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Cecil Moore wrote:
Roger Conroy wrote: Can you define "changes" without reference to time? My dog cannot tell time but knows when to eat by the changes in her feelings from not hungry to hungry. My cats know when I am coming home in the evening Time is just an artifact of man's mental model of reality. Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all things happen concurrently? Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes alone with no reference to time. That's hard to prove one way or the other. - Mike KB3EIA - - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all things happen concurrently? I agree that time is the description of the interval between happenings. What I don't accept is that time is some real dimension existing completely independent of human concepts. Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes alone with no reference to time. That's hard to prove one way or the other. I don't recall clocks being part of the fossil record. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all things happen concurrently? I agree that time is the description of the interval between happenings. What I don't accept is that time is some real dimension existing completely independent of human concepts. Well now, that is somewhat different. As for time itself being a dimension, that is quite arguable. But even if that is the case, it doesn't mean that time itself doesn't exist. Did you ever wonder what the speed of gravity was? Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes alone with no reference to time. That's hard to prove one way or the other. I don't recall clocks being part of the fossil record. :-) But there are clocks *in* the fossil record. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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Well, you are correct, we live in a universe where everything hasn't ALL
occured at once... and we have a "progression of events"... time is not a "cause factor" of them, you want to argue it is an "effect of them", and indeed--it even looks like that to me... (especially when I tap my red heels together, close my eyes and repeat, "I want to go home! I want to go home! Would take time ta git home, yanno! And, Toto wants to go to! grin) And, a law of physics is "every action has an equal and opposite reaction", so, I think it follows, we are still viewing the "reaction(s)" to the big bang... with all events we are now viewing caused by its "action"; and, we even live under the delusion these "reactions" are logical (obey "just" laws of physics!!!!) What worries me more, is when the universe becomes "static" (no free energy yanno, one of those darn laws of physics, something is "spinning" all this "stuff"--why would the universe be "perpetual motion? Well, unless 'God' spins it!") what then? Will you admit time would cease to exist then? And, why? Just because all motion stopped? grin But, "time" is not real.... (Alzheimers yanno--I forgot I already mentioned that--sorry! grin) Warmest regards, John "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... | Cecil Moore wrote: | | Mike Coslo wrote: | | Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all | things happen concurrently? | | | I agree that time is the description of the interval between | happenings. What I don't accept is that time is some real | dimension existing completely independent of human concepts. | | Well now, that is somewhat different. As for time itself being a | dimension, that is quite arguable. But even if that is the case, it | doesn't mean that time itself doesn't exist. | | Did you ever wonder what the speed of gravity was? | | | Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes | alone with no reference to time. | | | That's hard to prove one way or the other. | | | I don't recall clocks being part of the fossil record. :-) | | But there are clocks *in* the fossil record. | | - Mike KB3EIA - |
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 00:34:03 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all things happen concurrently? I agree that time is the description of the interval between happenings. What I don't accept is that time is some real dimension existing completely independent of human concepts. Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes alone with no reference to time. That's hard to prove one way or the other. I don't recall clocks being part of the fossil record. :-) Sure there were -- growth ridges on clams, tree rings, etc. :-) |
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Cecil Moore wrote: I don't recall clocks being part of the fossil record. :-) Sure there were -- growth ridges on clams, tree rings, etc. :-) Those are merely reflections of changes in the amount of sunlight. They would cease to exist if the sun changed and went dark. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Are humans the only beings that "create" time?
I was out for my lunchtime jog today, around the golf course. I was watching birds take off and land in the breezy conditions. It was interesting to watch the subtle adjustments they would make, especially when coming in to land. You could see them adjusting their wings in several ways to send themselves to where they wanted to land. They would compensate for wind gusts (and lack of wind). Point is, I cannot come up with any way in which they can cope with the randomness of the wind and land in the palce they desire without having an acute sense of time. They obviously are not counting off seconds or whatever. But they seem to land where they want to, and must be predicting it by their flight adjustments. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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On Thu, 05 May 2005 07:30:21 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote: wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: I don't recall clocks being part of the fossil record. :-) Sure there were -- growth ridges on clams, tree rings, etc. :-) Those are merely reflections of changes in the amount of sunlight. They would cease to exist if the sun changed and went dark. As, I suspect, would the organisms involved, no? |
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"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Cecil Moore wrote: Roger Conroy wrote: Can you define "changes" without reference to time? My dog cannot tell time but knows when to eat by the changes in her feelings from not hungry to hungry. My cats know when I am coming home in the evening Time is just an artifact of man's mental model of reality. Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all things happen concurrently? Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes alone with no reference to time. That's hard to prove one way or the other. - Mike KB3EIA - - Mike KB3EIA - You guys are ducking the question - Can you define "Changes" without referring to time? Your dog/cat/bat/goldfish/snake's ability to predict when it will be fed is spurious. 73 Roger ZR3RC |
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Roger Conroy wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Cecil Moore wrote: Roger Conroy wrote: Can you define "changes" without reference to time? My dog cannot tell time but knows when to eat by the changes in her feelings from not hungry to hungry. My cats know when I am coming home in the evening Time is just an artifact of man's mental model of reality. Time is the description of the interval between happenings. Do all things happen concurrently? Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes alone with no reference to time. That's hard to prove one way or the other. - Mike KB3EIA - - Mike KB3EIA - You guys are ducking the question - Can you define "Changes" without referring to time? I can't. - Mike KB3EIA - |
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