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dxAce June 19th 06 01:15 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we cancommunicatewith other.
 


"J. D. B." wrote:

Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a
bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use
CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be
silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago.


Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



an old freind June 19th 06 03:39 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

dxAce wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote:

Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a
bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I use
CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be
silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago.


Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.

why?

and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting
the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code
fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't

dxAce
Michigan
USA



gravity June 19th 06 04:12 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"an old freind" wrote in message
oups.com...

dxAce wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote:

Not quite. Testing on rules, regulations and technical knowledge is a
bit different than testing on one specific mode of communication. I

use
CW, but considered the continued archaic CW testing requirement to be
silly and outdated. It should have been dropped 30 years ago.


Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.

why?

and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting
the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code
fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't

dxAce
Michigan
USA



5 WPM is easy. esp if you use Farnsworth.

i'm at 18 WPM, and i can copy contest exchanges at 30 WPM. i haven't made a
CW QSO in 10 years!

i think the code requirement should be 13 WPM plus for the upper classes.
keeps the riff raff out.

Gravity



an old freind June 19th 06 04:30 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

gravity wrote:
"an old freind" wrote in message
oups.com...


and it isn't a matter f "deserving" alicense at all is about meeting
the legal mandaable requirement and now absent the treaty the code
fails to make the standards of law and the FCC knows even if you don't

dxAce
Michigan
USA



5 WPM is easy. esp if you use Farnsworth.


easy for you

not for me

I spent 5 years in my teens taking a test every couple of weeks towrds
the end. I did get so I might pass either the sending or receiving on a
given day but never both

guess from that data I suspect isf I had the time and schedule I could
mange to pass a receiving or better still a sending test in roughly a
year bt I don't my schedule leaves very busy eroids and very slow
eriods

but all this is beside the point
nothing in the treaty give the USA the requirement to make such a test
and nothing in the consitiotn reglates the matter so the power to use
hf specturm is resvresed byt eh 10th amend to the states or the people
themselves (para the constititon

unless the power to impose a code test can be shown to exist in other
section such preahps shwoing that it is "nessacary and proper" an
arguement that could have been made say when the miltary needed to warn
us of freqs they were suing in cw or some other argument, the FCC and
th congress lack the legeal power to maintain the test if challanged,
an expensive and unpleasent task

i think the code requirement should be 13 WPM plus for the upper classes.
keeps the riff raff out.

but it did not keep the riffraf out as the folks listeningt o 80 m have
known since long before the last change

Gravity



Sal M. Onella June 20th 06 05:19 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.


That's needlessly insulting.



Sal M. Onella June 20th 06 05:22 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"gravity" wrote in message news:4496bf14$0$14238

5 WPM is easy.


Nonsense.

Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but steer
clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't do it.



an_old_friend June 20th 06 05:34 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Sal M. Onella wrote:
"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Anybody who can't pass the minimal 5 WPM doesn't deserve a license.


That's needlessly insulting.

well the is DX ace for you never be just rude whenyou can be insulting


gravity June 20th 06 02:38 PM

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jesus, let's just do away with the written test *and* the CW test. let's
just open the doors to anyone. we'll set up a webpage at the ARRL site, and
you'll just point and click. it will be as easy as becoming a Reverend.

you could license your dog, a terrorist, anyone.

honestly, i am very glad there are minimum requirements. this keeps out
people who are not serious about the hobby. people who don't know what they
are doing should not be transmitting (esp on HF).

this whole CW debate is what we call the dumbing down of America.

i mean we have minimum standards for driving in America or becoming a
citizen, why is ham radio so different?

Gravity



gravity June 20th 06 02:40 PM

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"Dave" wrote in message
. ..
I'll top post again for brevity and getting to the point.

I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this.

Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the

changes
will be positive.


i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the written
test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be kept out of
the HF spectrum.

Gravity

Dave wrote:

5 WPM is do-able! My 4 1/2 year granddaughter copies 5 wpm! Her 10 year
old brother, who learned it in Cub Scouts, taught her. And, she can't
even spell yet! But, she knows the alphabet from watching TV.

Some people have DIFFICULTY learning Morse Code, real difficulty!


MAJOR SNIPPING from here down.




Cecil Moore June 20th 06 03:01 PM

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gravity wrote:
i mean we have minimum standards for driving in America or becoming a
citizen, why is ham radio so different?


