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an_old_friend wrote:
Cecil as good as it is your analogy still fails thanks to the fact that if I can drunk (and I have no idea wether I can or not) it only means something In Basketball. now if one inabilty to duck a basketball barred them from all sports then you rise closer to the level of what the code test is in the ARS What you don't seem to realize is that dunking a basketball and knowing Morse code are equally useful in the ARS. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Cecil Moore wrote: an_old_friend wrote: Cecil as good as it is your analogy still fails thanks to the fact that if I can drunk (and I have no idea wether I can or not) it only means something In Basketball. now if one inabilty to duck a basketball barred them from all sports then you rise closer to the level of what the code test is in the ARS What you don't seem to realize is that dunking a basketball and knowing Morse code are equally useful in the ARS. well If Could dunk a basket ball it would be useful in being able to put up antennas and such, but I begin to see your point -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message . net... Dee Flint wrote: It took me 3 months of daily practice of an hour or more every day to get to 5wpm. That's over 90 hours. try 5 years at 40minute per day, I frankly prefer not to do the math to come up with the nuber of hours and still NO sucess now of course if you respond to me at all you blame my metohod or my unkonwn to you teachers etc. everything to avoid the central issue why is Code knowledge more important than the rest of Ham radio combined that is the issue of course I say more important since their question in pools about cw that tip it from equal to the rest to more important |
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David G. Nagel wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: David G. Nagel wrote: Deaf persons have succussfully completed the code portion of the testing at all levels of speed. Some use a vibrator attached to their wrist. Others us a light. As mentioned elsewhere "never say never". But that certainly doesn't satisfy the letter of the regulations. To do that, they must "copy by ear". No, it does satisfy the alternative methods of copying code as specified by the FCC. but never satified the treaty lang on the subject and therefore in violation of international law Dave WD9BDZ |
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Why not get rid of the code? Really, why not make the written exam easier?
Just make exams covers enough to make sure some idiot doesn't kill themselves or some body else. Have only one class of license called "Amateur Radio License", with full access to all bands. No matter what class a person holds now it would be renewed as only "Amateur Radio License". Novices would be grandfathered in.You couldn't get any worse class of ham than we do with the 20wpm wonders. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Steveo wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote: He is his own biggest enemy. Dee Flint, N8UZE He's our tax dollars at work. you do love elling that lie |
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Sal M. Onella wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. Dee Flint, N8UZE I don't think you insulted me -- it was whoever said I don't deserve a license. I beliveveSal I was being addressed However, I do think it's a bit of a stretch to say that I can learn code just because I can speak and understand words. You should see what my raw typing looks like before I go back and fix it prior to hitting send (or should I say "sned," which was what I typed the first time -- typically four or five of those per line.) It's pretty bad. indeed it likely looks much like what I send to the gruops on many occasion (sine these folks were never satisfied with even my more polished work) I'm thinking of trying to learn the dits and dahs as strings of written dots and dashes on paper. According to everything I've been told or exposed to, that is not recommended. The ARRL VEC will not premite that in code even as an accomdation All the training says the goal is to perceive each letter as a consolidated unit of sounds without any intermediate translation steps. Well, since I'm positive that isn't working, particularly for characters of four or more elements ... maybe a graphical alternative is in order. but it isn't allowed by the largest organiztion involed in code testing, the erefusual of the Code testing side to enage in any meanfull compromises is what finaly convinced to to aid and fight the NoCode cause over some kind of compromise |
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message news:wRKmg.447$RD.95@fed1read08... "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. Typing and reading are visually based. So it makes sense that those are a problem. But do you have difficulty saying words or hearing them? Just because the typing is a problem, doesn't mean that the aural/spoken is a problem. Reading/writing is a different activity than hearing/speaking and uses different parts of the brain. While I can't imagine a graphical method working for a dyslexic since it's visual, who can say for sure. you claim to have certain knowledge of whta is and isn't possible By the way, I still have problems with longer characters now and then or combinations of certain characters. I had an awful time trying to copy a call sign in a contest that began with SH5 (3 dots, 