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Slow Code July 16th 06 04:27 AM

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 
John Barnard wrote in news:3C_tg.191877$IK3.72019@pd7tw1no:

J. D. B. wrote:
Well at least your estate will get to keep your life savings. If you
get sick late in the year, and the healthcare facility/hospital shut
down for the rest of the year because it ran out of government money (a
typical scenario in Canada), there will be no one to give you any care
and you'll just die.


You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be able
to handle reality.

But hey, your life savings will still be intact!
Is socialized health care great or what?


Provided you don't die while standing in line for the doctor.

SC

Slow Code July 16th 06 04:28 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and
various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The
best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also
has a second channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the
stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital
modes.


Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

Slow Code July 16th 06 04:28 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
"JOHN D" wrote in
news:gD2ug.2582$k31.2016@trnddc06:


"L is easy to remember. "to hell with it".

Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L"


I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+
years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks.
Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't
find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air.
If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter
projects.

I expect there are some technically competent people who might be
interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code.
John


They're not interested in being about to communicate in all ways
effectively, they just want to be phonies. They they could've stuck to CB
for that.



John Barnard July 16th 06 09:04 AM

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 
J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.


JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.


Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****), which means that it happens all the time. It
seems rather strange that none of this seems to make the headlines or news.

BTW, I overheard this while I was visiting in Toronto and witnessed an
accident: " Wow! The police and ambulance are much quicker here than in
Atlanta".

JB



dxAce July 16th 06 11:30 AM

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 


John Barnard wrote:

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.


JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.


Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****),


Are you certain that isn't Barnard ****?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



dxAce July 16th 06 02:22 PM

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 


John Barnard wrote:

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.


JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.


Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****), which means that it happens all the time. It
seems rather strange that none of this seems to make the headlines or news.


Maybe they just don't want you to know the truth? Not surprising, since the
government in CanaDuh woud fall if you ever discovered the truth.

BTW, I overheard this while I was visiting in Toronto and witnessed an
accident: " Wow! The police and ambulance are much quicker here than in
Atlanta".


Did the accident involve the police and the ambulance racing to the donut shop?
Maybe that's why they appeared to be quicker.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



J. D. B. July 16th 06 02:48 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good Riddance.

Slow Code wrote:

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC


an old freind July 16th 06 05:03 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good Riddance.


not the majority prehaps it is the will of and judgement of those that
are supposed to serve the bets interest of the people

the best interest of the people are served but ending code testing and
the code culture that has dominated it and sent it on a downword slide

not certain we can fix it with NOCode but it will be easier to try
Slow Code wrote:

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC



Alun L. Palmer July 16th 06 06:15 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

Dee, you can disagree all you want. The fact is that the world is
moving on and away from CW testing. Not the mode, but the testing
requirement.
It is just outdated and not necessary. If you want to learn it and
then use it, great. The time has come to stop forcing an old mode onto
people. We can debate the merits of CW all day. In 200 years, no one
will be using it. It will die a natural death like all languages
because the world evolves. Better things come along. And like many
humans, you are resisting change because people hate change. But
change is inevitable. You cannot stop this change and it is a change
for the better even if you won't admit it. History will show the only
way to save the Amateur Radio Service and help its growth is to evolve
and change. Out with the old and in with the new. Those that won't
evolve will fade from the earth just like stone-age man. Good bye CW
testing requirement. Your departure is long, long overdue.

Dee Flint wrote:


Again I disagree. That analogy is not really valid. A better one
would be comparing it to driving an automobile with a stick shift. I
personally feel that every one who drives should be required to know
how to drive a stick. They often get better mileage than automatics as
an experienced driver can do a better job of selecting the shift point
than a mere gadget. More people might select stick shifts if only
they knew how to drive one.

Dee, N8UZE




As it happens, I do think people should have to learn on a stick shift, but
I don't support code testing. If you can't drive a stick shift, you can't
drive my car, as every car I've had has had a stick shift and so will every
car I buy in future. OTOH, every rig I've bought has come with a mic, and
none of them came with a key. Now, I know you can get some QRP rigs that
are CW only.