When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test
was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do
you think that should still be a requirement?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Cecil Moore June 20th 06 03:03 PM

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gravity wrote:
i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the written
test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be kept out of
the HF spectrum.


How about just requiring a scientific/technical
degree from an accredited university?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Dave June 20th 06 03:38 PM

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SNIPPED

Poor Markie, so bitter that kids can pass morse code tests and he is
too stupid to pass one.


NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.

I said some people have difficulty learning or learning one particular subject.

It is reported that Albert Einstein had difficulty learning Calculus. The man
was a Physics genius but needed help with advanced math.

I hold a degree in engineering and have completed four years of seminary, but I
have not been able to learn conversational SPANISH. [About two years after
ordination the Cardinal requested that I learn Spanish at the seminary . After
two months the instructor approved my withdrawal from the class. I could learn
vocabulary, how to read, write and the grammar for spanish, but my ear does not
hear spanish. Total immersion in a Spanish speaking community would be the way
for me to learn.]

I still say, anyone who can learn an/the alphabet can learn Morse Code. For
those with difficulty, the solution to the issue is teaching METHODs not the
student's difficulty. Any alphabet is recognizing sound patterns. Words are
simply combinations of sound patterns.

For 'an_old_friend' I would begin by teaching an alphabet of SOUND PATTERNS. No
requirement for speed. Just focus on sound patterns. Keep it very simple. Each
two hour lesson would focus on no more than 7 letters until well heard. Then
move to SOUND PATTERNS that are close to or similar to those [s]he has learned
and is mastering. [Example: learn the sound patterns for 'A', 'W', and 'J'
repeat until they are instantly recognized. Then move on to 'N' 'D', 'B', etc.
Don't count 'dots' or 'dashes' but hear sound patterns.]

The next two hour session, one week later, would begin with a review then add
'T, M, O' followed by 'E, I, S, H'. Drill sound patterns. Then end the session
by sending simple words using the 1/2 of the alphabet that has been studied.
Speed is NOT a requirement! Accuracy is! If Farnsworth timing at 18 wpm is a
roadblock, then change practice timing to 13 wpm or 10 wpm or 7 1/2 wpm or 5 wpm
or 3 wpm. SPEED is NOT a REQUIREMENT! Accuracy is!

The next two weeks complete the alphabet. Week five would include the numbers
and common punctuation. [5 sound character patterns and 6 sound character patterns].

Having said all this, my defense of CW is not any legal requirement. It is
simply the best way to work rare DX. Much less power required. Much less
bandwidth required. Much more discernible [copyable] in a pile. And, it is fun!

/s/ DD, W1MCE



gravity June 20th 06 03:50 PM

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It is reported that Albert Einstein had difficulty learning Calculus. The
man
was a Physics genius but needed help with advanced math.


it was differential geometry that Einstein was unfamiliar with. when
formulating relativity, he realized that he needed tools that he was not
familiar with. so he went to a mathematician friend and learned which tools
he needed.

please understand this in the context of 1912. differential geometry was
fairly new back then, i believe it came from Riemann.

it's possible for some branches of math and physics to be relatively arcane.
for instance, de Borges attempted proofs use operator theory. most
mathematics students cannot read his papers. in fact, most professional
mathematicians can't read them either. the only reason that de Borges proof
of Bieberbach became accepted is that it was rewritten by other Europeans.

it's not uncommon for a theoretical physicist to have to learn a new branch
of math to solve a problem. for instance, string theorists working on the
landscape turned to statistics.

Gravity



an old freind June 20th 06 03:53 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

Dave wrote:
SNIPPED

Poor Markie, so bitter that kids can pass morse code tests and he is
too stupid to pass one.


NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.

Wismen labels everybody except himself of course

I still say, anyone who can learn an/the alphabet can learn Morse Code. For
those with difficulty, the solution to the issue is teaching METHODs not the
student's difficulty. Any alphabet is recognizing sound patterns. Words are
simply combinations of sound patterns.