4 dots, 5 dots). and you dare claim it must be doable by everyone else you lies are becomeing tangled Dee Dee Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message . com... Dee Flint wrote: 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp You have extracted something from my post that was never there. No one has ever said that the purpose of hams knowing code was to hear a ship sending an SOS. wrong again Dee Flint amny have said exactly that wether you have ever been amoug them In addition, he might have a light rigged for cw, which he could see as he moved about the room. backpedal Digital modes fail on a regular basis due to static, auroras, etc. they do How many times, say during Katrina did this occour or for that matter name an insitance where digital mode failed , in an emergency and Cw encoded morse got through and saved the day It's a good idea to have a non-voice, non-computer alternative. why? a clear alternive is to increase the over all number of stations to decrease the chance that progation will fail to devlier the message some where and How does CW testing produce a working CW listening station Dee Flint, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
"DrDeath" wrote in message ... "Steveo" wrote in message LOL, I sure have no interest in CW. I must still be young :-P The highest level of interest for learning the code is among the young. then based on the seenses at VE testing Morse Code is truly doomed why is it that you want tot eh ARS to go down with it? Dee Flint, N8UZE |
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David wrote:
Recently I can across a "music" track that is about 5 minutes long that teaches Morse by the sound of the characters. If you would find this helpful I may be able to get a copy of it and place it on an ftp server for you. Regards David not clear who you are addresing but this method get tried on most dyslexics and rarely works why gald I asked becuase most dyslexcs ebd up doing the easier for us task on meoris 5 minutes of letter (learn though correcting our efforts at the end) rather managing to sort of the tone In Dyslexia, ones is up against one own brain and the methods one has learned to work around the misfiring nurons most dyslexic learn very effectve methods of dealing with, and the btter the devolped method is the harder it is to defeat. Code testing tries to channel one down a path of limited choices |
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Typing and reading are visually based. So it makes sense that those are
a problem. But do you have difficulty saying words or hearing them? Just because the typing is a problem, doesn't mean that the aural/spoken is a problem. Reading/writing is a different activity than hearing/speaking and uses different parts of the brain. While I can't imagine a graphical method working for a dyslexic since it's visual, who can say for sure. you claim to have certain knowledge of whta is and isn't possible you are probably correct. linguistics is mainly concerned with spoken language, not written. in some languages like English, you'll note that people kind of speak the words out in their brain. other languages like Mandarin seem to be converted directly from characters into ideas. ok, what burns me up is people claiming they can't learn code. there are languages that are tonal, configurational, have bizarre sounds, that put the object before the subject, that have thousands of characters. 99% of the planet learns their native language! code is NOT that different than a language. if you must, you can interpret it as tones, and simply write out the tones on a piece of paper and decode them. Gravity |
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By the way, I still have problems with longer characters now and then or
combinations of certain characters. I had an awful time trying to copy a call sign in a contest that began with SH5 (3 dots, 4 dots, 5 dots). and you dare claim it must be doable by everyone else same here! i have trouble with high speed B, 6, 1, J. however, you can create a practice regimen that focuses on these. a trick for contests might be using a spectrograph or MFJ viewer. good luck. Gravity |
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By the way, I still have problems with longer characters now and then or
combinations of certain characters. I had an awful time trying to copy a call sign in a contest that began with SH5 (3 dots, 4 dots, 5 dots). and you dare claim it must be doable by everyone else good practice is beacons e.g. 10 meters. they are terse text, contain slashes, and 5s since i hear Texas ones. you sort of have to "decode" what the beacon is talking about. Gravity |
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How many times, say during Katrina did this occour
uh, if you are deserted on an island with a few buckets of electronics junk, your best bet is CW. if you a prisoner of war, CW could be invaluable in getting a message out. there are many other cases where CW can be used in channels that don't support audio. i am a superior creature because i know CW! ;-) Gravity |
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I am a superior creature because I know the NECA code, as CW will not pay
your bills. i'm a professional contester! (it violates the rules, but we do it anyway.) Gravity |
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and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore
than that your engineering skill is formidable. Gravity |
