On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:44:35 GMT, Sid wrote:

IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

Of course, we here in the US do not live in a democracy. Rather, our
form of government is a representational republic.

Russ


Dave Shrader wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote

and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...


SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE

Sid wrote:
IMHO...a tyrannical form of government would be something from the
Hitler regime, not the Democracy we are blessed with!

The democracy that voted to end the life of Socrates was
pretty tyrannical. How would you like a democracy voting
to end your life?
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Jerry Oxendine wrote:
I am too feisty and independent to accept domination.

So Jerry, what are you going to do when 51% of the citizens are on
welfare and vote that the other 49% (including you and me) must
support them. Don't you believe in democracy?

Don't work so hard, get a job that is easier and pays less. Get a good
survival location, some guns, some food, etc.. Sit back and watch the
burnoff of useless eaters as it unfolds. It will be glorious.

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

No. We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic. Name
any admentment and I can post a law that violates it that the courts have
upheld (ok, with the exception of the quartering of soildiers!!).

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...


Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a
simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party
says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!

A Democracy is the most tyrannical form of government!!!

Deacon Dave, W1MCE


I dunno. Democracy usually works out as well as can be expected. It
works out well enough that Americans sometimes forget about the
potential tyranny of the majority. Having some of our rights written
down is a useful reminder.

Frank Dresser

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
...


Frank Dresser wrote:

SNIP
...
Democracy is no more perfect than the human race. The guys who wrote
and approved the Constitution and Bill of Rights knew individual rights
could get voted away.

I'm not sure why some Homeowner's Associations have a problem with
religious monuments, flags or flagpoles, or the First Amendment rights
most of take for granted. The people who advocate such positions seem
remarkably shy in public, especially around reporters.

When I first heard of the George Andres case, ...

SNIP

Frank, regarding your comments on a Democracy I'd like to make a simple
observation.

We in the USA do NOT live in a Democracy, thank God! Contrary to what
the newspapers say, TV moguls say, the Democratic Political Party says,
and numerous candidates for political office say ... We live in a
Representative Republic!


Getting closer to the truth, but exactly what, besides redundant, is a
"representative republic"? Perhaps you meant to say "constitutional
republic".

Ed
wb6wsn

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
news:JL8zb.7008$_M.27952@attbi_s54...
There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?


OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

Ed
wb6wsn

See stealth antennas at URL:
http://ac6v.com/antprojects.htm#STANT

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"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
news:JL8zb.7008$_M.27952@attbi_s54...
There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

Ed Price wrote:

SNIPPED

OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

Ed
wb6wsn

Ed, when he signed his contract the CC&Rs on antennas were not the issue
as has been the premise in previous posts on this topic. If a ham moves
INTO a CC&R community he has contracted to comply with the CC&Rs. [Note:
my sister lives in a CC&R community and her antenna structure provision
has the adjective 'permanent' in the statement of terms. So, a
'temporary' antenna structure is allowed!]

However, at a later time Bill develops a new interest, ham radio, and
that includes an activity that is prohibited. Does that mean that the
VEC/VE should advise potential applicants that if you live in a CC&R
community 'Forget it!!'??

As the thread was/is developing anyone who currently lives in a CC&R
community should be discouraged from becoming a ham!

Deacon Dave

Midwest Kid wrote:
We live in a Democracy that once _was_ a Representative Republic.

If we live in a Democracy, Al Gore, who got the majority of the popular
vote, would be President. The Electorial College is certainly not
democratic. The fact that we vote for representatives rather than
voting on laws directly is certainly not democratic.
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