For 'an_old_friend' I would begin by teaching an alphabet of SOUND PATTERNS. No
requirement for speed. Just focus on sound patterns. Keep it very simple. Each
two hour lesson would focus on no more than 7 letters until well heard. Then
move to SOUND PATTERNS that are close to or similar to those [s]he has learned
and is mastering. [Example: learn the sound patterns for 'A', 'W', and 'J'
repeat until they are instantly recognized. Then move on to 'N' 'D', 'B', etc.
Don't count 'dots' or 'dashes' but hear sound patterns.]

prehaps you are trying to be helpfull

you are coming off insulting and condesnding
that metodalogy was tried and my ears lose the older set of patterns
in a few day before I get a hold of the next set


Having said all this, my defense of CW is not any legal requirement. It is
simply the best way to work rare DX. Much less power required. Much less
bandwidth required. Much more discernible [copyable] in a pile. And, it is fun!


fun for you the migraine headaches I get listening to any of it is not
fun none enjoys pain on that level

yes I might be ableto learn well enough now with only a receive or
tranmited test (and if I were going to try it would be to send) so I
don't have to listen to it

you have fun with fine go for it
Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the
ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do
something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it

I expect the same however for myself

/s/ DD, W1MCE



gravity June 20th 06 04:02 PM

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It is reported that Albert Einstein had difficulty learning Calculus. The
man
was a Physics genius but needed help with advanced math.


relativity utilizes tensor calculus, which is a few semesters beyond the
basic integral calculus taught to many college students. even today,
relativity is viewed as fairly knotty. general relativity really isn't
tackled until graduate school.

it's my understanding that Einstein was very good at math. to be a lowly
patent clerk and revolutionize physics requires real skill.

what is advanced math? multivariable calculus and ordinary differential
equations are viewed as advanced by the general population, however millions
of people have learned the basics of these. in contrast, there are papers
in number theory that can only be a read by a dozen people on the planet.

it's partially due to our own limitations as humans.

Gravity



gravity June 20th 06 04:36 PM

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you have fun with fine go for it
Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the
ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do
something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it


nonproductive? yet somehow saying "get help" 1000 times is a valuable use
of time?

Gravity


I expect the same however for myself

/s/ DD, W1MCE





an old freind June 20th 06 04:40 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

gravity wrote:
you have fun with fine go for it
Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the
ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do
something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it


nonproductive?

yes non productive
yet somehow saying "get help" 1000 times is a valuable use
of time?

not in and of itself

but to bury the filth posted about me yes it is and it takes very
little time indeed I have the process almost automated

Gravity



[email protected] June 20th 06 07:36 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

an old freind wrote:
Dave wrote:
SNIPPED

Poor Markie, so bitter that kids can pass morse code tests and he is
too stupid to pass one.


NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.


It's obvious that Markie is a retard.

Wismen labels everybody except himself of course


Marky labels everybody Wismen since he is so ****ing stupid and sees
Wismen everywhere!


I still say, anyone who can learn an/the alphabet can learn Morse Code. For
those with difficulty, the solution to the issue is teaching METHODs not the
student's difficulty. Any alphabet is recognizing sound patterns. Words are
simply combinations of sound patterns.



Just look at Markie's posts, He can't learn the alphabet.
He can't post in anything resembling English.


For 'an_old_friend' I would begin by teaching an alphabet of SOUND PATTERNS. No
requirement for speed. Just focus on sound patterns. Keep it very simple. Each
two hour lesson would focus on no more than 7 letters until well heard. Then
move to SOUND PATTERNS that are close to or similar to those [s]he has learned
and is mastering. [Example: learn the sound patterns for 'A', 'W', and 'J'
repeat until they are instantly recognized. Then move on to 'N' 'D', 'B', etc.
Don't count 'dots' or 'dashes' but hear sound patterns.]

prehaps you are trying to be helpfull

you are coming off insulting and condesnding
that metodalogy was tried and my ears lose the older set of patterns
in a few day before I get a hold of the next set



Face it, you are too stupid to learn morse code.


Having said all this, my defense of CW is not any legal requirement. It is
simply the best way to work rare DX. Much less power required. Much less
bandwidth required. Much more discernible [copyable] in a pile. And, it is fun!


fun for you the migraine headaches I get listening to any of it is not
fun none enjoys pain on that level


You have nothing in your empty skull to give you headaches, Markie!

yes I might be ableto learn well enough now with only a receive or
tranmited test (and if I were going to try it would be to send) so I
don't have to listen to it

you have fun with fine go for it
Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the
ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do
something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it

I expect the same however for myself


More excuses, loser?