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gravity wrote: and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that your engineering skill is formidable. possibly it is certainly more valueble the the mereknowledge of Morse code is without the level of engineering skill I have BTW I note myone of my double majors was Physics and a phisists can general anything the various engineers can we just take a lot longer to do it (and make more mistakes than tsomeone trains to think inside the box of a given engineering type Gravity |
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gravity wrote:
and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that your engineering skill is formidable. I don't know much about spark. Was the length of the spark controllable such that dots and dashes could be differentiated? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message om... gravity wrote: and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that your engineering skill is formidable. I don't know much about spark. Was the length of the spark controllable such that dots and dashes could be differentiated? click short pause clack = dit click long pause clack = dah i think it would be hard to decode vs listening to a modern receiver. i believe spark gap would be useless in a rescue situation. Gravity |
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gravity wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote in message om... gravity wrote: and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that your engineering skill is formidable. I don't know much about spark. Was the length of the spark controllable such that dots and dashes could be differentiated? click short pause clack = dit click long pause clack = dah i think it would be hard to decode vs listening to a modern receiver. if all the was being sent was sos then it it should e hard and RDF should pin it down soon enough certainly more than geting to atrue CW rig up and running on some desert Ilse i believe spark gap would be useless in a rescue situation. becuase yo want to belive it usless mostly I suspect Gravity |
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In article .com,
"an old freind" wrote: gravity wrote: and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that your engineering skill is formidable. possibly it is certainly more valueble the the mereknowledge of Morse code is without the level of engineering skill I have BTW I note myone of my double majors was Physics and a phisists can So you majored in Physics but you can't spell Physicist? Right! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Mike |
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So you majored in Physics but you can't spell Physicist? Right!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Mike i'd like to know his area of concentration. i was not in Physics, but studied electromagnetism. Gravity |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... In article .com, "an old freind" wrote: gravity wrote: and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that your engineering skill is formidable. possibly it is certainly more valueble the the mereknowledge of Morse code is without the level of engineering skill I have BTW I note myone of my double majors was Physics and a phisists can So you majored in Physics but you can't spell Physicist? Right! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! at a minimum, he would know quantum mechanics, statistical mechanics, special relativity, electromagnetics. if he was theoretical, he studied quantum field theory and general relativity. PC Technician Gravity |
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BTW I note myone of my double majors was Physics and a phisists can
the other major was underwater basketweaving? Gravity |
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gravity wrote: Typing and reading are visually based. So it makes sense that those are a code is NOT that different than a language. if you must, you can interpret it as tones, and simply write out the tones on a piece of paper and decode them. which is espressly forbiden y the ARRL in code testing and not allowed by most VE teams wether arrl or not, even as an ADA acomodation Gravity |
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gravity wrote: BTW I note myone of my double majors was Physics and a phisists can the other major was underwater basketweaving? history Msater degrees In Geophysics and Byzatine studies, the sadly is the degree I have found most uslefull over the years working with sometimes for sometimes just around the Us govt Gravity |
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Msater degrees In Geophysics and Byzatine studies, the sadly is the
degree I have found most uslefull over the years working with sometimes for sometimes just around the Us govt that's quite impressive, must have cost you $100,000. you should not stoop to arguing with uneducated people. --... ...-- Gravity |
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an old friend wrote: gravity wrote: BTW I note myone of my double majors was Physics and a phisists can the other major was underwater basketweaving? history Liar. You don't even have a high school education. Msater degrees In Geophysics and Byzatine You can't even spell "Master's", much less have even thought about completing the coursework requirements, you lying moron. More Markie Bull****, the only thing you were working as in the government was a janitor! |