The point is, there is a very real chance that it may be necessary to drive
someone else's car in an emergency, or even just to help out. What happens
when you need to get someone to the emergency room and the only car
available is a stick shift? It's no good saying that statistically manual
shifts are declining in sales, as there are plenty of us who will never buy
an automatic.

OK, maybe you can say that you don't own a mic, and all the rigs in your
shack are hooked up to a key (good luck on the local repeater!). What then
is the realistic scenario where I will have to use one of your radios to
save the world? (or even to save the next door neighbour) Doesn't seem to
likely, does it?

Dave Platt July 16th 06 06:24 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

In article ,
Jim Higgins wrote:

I think everyone should be tested on use of RTTY and PSK modes as a
condition of receiving a license.


Ability to copy by ear, ability to create high-quality modulation by
whistling, or both?

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Al Klein July 16th 06 07:04 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:00 GMT, (Hymie)
wrote:

Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"


Even those who tout digital modes - they want to buy an interface and
software and "be" on digital. Then they wonder why the signal they're
hearing, that sounds just like the digital mode they use, doesn't work
on their setup. Maybe because a PSK program won't decode SSTV?

Reminds me of the GPRS "exerts" who can't understand why changing the
"code" on their radios doesn't eliminate the interference from the guy
next door.

The anti-CW crowd wants no code and a written test you can memorize
the answers to. It's their "right" to be on the air, isn't it? Even
if they need 2 more clues to be totally clueless?

an_old_friend July 16th 06 07:26 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:00 GMT, (Hymie)
wrote:

Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"


Even those who tout digital modes - they want to buy an interface and
software and "be" on digital. Then they wonder why the signal they're
hearing, that sounds just like the digital mode they use, doesn't work
on their setup. Maybe because a PSK program won't decode SSTV?


learn what you are tlaking about psk31 sounds very little like sstv and
most of the programs that can demolate it show you a spectrograhand
they look nothing alike

there is some time confusion in wether that sgnal BPSK 31 or QPSK31 but
the marvels of Windows wallo me to run the output of the sound card
interface to at least 2 program so it can be worked out

you just want to bash any ham that doesnot follow your morse fetish

Reminds me of the GPRS "exerts" who can't understand why changing the
"code" on their radios doesn't eliminate the interference from the guy
next door.

The anti-CW crowd wants no code and a written test you can memorize
the answers to. It's their "right" to be on the air, isn't it? Even
if they need 2 more clues to be totally clueless?

it is our right and everybody else right that any restriction to our
access to public spectrum be "neccisary and proper" (one of 3 clauses
in the constitution that give the power to regulate the airwave to the
govet at all) otherwise the 10 reserving all right and power to the
sates or the people applies modifing that is the thrid place where the
consititution of US touches on this issue mby making the constitution
and the TREATIES made the supreme law of the land

according the Govt lost the POWER to impose Morse Code test on the ARS
unless it can be justified under some other powere of the Constitution

I find it interesting that the ProCode tes crowd has such disrespect
for that document


Bob Miller July 16th 06 08:45 PM

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 
On 13 Jul 2006 23:46:59 -0700, "RHF"
wrote:


Reg Edwards wrote:
As For Me - I Was Born In The USA -and-
I Am Proud To Be An American ! ~ RHF

====================================

- You are proud to be a US Citizen.
-
- Canadans, Cubans, Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Chileans,
- etc., are also Americans. The name has been high-jacked.

RE,

The Mexicans just may refer to themselves as : Norte Amercanos
-or- Americanos del Norte
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estados...a_Am%C3%A9rica

The Cubans might call themselves : Americanos de Cuba.

Seriously NO Canadian would call themselves an : American [.]
- - - Even the French Canadians would say : Je Suis Un Canadien !

And the Argentinians, Chileans would most likely call themselves :
Sur Americanos -or- Americanos del Sur -or- Americanos Latinos

The Brazilians being slightly different would say : Americanos Sul

Only an American (USA) would Boldly Say :
I Am An American ! - and I Am Proud of It !
and so say i ~ RHF
.
.
. .


Runaway nationalism has its problems.

bob
k5qwg

jawod July 17th 06 02:44 AM

OT: Outsourcing
 
Slow Code wrote:
"RHF" wrote in
ups.com:


JB - Spoken like a True Red and White
{Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF
.
.
. .




Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red.

slow code is lo-co

an_old_friend July 17th 06 03:00 AM

OT: Outsourcing
 

jawod wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
"RHF" wrote in
ups.com:


JB - Spoken like a True Red and White
{Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF
.
.
. .




Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red.

slow code is lo-co

yea he canada arabs jews it seems, Ham radio, republicans and democrats

anybody he doesn't hate


jawod July 17th 06 03:24 AM

(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
 
J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone old
alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be able
to handle reality.



JB

Oh Brother!
Reality check time: Why don't YOU read a bit about Medicare D?
Aging baby boomers are about to be screwed in ways they couldn't even
imagine.

Insurance companies entirely control Congressional debate and actually
write the rules. Most of Congress doesn't even READ what they're
signing on to.

O'Reilly, is that you?

jawod July 17th 06 03:27 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
dxAce wrote:

Smokey wrote:


If you want easy...and most of the CW whiners do...why don't you just hook
your laptop up to your DSL line and stay the hell off the air?

Jeez, you've got a pathetic joke for an exam now with canned questions to
memorize and no code to learn. Too bad you're not still in your mother's
womb so you don't have to feed yourselves. Though you have deluded
yourselves into believing you are "hams," you are hardly believable when you
wear that title. The only reason you have been able to slip through into the
dumbed-down requirements and some sort of fcc "license" sham is because your
appliance manufacturers that make your rigs and the charlatans like the arrl
are selling out the hobby so they can sell you things.

It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and you no-coder idiots have fallen for it.

As for traditional, genuine "hams, we may be from the "Stone Age," but once
the dinosauers became extinct the pristine landscape took on pollution and
overcrowding. You simpletons have all drank the Kool-Aid and cannot see that
you are parties to the eventual elimination of ham radio.

Thank God for "stone age hams," for at least there is someone still around
that knows something about the avocation.



Amen.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



"J. D. B." wrote in message
...

John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and
various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The
best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also
has a second channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the
stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes.

MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can
use. MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many
capabilities in the program.

Move on and start having fun.

JDB

JOHN D wrote:


I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+


years

cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks.
Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't


find

anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air.
If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter
projects.

I expect there are some technically competent people who might be


interested

in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code.
John




Lighten up. There's room for everyone. I love CW but I have no
illusions about it's ultimate capabilities. It's just FUN!
Looking forward to experimenting with digital, too. I'd do more SSB if
only I knew what to say. hihi

John
AB8WH

jakdedert July 17th 06 05:55 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:49:00 GMT, (Hymie)
wrote:

Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different
situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd
wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode"


Even those who tout digital modes - they want to buy an interface and
software and "be" on digital. Then they wonder why the signal they're
hearing, that sounds just like the digital mode they use, doesn't work
on their setup. Maybe because a PSK program won't decode SSTV?

Reminds me of the GPRS "exerts" who can't understand why changing the
"code" on their radios doesn't eliminate the interference from the guy
next door.

The anti-CW crowd wants no code and a written test you can memorize
the answers to. It's their "right" to be on the air, isn't it? Even
if they need 2 more clues to be totally clueless?

There's a world of difference between technical electronics knowledge
and ability to decipher code. One has absolutely nothing to do with the
other. FWIW, I don't even have a ham license anymore. I don't care
about the code, whether it lives or dies. If you enjoy brass pounding,
then do it.

Just don't equate that ability with another that is not even slightly
related.

jak


Slow Code July 18th 06 01:05 AM

Eliminating CW will just give retards HF, it won't modernize the service.
 

Proof:


"an_old_friend" wrote in
ups.com:

it is our right and everybody else right that any restriction to our
access to public spectrum be "neccisary and proper" (one of 3 clauses
in the constitution that give the power to regulate the airwave to the
govet at all) otherwise the 10 reserving all right and power to the
sates or the people applies modifing that is the thrid place where the
consititution of US touches on this issue mby making the constitution
and the TREATIES made the supreme law of the land

according the Govt lost the POWER to impose Morse Code test on the ARS
unless it can be justified under some other powere of the Constitution

I find it interesting that the ProCode tes crowd has such disrespect
for that document



Slow Code July 18th 06 01:05 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
"J. D. B." wrote in
:

Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good
Riddance.