[email protected] June 20th 06 07:38 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

an old freind wrote:
gravity wrote:
you have fun with fine go for it
Bear in mind I think Mose and esp the attiudes around are bad for the
ARS but I support your freedom to disagree and even to just do
something I consider nonproducitve just for sheer joy of it


nonproductive?

yes non productive


Only because you are too stupid and lazy to learn it.

yet somehow saying "get help" 1000 times is a valuable use
of time?

not in and of itself

but to bury the filth posted about me yes it is and it takes very
little time indeed I have the process almost automated


Markie comes up with a rationalization of his spamming. Too bad it's
like him, seriously flawed.


an old friend June 20th 06 08:33 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

wrote:
an old freind wrote:
Dave wrote:
SNIPPED


Wismen labels everybody except himself of course


Marky labels everybody Wismen since he is so ****ing stupid and sees
Wismen everywhere!

wismen lying some more


I still say, anyone who can learn an/the alphabet can learn Morse Code. For
those with difficulty, the solution to the issue is teaching METHODs not the
student's difficulty. Any alphabet is recognizing sound patterns. Words are
simply combinations of sound patterns.



Just look at Markie's posts, He can't learn the alphabet.
He can't post in anything resembling English.

which means you must agree I can't learn morse and the poster is in
error thank yopu
now run along and get help you little troll


Slow Code June 21st 06 12:47 AM

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"Sal M. Onella" wrote in
news:IJKlg.105$lv.102@fed1read12:


"gravity" wrote in message
news:4496bf14$0$14238

5 WPM is easy.


Nonsense.

Tell us you can do it --- tell us your mangy hound dog can do it, but
steer clear of the blanket statements. It isn't easy to one who can't
do it.



When code goes away, you're going to be the one that tells us the written
is too hard.

sc

Slow Code June 21st 06 12:47 AM

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Cecil Moore wrote in
.com:

gravity wrote:
i have an idea. get rid of the CW and triple the difficulty of the
written test. there is certain element of society, which needs to be
kept out of the HF spectrum.


How about just requiring a scientific/technical
degree from an accredited university?


That's kind of funny but you know, I could actually agree to that. An EE
degree gets you a licence. You're certainly qualified. :-)

SC

Bill Turner June 21st 06 02:16 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:42:03 -0400, Dave wrote:


I like CW! It is most likely going away as a requirement. I'm sad at this.

Amateur radio will change as a result. Everything changes. Hopefully the changes
will be positive.


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Don't be sad my friend. CW will survive if people find it useful, and
especially if the diehards will stop jamming it down people's throats.

News flash: People don't like that with CW or anything else! :-)

73, Bill W6WRT
20 wpm extra, licensed 49 yrs


Bill Turner June 21st 06 02:18 AM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:01:14 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test
was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do
you think that should still be a requirement?


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Of course not. Today's driving test should require making a left turn
while dialing a cell phone and sipping a Starbucks.

Bill, W6WRT


Bill Turner June 21st 06 02:20 AM

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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:38:49 -0400, Dave wrote:


NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Not true at all. For example I can label you as a Politically Correct,
Warm-n-Fuzzy far leftist and be right on the money.

Labels have their place.

Bill, W6WRT


Noon-Air June 21st 06 04:48 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:01:14 GMT, Cecil Moore
wrote:

When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test
was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do
you think that should still be a requirement?


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Of course not. Today's driving test should require making a left turn
while dialing a cell phone and sipping a Starbucks.

and talking on the radio and shifting a manual transmission all at the same
time.

:-)




Sal M. Onella June 21st 06 05:53 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"pltrgyst" wrote in message
...

Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the
remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character.


Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch
into the problem.
Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or
dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to
accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries --
all failures, all mine.

From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on me.
You could stand to learn a
little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than
dah-dit-dah any day.



Sal M. Onella June 21st 06 05:53 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"Slow Code" wrote in message
nk.net...



When code goes away, you're going to be the one that tells us the written
is too hard.



You wish! Of the 55 questions on my Technician License exam,
I missed one. ONE!

Technically, I'm an above average ham. Through your dirty goggles,
however,
you see me as some kind of slug because I can't do code. So wrong.

Because I already hit the twit filter on you, I won't see any reply you
send, so
play it up any way you want.



gravity June 21st 06 03:19 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
news:5h4mg.138$lv.13@fed1read12...

