deforest, etc... I am born too late for
anything so exciting--I only hope the future has such moments left... I
think it does (in fact, I "religiously" believe!)...



So, now those who would denounce me as a "Rebellious Idiot" should be
quieted (well, somewhat)!!! I am NOT rebellious!!!

grin


Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Let me give you my "Mental Model."
|
| There is no such thing as "cold."
| There is no such thing as "heat." (there is infrared radiation--i.e. a
| frequency(s) of vibration of atoms)
| Cold is the absence of heat, absolute cold (absolute zero) is a single
| measurement of one state of heat (vibration/movement of atomic
| particles)--NONE!
| Heat (hot) is really a measurement of the state of exicted
atomic/sub-atomic
| particles movement, and of that movement producing "heat" through the
| friction produced by the movement of these atomic particles...
|
| Next, there is no such thing as "time!" Time is simply a measurement of
| movement! Indeed, our time is based on the rotation of the sun and
| planets... (atomic time on the decay of a radioactive substance--but
again,
| physical change and movement!)
|
| I realize that specific "mental models" have been created, taught, adopted
| and followed (too religiously if you ask me!) for discussing and
describing
| "radio." However, most of these are far from "real things!"
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
|

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:15:16 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:
.....snip

Next, there is no such thing as "time!" Time is simply a measurement of
movement! Indeed, our time is based on the rotation of the sun and
planets... (atomic time on the decay of a radioactive substance--but again,
physical change and movement!)

Dear John,

The essence of Life is Change.

The essence of Change is Time.

Without Time there is no Change - without Change there is no Life.

Without time, the existence of that entity or "Geist" that could
imagine a concept of "Time" could not exist.

Therefore, Time might well be the most fundamental of fundamentals.


Bob, W9DMK, Dahlgren, VA
Replace "nobody" with my callsign for e-mail
http://www.qsl.net/w9dmk
http://zaffora/f2o.org/W9DMK/W9dmk.html

Well, you make an excellent argument, and you are certainly correct that
"time" is a fairy tale that we can use to good advantage, and we are better
off for being "fools" and believing in the "myth"--it benefits us, and if we
don't look too hard, it appears "REAL"--but "time" is NOT real...
Change is movement--and movement is what "time" was constructed to record...
and the earths movement is all it ever recorded (well, heavenly bodies, pick
one, you can use "that" one too.)
Time in a bottle would be the earth rotating, or a bit of radioactive
loosing atomic particles, and a little man counting the number of them
lost...

Warmest regards,
John

"W9DMK (Robert Lay)" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:15:16 -0700, "John Smith"
| wrote:
| ....snip
|
| Next, there is no such thing as "time!" Time is simply a measurement of
| movement! Indeed, our time is based on the rotation of the sun and
| planets... (atomic time on the decay of a radioactive substance--but
again,
| physical change and movement!)
|
| Dear John,
|
| The essence of Life is Change.
|
| The essence of Change is Time.
|
| Without Time there is no Change - without Change there is no Life.
|
| Without time, the existence of that entity or "Geist" that could
| imagine a concept of "Time" could not exist.
|
| Therefore, Time might well be the most fundamental of fundamentals.
|
|
| Bob, W9DMK, Dahlgren, VA
| Replace "nobody" with my callsign for e-mail
| http://www.qsl.net/w9dmk
| http://zaffora/f2o.org/W9DMK/W9dmk.html
|

Wait, I just realized that may be in error, earlier, in another thread of
this group, Cecil mentioned a turtle!!! Perhaps Cecil will fill us in on
that turtle more--it sounded pretty special, and carried a whole world on
its back--if that were the case--I am sure "time" must finally resolve to
"Turtle Footsteps!" just-a-jesting-ya-Cecil grin

