Hi,

For ongoing topic on antenna restrictions and related subject go he

http://www.eham.net/forums/AntennaRestrictions


I also live in a restricted lower middle class working guy/gal development (
PUD)

all new construction in the area had these restricted covenants. No way
around it
unless you buy older homes in older neighborhoods and you may pay a lot of
money
for smaller home but well built and no restrictions.

Most restrictions duplicate local rules, like letting the lawn grow a foot
tall or parking
any cars on the front lawn or backyard, etc...

a few crazy people on our board, one rides his mobility scooter and takes
photos of any
and all things he don't like, get a life pal ! he is crazy.

As you will read in the above eham topic, one poster points out that the
homes in the
big buck area like beverly hills etc, have NO RESTRICTIONS and many are hams
!

he also writes that these restrictions do nothing to increase home values.

do visit the above link very informative

73 and keep it stealth !


"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:

Hello All!

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An
article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The
article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too
good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you
might find a copy in your local library.

In essence he says that the:

"...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof
and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy
neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local
governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies."

Want to know how? Here is the URL:

www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have
erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should
not be that difficult to do...

Hi,

For ongoing topic on antenna restrictions and related subject go he

http://www.eham.net/forums/AntennaRestrictions


I also live in a restricted lower middle class working guy/gal development (
PUD)

all new construction in the area had these restricted covenants. No way
around it
unless you buy older homes in older neighborhoods and you may pay a lot of
money
for smaller home but well built and no restrictions.

Most restrictions duplicate local rules, like letting the lawn grow a foot
tall or parking
any cars on the front lawn or backyard, etc...

a few crazy people on our board, one rides his mobility scooter and takes
photos of any
and all things he don't like, get a life pal ! he is crazy.

As you will read in the above eham topic, one poster points out that the
homes in the
big buck area like beverly hills etc, have NO RESTRICTIONS and many are hams
!

he also writes that these restrictions do nothing to increase home values.

do visit the above link very informative

73 and keep it stealth !


"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:

Hello All!

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS supporter for many years. An
article in this months "On Air" PBS magazine has made my day! The
article is on page #3. It is written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in question, but it does sound too
good to be true. How curious are you? If you live in San Diego, you
might find a copy in your local library.

In essence he says that the:

"...[Federal] government will defend your right to crawl up on the roof
and put up a BIG, HONKING antenna, despite the protests of nosy
neighbors, community planners, rental management companies, local
governemnt bureaucrats and other meddlesome busybodies."

Want to know how? Here is the URL:

www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

Now you may have to prove to "the opposition" that the antenna you have
erected can indeed receive "local" television stations, but that should
not be that difficult to do...

"A.Pismo Clam" wrote:

I live in San Diego and have been a PBS
supporter for many years. An article in this
months "On Air" PBS magazine has made
my day! The article is on page #3. It is
written by the General Manager of the tv
station. I have not read the document in
question, but it does sound too good to
be true. How curious are you? If you live
in San Diego, you might find a copy in
your local library. (snip)


There was legislation proposed last year in the House of Representatives
that would have prevented Home Owner Associations, and similar groups, from
banning the use of outside antennas by Ham Operators. The idea was to apply
the same "reasonable accommodation" rules that previous legislation had done
regarding towns and cities. The legislation was supported by several House
members, sent to committee for review, and I never heard anything else about
it. Perhaps someone else is aware of what actually happened to it.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

When I lived in Austin, a ham on the air gave me an
excellent possible solution to the problem of
annoying home owner association self-appointed
gods.

He had lived in such a "anti-antenna" residence
at one time that didn't allow him to erect any outside
antennas. Therefore, he put a dipole up in his attic,
took ALL filtering out of line that he possibly could
and put the largest amplifier his money could buy
inline and began blasting away.

Of course he got knocks on the door, and people
beginning to complain, but they no longer had a legal
leg to stand on due to the FCC's requirements that
nearly all electrical gizmos and doo-dads "accept
any interference that results from other nearby
operating .... blah blah blah..."

The ham then told the home owners that this
was the result of having to move an antenna to the inside
of his attic to remove it from site, and gave them some
mumbo-jumbo jargon about why it causes more
interference than having it outside and high in the air
(referring to his antenna). Of course, he simply didn't
mention the huge planet-busting amplifier or the fact
that he removed all his filtering that he possibly could.

The home owners, believe it or not, made an exception
for him, after all the residential complaints about televisions,
telephones, baby monitors, answering machines and everything
else getting tore up constantly from RFI.

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

Clint,
----clipped---

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Clint,
----clipped---

I recommend more hams doing this if thier home owner
gods become assholes as well.

Clint

I wouldn't. I'd recomend that if you can't abide by the
rules
that you said you would, then either don't sign the contract, or
move. All these little tales say more about the person's moral
fortitude than it does the HOA's policies...
'Doc

...kinda like sympathizing with HOA's that also frequently ban
flying an american flag as well.

Clint

Clint,
Actually, it's exactly like what I said. Please
don't attribute any more to what I said than what
was actually there. You don't have the slightest idea
of how I feel about HOAs so comments like yours only
show an ability to jump to a conclusion without any
supporting evidence. Sort of like reading the "National
Enquirer"(s), entertaining but worthless...
'Doc

There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?

"Dave Shrader" wrote in message
news:JL8zb.7008$_M.27952@attbi_s54...
There a new thought for this thread that has not been discussed and I'd
like to open the subject.

Bill and Mary, in their mid 50s, buy a home in a CC&R community and are
quite happy with the community and the CC&Rs.

Ten years later, Bill retires and a friend introduces him to Ham Radio.
Bill finds it fascinating and after several months passes his exam and
becomes W9BILL. By this time he has forgotten many details of the CC&Rs.

He proceeds to erect a simple dipole antenna in the back of his property
using trees along the property line for antenna support.

The HOA police show up! What are Bill's options: He is retired and his
income is lower than when employed so moving is a very difficult option?


OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

Ed
wb6wsn

Ed Price wrote:

SNIPPED

OK, just what justifies Bill's actions? His age? His loss of memory? He's a
retiree? His simple antenna design? Or, to put it simpler, after a few years
go by, is it OK to ignore parts of a contract that may complicate your life?

His current options? Take down that simple antenna, and all is now in
compliance with the HOA CC&R's. That shouldn't stretch his budget too far.

Ed
wb6wsn

Ed, when he signed his contract the CC&Rs on antennas were not the issue
as has been the premise in previous posts on this topic. If a ham moves
INTO a CC&R community he has contracted to comply with the CC&Rs. [Note:
my sister lives in a CC&R community and her antenna structure provision
has the adjective 'permanent' in the statement of terms. So, a
'temporary' antenna structure is allowed!]

However, at a later time Bill develops a new interest, ham radio, and
that includes an activity that is prohibited. Does that mean that the
VEC/VE should advise potential applicants that if you live in a CC&R
community 'Forget it!!'??

As the thread was/is developing anyone who currently lives in a CC&R
community should be discouraged from becoming a ham!

Deacon Dave