Spoken like a true appliance operator.


If there is any crying and whining after CW is gone, it will be by phonies
wondering why their bands sound like CB.

SC

Slow Code July 18th 06 01:05 AM

OT: Outsourcing
 
jawod wrote in :

Slow Code wrote:
"RHF" wrote in
ups.com:


JB - Spoken like a True Red and White
{Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF
.
.
. .




Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red.

slow code is lo-co



LOL, Good one jawod. Did you come up with that all by yourself
or did you have to copy & paste one of Markie's spelling mistakes.

SC

an old friend July 18th 06 01:14 AM

OT: Outsourcing
 

Slow Code wrote:
jawod wrote in :
slow code is lo-co



LOL, Good one jawod. Did you come up with that all by yourself
or did you have to copy & paste one of Markie's spelling mistakes.

you are loco

SC



Al Klein July 18th 06 01:26 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:55:28 -0500, jakdedert
wrote:

There's a world of difference between technical electronics knowledge
and ability to decipher code.


Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.

FWIW, I don't even have a ham license anymore.


Then, as the courts would say, you have no standing in the matter.

an old freind July 18th 06 01:31 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:55:28 -0500, jakdedert
wrote:

There's a world of difference between technical electronics knowledge
and ability to decipher code.


Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.

whta is needed and why?

FWIW, I don't even have a ham license anymore.


Then, as the courts would say, you have no standing in the matter.


nope he has full standing he is an american that means the FCC is
suposed serve not the ARS but the people of the USA.

the problem with you procoders is that you think the ARS owns the
bandwidth not the poeple of the USA


jakdedert July 18th 06 01:40 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:55:28 -0500, jakdedert
wrote:

There's a world of difference between technical electronics knowledge
and ability to decipher code.


Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.

FWIW, I don't even have a ham license anymore.


Then, as the courts would say, you have no standing in the matter.

Ahh...but I did, once, at 15 years old; and I've picked up a fair amount
of electronics knowledge as well...proving that one has little to do
with the other.

jak


an old freind July 18th 06 01:45 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

jakdedert wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:55:28 -0500, jakdedert
wrote:

There's a world of difference between technical electronics knowledge
and ability to decipher code.


Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.

FWIW, I don't even have a ham license anymore.


Then, as the courts would say, you have no standing in the matter.

Ahh...but I did, once, at 15 years old; and I've picked up a fair amount
of electronics knowledge as well...proving that one has little to do
with the other.

you still do don't let this bozo tell you otherwise (unless you are an
ilgeal alien or something)

jak



Cecil Moore July 18th 06 02:41 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Al Klein wrote:
Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.


The Morse code exam is a test of the ability to memorize.
No knowledge of electronics required.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Al Klein July 18th 06 03:53 AM

Eliminating CW will just give retards HF, it won't modernize the service.
 
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:05:08 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

"an_old_friend" wrote in
oups.com:


according the Govt lost the POWER to impose Morse Code test on the ARS
unless it can be justified under some other powere of the Constitution


I find it interesting that the ProCode tes crowd has such disrespect
for that document


Proof:


You actually expected him to be able to differentiate between "has the
power to" and "is forced to"?

an old freind July 18th 06 03:58 AM

Eliminating CW is just the lying of those afraid of change
 

Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:05:08 GMT, Slow Code wrote:

"an_old_friend" wrote in
oups.com:


according the Govt lost the POWER to impose Morse Code test on the ARS
unless it can be justified under some other powere of the Constitution


I find it interesting that the ProCode tes crowd has such disrespect
for that document


Proof:


You actually expected him to be able to differentiate between "has the
power to" and "is forced to"?

the Govt lacks the power to test anymore if chalanced it it only had
the power while it was forced by the treaty


Al Klein July 18th 06 03:59 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:40:52 -0500, jakdedert
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:


Then, as the courts would say, you have no standing in the matter.


Ahh...but I did, once


But you don't now, and it's now now, it's not once.

proving that one has little to do with the other.


And that you have little to do with this conversation.

Al Klein July 18th 06 04:01 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:41:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.


The Morse code exam is a test of the ability to memorize.
No knowledge of electronics required.