I "mock" "time", but hold it in high value.... other things in life are the
same for me...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Well, you make an excellent argument, and you are certainly correct that
| "time" is a fairy tale that we can use to good advantage, and we are
better
| off for being "fools" and believing in the "myth"--it benefits us, and if
we
| don't look too hard, it appears "REAL"--but "time" is NOT real...
| Change is movement--and movement is what "time" was constructed to
record...
| and the earths movement is all it ever recorded (well, heavenly bodies,
pick
| one, you can use "that" one too.)
| Time in a bottle would be the earth rotating, or a bit of radioactive
| loosing atomic particles, and a little man counting the number of them
| lost...
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "W9DMK (Robert Lay)" wrote in message
| ...
|| On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 13:15:16 -0700, "John Smith"
|| wrote:
|| ....snip
||
|| Next, there is no such thing as "time!" Time is simply a measurement of
|| movement! Indeed, our time is based on the rotation of the sun and
|| planets... (atomic time on the decay of a radioactive substance--but
| again,
|| physical change and movement!)
||
|| Dear John,
||
|| The essence of Life is Change.
||
|| The essence of Change is Time.
||
|| Without Time there is no Change - without Change there is no Life.
||
|| Without time, the existence of that entity or "Geist" that could
|| imagine a concept of "Time" could not exist.
||
|| Therefore, Time might well be the most fundamental of fundamentals.
||
||
|| Bob, W9DMK, Dahlgren, VA
|| Replace "nobody" with my callsign for e-mail
|| http://www.qsl.net/w9dmk
|| http://zaffora/f2o.org/W9DMK/W9dmk.html
||
|
|

W9DMK (Robert Lay) wrote:

Dear John,

The essence of Life is Change.

The essence of Change is Time.

Without Time there is no Change - without Change there is no Life.

Without time, the existence of that entity or "Geist" that could
imagine a concept of "Time" could not exist.

Therefore, Time might well be the most fundamental of fundamentals.



"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so" Douglas Adams

tom
K0TAR

Tom:



I second the "time spatial effect" which makes "time" speed up right when
they give ya lunch!!!! Yep, it is REAL alright!!!



Regards,

John

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
. ..
| W9DMK (Robert Lay) wrote:
|
| Dear John,
|
| The essence of Life is Change.
|
| The essence of Change is Time.
|
| Without Time there is no Change - without Change there is no Life.
|
| Without time, the existence of that entity or "Geist" that could
| imagine a concept of "Time" could not exist.
|
| Therefore, Time might well be the most fundamental of fundamentals.
|
|
|
| "Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so" Douglas Adams
|
| tom
| K0TAR
|

Time is a commodity. It can be bought.

Reg:

Kinda like all that "air" in a bag of potato chips yer payin' for??? grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
| Time is a commodity. It can be bought.
|
|

Well, we certainly have learned something here, and that was the point this
all began....

"If everyone can't even agree on time--we are going to even have a bit more
problem with other "myths."

Truth is, if you choose to believe in "time", you do no harm, if you choose
to believe in a christian "God", you do no harm, if you choose to believe in
"radio theory", you do no harm...

Personally, Santa gets my vote!!! HEY! Wait a minutes, that's me, or at
least that is what my grown kids think!!! grin

So, we proceed.... hopefully with patience and understanding for such as the
like of me--a newbie...

Regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Let me give you my "Mental Model."
|
| There is no such thing as "cold."
| There is no such thing as "heat." (there is infrared radiation--i.e. a
| frequency(s) of vibration of atoms)
| Cold is the absence of heat, absolute cold (absolute zero) is a single
| measurement of one state of heat (vibration/movement of atomic
| particles)--NONE!
| Heat (hot) is really a measurement of the state of exicted
atomic/sub-atomic
| particles movement, and of that movement producing "heat" through the
| friction produced by the movement of these atomic particles...
|
| Next, there is no such thing as "time!" Time is simply a measurement of
| movement! Indeed, our time is based on the rotation of the sun and
| planets... (atomic time on the decay of a radioactive substance--but
again,
| physical change and movement!)
|
| I realize that specific "mental models" have been created, taught, adopted
| and followed (too religiously if you ask me!) for discussing and
describing
| "radio." However, most of these are far from "real things!"
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
|