"pltrgyst" wrote in message
...

Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the
remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character.


Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch
into the problem.
Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or
dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to
accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries --
all failures, all mine.

From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on

me.
You could stand to learn a
little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than
dah-dit-dah any day.



should we get rid of the written test because people can't learn decibels
and basic algebra?

perhaps the CW test could have a question pool similar to the written. you
could memorize all the answers. i am actually dead serious. or standardize
the test so that the output is always like a QSO in super morse. there are
ways to make the test easier.

hmm, or we could have an option that you can view the CW in a spectrogram
and decode it visually.

Gravity



June 21st 06 06:00 PM

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In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Cecil Moore wrote:
: When I got my driver's license in 1952, the driving test
: was required to be taken on a stick shift vehicle. Do
: you think that should still be a requirement?

Yes.
--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC

Come and join us here in Bloomington, Minnesota, home of the Mall of
America, July 27 & 28, 2006 for the 40th annual Central States VHF
Society Conference which will be hosted once again by the NLRS.

Dave June 21st 06 06:45 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Bill you are 100% wrong!

I am a right wing Republican, socially conservative, I attempt to be morally
correct [that makes me politically incorrect quite often], and Conservative
Christian [Clergyman]. I favor a very strong military [prior to my retirement
from engineering, I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].

I believe the USA Constitution must be read and understood in the social context
in which it was written. Changes should be by amendment not judicial agenda.

/s/ Rev. Dave , AKA W1MCE

See, labels can be 100% incorrect when you don't know the other person's life story.

Bill Turner wrote:

ORIGINAL MESSAGE:

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:38:49 -0400, Dave wrote:



NO! Don't label another person! It is wrong to label! Particularly when you do
not know any of his/her life's circumstances.



*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

Not true at all. For example I can label you as a Politically Correct,
Warm-n-Fuzzy far leftist and be right on the money.

Labels have their place.

Bill, W6WRT



notbob June 21st 06 07:03 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
On 2006-06-21, Dave wrote:

I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].


You bragging or complaining?

nb

Dr. Noonian Soong June 21st 06 07:18 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
darpa dave wrote:

I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].


MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod!

Soong



Jozef June 21st 06 07:40 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
Hi there.

Just a quick thought. I will not jump into the code vs. no-code fray. That
said, I'd like to pass on an experience I had with a college professor
friend of mine many years ago, now passed (Doc Bronfield WA2SMW). I learned
CW at the age of 9 using flashing light. Now age 57. Got my novice at age 14
and general at age 15. The extra came easy as did 30 wpm plus CW. Not so
with my friend Doc. He tried and tried, and then we realized that he had
aural dyslexia. So I had an idea. With the help of local engineering types.
They built a keyer that could sent different frequencies slightly for the
dits and dahs. That was what he needed to get his code speed up and pass the
general using the keyer during a FCC test. Here's what I believe should
happen with CW. When I passed my extra there were no extra class operating
privileges issued, but the FCC issued a nice Extra class certificate for the
accomplishment (which I still have). I suggest we leave the 5 wpm code
requirement in place as it now is, but go back to issuing the 20 wpm
certificate by VE's. That would, perhaps, satisfy, the pro-code folk? It
would reward the accomplishment without necessarily making it an Extra class
requirement.

Jozef Hand-Boniakowski

WB2MIC

"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message
news:5h4mg.138$lv.13@fed1read12...

"pltrgyst" wrote in message
...

Dyslexia cannot apply, unless it is dyslexia that affects the
remembered dot/dash pattern of a single character.


Well, Larry, it took you to the last sentence, but you did actually lurch
into the problem.
Within seconds after learning what dah-dit-dit-dah means (or
dit-dah-dah-dit, for that matter), I fail to
accurately recognize them when they are sent again. Hundreds of tries --
all failures, all mine.

From your lofty perch, as a successful Morse Code user, you look down on
me.
You could stand to learn a
little humility. It would serve you and the amateur community better than
dah-dit-dah any day.





Dave June 21st 06 08:01 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
notbob wrote:

On 2006-06-21, Dave wrote:


I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].



You bragging or complaining?

nb


Debunking a 'LABEL'


Dave June 21st 06 08:03 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Dr. Noonian Soong wrote:

darpa dave wrote:


I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].



MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod!

Soong



MX missiles have never been launched operationally. They were decommissioned by
treaty after the fall of the Soviet Union.

If they had been used WE wouldn't be here!

You are mistaken.


David G. Nagel June 21st 06 08:15 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
Dr. Noonian Soong wrote:
darpa dave wrote:


I served for 6 years as Program Chief Engineer on the USAF MX
Missile (WS-118) RS/RV].



MX missiles destroyed my country, you insensitive clod!

Soong


In as much as the MX missile carries a hydrogen warhead I don't think
that Soong's country was destroyed by one.


Dr. Noonian Soong June 22nd 06 01:06 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 

"David G. Nagel" wrote in message
...

In as much as the MX missile carries a hydrogen warhead I don't think
that Soong's country was destroyed by one.


Dr. Nagel,

You please listen to me, I get PhD from big university. My university so
expensive most American can't buy cafeteria lunch.

Long time ago, many years, I make secret lair in Bikini Atoll. American
call it that, but I rename to Soong's Micronesian Micronation. It has nice
ring to it.

Anyway, I build androids and mind my own business, but one day I monitor
Americans and they say they blow up my island. Some missile test, but I say
waste of perfectly good rocks.

I detect submarine with my acoustics, and I transmit on ELF and say "Don't
blow up my island please!" But my Engrish so bad, they get confused and jam
me with much megawatts. I not give up though. I build big ideograph out of
bamboo, it say "Don't blow up my island thanks". But they have no analyst
that read my language. I escape in nick of time in my junk ship.

look at picture, see big hole in middle of island?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll

MX missile destroy me. Now I teach dumb punk how to repair personal
computer. I get revenge. I build big contest station and beat everyone.

Soong



Dave June 22nd 06 01:26 PM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
 
NOPE! The MX missile has 100% nothing to do with the Bikini Tests! Those tests
were conducted after WWII and ended in the 1950s. The MX missile initial
deployment was 1985.

By today's standards, the Bikini tests were low yield [~20KT] fission devices.
Today's standard is moderate yields [~300 to 500 KT] fission-fusion devices.

MX has nothing to do with Bikini Atoll.

Have fun building your androids.

Dr. Noonian Soong wrote:
"David G. Nagel" wrote in message
...


In as much as the MX missile carries a hydrogen warhead I don't think
that Soong's country was destroyed by one.



Dr. Nagel,

You please listen to me, I get PhD from big university. My university so
expensive most American can't buy cafeteria lunch.

Long time ago, many years, I make secret lair in Bikini Atoll. American
call it that, but I rename to Soong's Micronesian Micronation. It has nice
ring to it.

Anyway, I build androids and mind my own business, but one day I monitor
Americans and they say they blow up my island. Some missile test, but I say
waste of perfectly good rocks.

I detect submarine with my acoustics, and I transmit on ELF and say "Don't
blow up my island please!" But my Engrish so bad, they get confused and jam
me with much megawatts. I not give up though. I build big ideograph out of
bamboo, it say "Don't blow up my island thanks". But they have no analyst
that read my language. I escape in nick of time in my junk ship.

look at picture, see big hole in middle of island?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini_Atoll

MX missile destroy me. Now I teach dumb punk how to repair personal
computer. I get revenge. I build big contest station and beat everyone.

Soong




an_old_friend June 23rd 06 02:56 AM

Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
 
Cecil Moore wrote:
Steveo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Can you dunk a basketball? If not, get back to us when you can.

I didn't know that was the hitch..can you still dunk?


If I don my knee braces, I still can. Can you?

The point is that some things are possible for each
individual and other things are impossible. Anybody
who can't dunk a basketball or pass a MENSA exam should
know how a person feels when they can't learn Morse code.

Cecil as good as it is your analogy still fails thanks to the fact that
if I can drunk (and I have no idea wether I can or not) it only means
something In Basketball. now if one inabilty to duck a basketball
barred them from all sports then you rise closer to the level of what
the code test is in the ARS
I personally think it would improve the ARS to only allow
MENSA engineers to be a member. How does that make you feel?

One of the brightest engineers I know, who has a commercial
FCC license and was the engineer at an AM broadcast station,
couldn't get past 5wpm so he was condemned to Tech class for
30 years. He knows more about radio than any ten other hams.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp




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