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More Markie Bull****, the only thing you were working as in the government was a janitor! janitors at the NSA have clearance. they probably get paid well. Gravity |
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You can't even spell "Master's", much less have even thought about
completing the coursework requirements it is suspicious since he misspelled Byzantine. i sometimes misspell technical terms, but i can still spell "engineering". Gravity |
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gravity wrote: More Markie Bull****, the only thing you were working as in the government was a janitor! janitors at the NSA have clearance. they probably get paid well. LOL!!!!!! |
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gravity wrote: You can't even spell "Master's", much less have even thought about completing the coursework requirements it is suspicious since he misspelled Byzantine. Yep. Markie is more interested in "Greek Style" then Medieval Greek Emperors. Here's a starting point for you, Markie the imbecile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine i sometimes misspell technical terms, but i can still spell "engineering". And he claims he isn't illiterate! Markie Morgan, idiot shatters the irony meter when he pegged it when it was suggested he take a remedial English course for his illiteracy in . com: "no illeteracy it is plain to see that" |
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gravity wrote: rare photo of the secretive "old friend". http://www.commondreams.org/headline...es/0628-01.jpg lol!!!!!!!!!! He's a real "James Bond"....not! |
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"G" - Don't Argue with a Donkey {Ass} - - - Why - - -
It does you no good and makes the Donkey Mad ! i have often been called a donkey ;-) ~ RHF |
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gravity wrote: Msater degrees In Geophysics and Byzatine studies, the sadly is the degree I have found most uslefull over the years working with sometimes for sometimes just around the Us govt that's quite impressive, must have cost you $100,000. are you kidding if it had I never would have been able to pay it Had a a full scholarship for 4 years of my undergrad the Gi Bill gracously paid for the rest of it you should not stoop to arguing with uneducated people. argueing no simply countering the dangerous sort of libel that builds up if not answered to under "if there is smoke there is fire" theory sinc e after Wismen worked himself into a frenzy abotu me resulting inhim posting some body else address and and the all the false claims he makes about resulted in some being beaten to a pulp just for sharing the name "Mark Morgan" I decided it was msitake not to adress such libel can't say I have worked out an espgood method but it imporeves withpractice --... ...-- Gravity |
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"gravity" wrote in message reenews.net... More Markie Bull****, the only thing you were working as in the government was a janitor! janitors at the NSA have clearance. they probably get paid well. Of all the techie things I could relate to, here's something I never thought would come up: I WAS a janitor at NSA. I was stationed there 1970-1972 as a Sailor and during my last 8 months, I worked as a janitor after hours to make enough money for the down payment on my first house. All the janitors needed to be cleared, which made us military folks shoo-ins for these jobs. The pay was OK for your average part time job. Nothing special, but I was happy for the $1800 I banked in less than a year. (5% of 33,000 used to get a family into a house. Not today.) My first wife still has that house and it's worth $700,000. |
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What's she worth??
Sal M. Onella wrote: "gravity" wrote in message reenews.net... More Markie Bull****, the only thing you were working as in the government was a janitor! janitors at the NSA have clearance. they probably get paid well. Of all the techie things I could relate to, here's something I never thought would come up: I WAS a janitor at NSA. I was stationed there 1970-1972 as a Sailor and during my last 8 months, I worked as a janitor after hours to make enough money for the down payment on my first house. All the janitors needed to be cleared, which made us military folks shoo-ins for these jobs. The pay was OK for your average part time job. Nothing special, but I was happy for the $1800 I banked in less than a year. (5% of 33,000 used to get a family into a house. Not today.) My first wife still has that house and it's worth $700,000. |
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"Dave" wrote in message . .. What's she worth?? Try offering two outfielders and a pitcher to be named later :-) Seriously, other than her half of the house (her current hubby got on the deed a few years ago for a re-fi), almost nothing. I divorced her in 1981 and traded away my half of the equity for no claim by her on my future earnings (meaning no spousal support and no splitting of my Navy retirement). She took a second to buy a business, which supported her, although she did not run it well and she took a loss when she sold it. I doubt she ever saved a penny. She draws a Social Security disability pension for several ailments, real or imagined. I fared better ;-) Sal M. Onella wrote: snip My first wife still has that house and it's worth $700,000. |
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