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Hi,
For ongoing topic on antenna restrictions and related subject go he http://www.eham.net/forums/AntennaRestrictions I also live in a restricted lower middle class working guy/gal development ( PUD) all new construction in the area had these restricted covenants. No way around it unless you buy older homes in older neighborhoods and you may pay a lot of money for smaller home but well built and no restrictions. Most restrictions duplicate local rules, like letting the lawn grow a foot tall or parking any cars on the front lawn or backyard, etc... a few crazy people on our board, one rides his mobility scooter and takes photos of any and all things he don't like, get a life pal ! he is crazy. As you will read in the above eham topic, one poster points out that the homes in the big buck area like beverly hills etc, have NO RESTRICTIONS and many are hams ! he also writes that these restrictions do nothing to increase home values. do visit the above link very informative 73 and keep it stealth ! "A.Pismo Clam" wrote: Hello All! I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you might find a copy in your local library. In essence he says that the: "...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies." Want to know how? Here is the URL: www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should not be that difficult to do... |
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Hi,
For ongoing topic on antenna restrictions and related subject go he http://www.eham.net/forums/AntennaRestrictions I also live in a restricted lower middle class working guy/gal development ( PUD) all new construction in the area had these restricted covenants. No way around it unless you buy older homes in older neighborhoods and you may pay a lot of money for smaller home but well built and no restrictions. Most restrictions duplicate local rules, like letting the lawn grow a foot tall or parking any cars on the front lawn or backyard, etc... a few crazy people on our board, one rides his mobility scooter and takes photos of any and all things he don't like, get a life pal ! he is crazy. As you will read in the above eham topic, one poster points out that the homes in the big buck area like beverly hills etc, have NO RESTRICTIONS and many are hams ! he also writes that these restrictions do nothing to increase home values. do visit the above link very informative 73 and keep it stealth ! "A.Pismo Clam" wrote: Hello All! I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you might find a copy in your local library. In essence he says that the: "...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies." Want to know how? Here is the URL: www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should not be that difficult to do... |
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"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:
I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you might find a copy in your local library. (snip) There was legislation proposed last year in the House of Representatives that would have prevented Home Owner Associations, and similar groups, from banning the use of outside antennas by Ham Operators. The idea was to apply the same "reasonable accommodation" rules that previous legislation had done regarding towns and cities. The legislation was supported by several House members, sent to committee for review, and I never heard anything else about it. Perhaps someone else is aware of what actually happened to it. Dwight Stewart (W5NET) http://www.qsl.net/w5net/ |
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When I lived in Austin, a ham on the air gave me an
excellent possible solution to the problem of annoying home owner association self-appointed gods. He had lived in such a "anti-antenna" residence at one time that didn't allow him to erect any outside antennas. Therefore, he put a dipole up in his attic, took ALL filtering out of line that he possibly could and put the largest amplifier his money could buy inline and began blasting away. Of course he got knocks on the door, and people beginning to complain, but they no longer had a legal leg to stand on due to the FCC's requirements that nearly all electrical gizmos and doo-dads "accept any interference that results from other nearby operating .... blah blah blah..." The ham then told the home owners that this was the result of having to move an antenna to the inside of his attic to remove it from site, and gave them some mumbo-jumbo jargon about why it causes more interference than having it outside and high in the air (referring to his antenna). Of course, he simply didn't mention the huge planet-busting amplifier or the fact that he removed all his filtering that he possibly could. The home owners, believe it or not, made an exception for him, after all the residential complaints about televisions, telephones, baby monitors, answering machines and everything else getting tore up constantly from RFI. I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner gods become assholes as well. Clint |
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![]() Clint, ----clipped--- I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner gods become assholes as well. Clint I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the rules that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral fortitude than it does the HOA's policies... 'Doc |
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![]() "'Doc" wrote in message ... Clint, ----clipped--- I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner gods become assholes as well. Clint I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the rules that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral fortitude than it does the HOA's policies... 'Doc ...kinda like sympathizing with HOA's that also frequently ban flying an american flag as well. Clint |
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![]() Clint, Actually, it's exactly like what I said. Please don't attribute any more to what I said than what was actually there. You don't have the slightest idea of how I feel about HOAs so comments like yours only show an ability to jump to a conclusion without any supporting evidence. Sort of like reading the "National Enquirer"(s), entertaining but worthless... 'Doc |
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There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject. Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs. Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio. Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs. He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property using trees along the property line for antenna support. The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option? |
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![]() "Dave Shrader" wrote in message news:JL8zb.7008$_M.27952@attbi_s54... There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd like to open the subject. Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs. Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio. Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs. He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property using trees along the property line for antenna support. The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option? OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life? His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far. Ed wb6wsn |
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Ed Price wrote:
SNIPPED OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life? His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far. Ed wb6wsn Ed, when he signed his contract the CC&Rs on antennas were not the issue as has been the premise in previous posts on this topic. If a ham moves INTO a CC&R community he has contracted to comply with the CC&Rs. [Note: my sister lives in a CC&R community and her antenna structure provision has the adjective 'permanent' in the statement of terms. So, a 'temporary' antenna structure is allowed!] However, at a later time Bill develops a new interest, ham radio, and that includes an activity that is prohibited. Does that mean that the VEC/VE should advise potential applicants that if you live in a CC&R community 'Forget it!!'?? As the thread was/is developing anyone who currently lives in a CC&R community should be discouraged from becoming a ham! Deacon Dave |
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