For most people, he written test is also a test of the ability to
memorize. Just show most hams licensed in the past 10 years a
schematic and ask them to find a component by function. "Knowledge of
electronics"? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

an old feind July 18th 06 04:12 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
Al Klein wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:41:29 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.


The Morse code exam is a test of the ability to memorize.
No knowledge of electronics required.


For most people, he written test is also a test of the ability to
memorize.

when did the test aquire gender
Just show most hams licensed in the past 10 years a
schematic and ask them to find a component by function.

I can even my wife who frankly does not the why ofof it can tel the
component
"Knowledge of
electronics"? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

if you are that depressed about give it up

go fishing but please trying to killthe ARS with your bile


Cecil Moore July 18th 06 04:14 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Al Klein wrote:
For most people, he written test is also a test of the ability to
memorize. Just show most hams licensed in the past 10 years a
schematic and ask them to find a component by function. "Knowledge of
electronics"? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.


In 1953, as a sophomore in high school, I didn't know any
electronics and was therefore forced to memorize the ARRL
License Manual in order to get my Conditional license.
People like me have been memorizing License Manuals for
more than half a century.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

an old freind July 18th 06 04:40 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
For most people, he written test is also a test of the ability to
memorize. Just show most hams licensed in the past 10 years a
schematic and ask them to find a component by function. "Knowledge of
electronics"? It would be funny if it weren't so sad.


In 1953, as a sophomore in high school, I didn't know any
electronics and was therefore forced to memorize the ARRL
License Manual in order to get my Conditional license.
People like me have been memorizing License Manuals for
more than half a century.

at the risk of seeming foolish but the answer will make a point here I
think tyour license did PRECEED your becoming an EE didn't it, by some
many years
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



David G. Nagel July 18th 06 04:48 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote:

Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.



The Morse code exam is a test of the ability to memorize.
No knowledge of electronics required.



Rules and regulations are just an exercise in memorization also. They
require no knowledge of electronics either.

The CW text requirement is like the requirement for a foreign language
requirement for some college degrees, it rounds out the amateur skills.

Dave WD9BDZ

an old freind July 18th 06 05:02 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

David G. Nagel wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Al Klein wrote:

Considering that someone with absolutely no knowledge of electronics
can memorize enough to pass the test in about 8 hours, there's no
longer any real test of anything but the ability to memorize.



The Morse code exam is a test of the ability to memorize.
No knowledge of electronics required.



Rules and regulations are just an exercise in memorization also. They
require no knowledge of electronics either.

The CW text requirement is like the requirement for a foreign language
requirement for some college degrees, it rounds out the amateur skills.

an improvement over the drivel most of the procoders are posting
although the analogy streches a bit if I ask what college in the wolrd
has a requirement for one foreign lang and only one

did you submit it in your coments to the FCC?

all in all not bad

Dave WD9BDZ



[email protected] July 18th 06 12:28 PM

OT: Outsourcing
 

an old friend wrote:
Slow Code wrote:
jawod wrote in :
slow code is lo-co



LOL, Good one jawod. Did you come up with that all by yourself
or did you have to copy & paste one of Markie's spelling mistakes.

you are loco


PKB, retard.


Cecil Moore July 18th 06 12:54 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
an old freind wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
In 1953, as a sophomore in high school, I didn't know any
electronics and was therefore forced to memorize the ARRL
License Manual in order to get my Conditional license.
People like me have been memorizing License Manuals for
more than half a century.


at the risk of seeming foolish but the answer will make a point here I
think your license did PRECEED your becoming an EE didn't it, by some
many years


My amateur radio license, obtaining by memorizing the ARRL
License Manual in 1952-1953, was the catalyst that caused
me to seek and obtain a EE degree later in 1959.

The point is that an amateur radio license is a learner's
permit to exercise certain privileges during a lifetime
of learning. It is a permit, not a graduation certificate.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Cecil Moore July 18th 06 01:00 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
David G. Nagel wrote:
The CW text requirement is like the requirement for a foreign language
requirement for some college degrees, ...


I carefully avoided any foreign language
requirement for my BS EE.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

an old freind July 18th 06 07:13 PM

OT: Outsourcing
 

wrote:
get help sicko
PKB, retard.

althought I was temted to recyve your own there just this once wismen



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