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Maybe the only one? :-) The G5RV, with tuner, is a pretty
good 80m, 40m, 20m, and 12m antenna. Depends what you compare it to... I bet my paralleled 80/40/20 dipoles would beat it on all those bands. Maybe even 12m. I'm not going to lose too awful much even though I'm running 213 coax. You may have some cases on the higher bands where the gain may be better than the dipoles in some directions, but thats still not a matter of efficiency. If the series section is varied from 20 feet to 36 feet, it becomes a very good all-HF-band antenna. With the addition of a parallel 1000pf capacitor with the series section at 22 feet, on 75m my "G5RV" has SWR of 1.3:1 and works as well as a 75m 1/2WL dipole. You would be the exception to the rule. And I still really doubt it's the total equal of a simple coax fed dipole on 80m. The "usual" G5RV that most people tend to buy and run is one of the most pathetic 80m antennas I've ever used in my life. Truly a disgusting POC... ![]() of being stuck on the G5RV at not one, but two field days in a row. I'd never experienced working FD on a dummy load until that time. I lost about 3 mm of tooth due to the constant grinding of my teeth on those weekends. After that, I *swore* I would never, ever, be stuck on one of those things ever again. Never, nada, zilch. Now, I've heard people that had fairly decent signals with various perversions of the G5RV, but again, they seem to modify them to work halfway well, and many run amps, which also help them look a bit better than they really are. If people want to run those, be my guest, but keep them at least 500 yards from me. I'll be using my usual coax fed dipoles. This trails off to the "carolina" windoms that many people run in the same appx manner. Well, on the first FD after the two G5RV nightmares, I brought all my own stuff to build dipoles on the spot. I got to the FD, and the first antenna they suggested I use was a carolina windom that was up in the air pretty well. Maybe 50 ft up or more. It was fed with the usual "clutter" and a tuner. "tuner/coax/choke/antenna. I can't remember if any ladder line was involved on that one... Anyway, the first thing out of my mouth was *NO!!!!!". I'll build a regular ole dipole, thanks, but no thanks. Not trying to be rude, but I'd had my fill of dummy loads. Anyway, I built a 40 meter dipole on the spot, and threw it up in a different tree. It was actually lower in height than the windom. I then brought out a coax switch, and hooked both the windom, and the coax fed dipole to the rig. Now, at first glance, you would think the windom was doing all the good. It was "working", and seemed to be just fine. But then, I'd switch over to the dipole, and *everything* would jump 2 S units on that radio. All signals, noise floor, the whole shooting match. The windom owner like to fell over. He had no idea that he was taking that big a hit vs a simple dipole. Needless to say, the windom wasn't used after that test. People can run whatever they want, but many have delusions that these "compromise" clutter fed all band antennas are just as good as a simple dipole. It's rarely the case by what I've seen. Did you actually compare with a coax fed dipole using a switch, etc? If not, saying it's equal is just theory at this point. I'd have to see it to believe it... :/ Heck, I see the difference from a properly fed tuner/ladderline/dipole setup vs a coax fed dipole. The coax fed always wins here by a slight amount. As far as I'm concerned, a coax fed dipole is as good as you can get in the real world on those lower bands as far as system efficiency. In the 95+% bracket I think. Your tunerless setup may be equal, but that's not the usual setup for most people. Most use a tuner also. I use the coax fed dipole as the benchmark by which all others are measured on 80m. Most all lose, unless they are a gain antenna like arrays or whatever. Of course, with the dipoles on 80m, I'm usually talking NVIS, or medium distances. I'm not a dxer much. But...I had no problem at all taking to EU this past winter on that dipole in the couple of times I tried it down in the dx window. . No amp. I haven't run an amp in 5 years. First call and solid copy too. I forgot where they were. I think one on G land. One in Spain, germany, etc..With just 90-100w from the 706. ![]() signal is really what I shoot for. Can't get much better than a coax fed dipole or loop. Simple is best I think. ![]() MK |
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