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Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
an old freind wrote: gravity wrote: Msater degrees In Geophysics and Byzatine studies, the sadly is the degree I have found most uslefull over the years working with sometimes for sometimes just around the Us govt that's quite impressive, must have cost you $100,000. are you kidding if it had I never would have been able to pay it Markie admits he has about $100 to his name! Had a a full scholarship for 4 years of my undergrad the Gi Bill gracously paid for the rest of it Liar, you never made it to college! you should not stoop to arguing with uneducated people. argueing no simply countering the dangerous sort of libel that builds up if not answered to under "if there is smoke there is fire" theory Yeah, since you can't argue worth a ****, much like you can't do anything else worth a ****, you useless *******. sinc e after Wismen lies & bull**** Marqueer, the only one beaten to a pulp is you, but you are too ****ing stupid to realize it. |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
Steve N. wrote:
"Sal M. Onella" wrote in message news:Qt3ng.484$RD.249@fed1read08... Hi Sal... I have problems with most characters of four or more elements length. Exceptions are period and Q, for some reason. Since I don't do CW too much anymore, I have similar problems, and I've been at it since 1961! If I did it more, I'd probably get better and I'm not suggesting that you "need more practice", just offering a little empthy... (:-) [... snip ...] Oh yeah -- I know V because the dit-dit-dit-dah sounds like the 1812 overture. Ummm... I believe you are referring to ''Beethoven's fifth" di - di - di - dah. di - di - di - dah. didididah, didididah, didididah... I am realy gald you said that I was thinking it myself but...... 73, Steve, K9DCI |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Steve N. wrote: "Sal M. Onella" wrote in message news:Qt3ng.484$RD.249@fed1read08... Hi Sal... I have problems with most characters of four or more elements length. Exceptions are period and Q, for some reason. Since I don't do CW too much anymore, I have similar problems, and I've been at it since 1961! If I did it more, I'd probably get better and I'm not suggesting that you "need more practice", just offering a little empthy... (:-) [... snip ...] Oh yeah -- I know V because the dit-dit-dit-dah sounds like the 1812 overture. Ummm... I believe you are referring to ''Beethoven's fifth" di - di - di - dah. di - di - di - dah. didididah, didididah, didididah... I am realy gald you said that I was thinking it myself but...... 73, Steve, K9DCI the 5th is the only classical piece i can think of that starts like that but i'm sure there are more. L is easy to remember. "to hell with it". Gravity |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
RE THE SUBJECT TITLE
No one is eliminating the code, only the requirement to obtain a Ham license Many will use CW for many years to come Consider it an optional communication method. RE : Morse musical and word associations the 5th is the only classical piece i can think of that starts like that but i'm sure there are more. L is easy to remember. "to hell with it". Gravity dah dah dit dah Her comes the bride She is a Queen for the day Queen = Q More associations at URL: http://www.afn.org/~afn05925/cw/ dah dah dit dit -- stupid zebra did it di dah di dah dit AR = You Think You Got It -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"gravity" wrote in
reenews.net: How many times, say during Katrina did this occour uh, if you are deserted on an island with a few buckets of electronics junk, your best bet is CW. if you a prisoner of war, CW could be invaluable in getting a message out. there are many other cases where CW can be used in channels that don't support audio. i am a superior creature because i know CW! ;-) Gravity I feel I'm a better radio amateur for knowing and being able use CW, but I don't feel superior. When hardware fails, my pencil and paper still work. sc |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"an old freind" wrote in
ps.com: gravity wrote: How many times, say during Katrina did this occour uh, if you are deserted on an island with a few buckets of electronics junk, your best bet is CW. and I can send sos with spark gap off a batery without knowing anymore than that if you a prisoner of war, CW could be invaluable in getting a message out. there are many other cases where CW can be used in channels that don't support audio. i am a superior creature because i know CW! ;-) bull**** Mark, Why don't you come back to the net after you learn how to talk. Thanks SC |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
Hey Stupid wrote: "an old freind" wrote in ps.com: i am a superior creature because i know CW! ;-) bull**** Mark, Why don't you come back to the net after you learn how to talk. why should I leave then you are the one tlaking nothing but **** Thanks SC |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"Hey Stupid" wrote in message nk.net... "an old freind" wrote in ps.com: if you a prisoner of war, CW could be invaluable in getting a message out. Actully, POWs made use of "tap code" to communicate. Check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tap_Code for some info. |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
Slow Code wrote:
When hardware fails, my pencil and paper still work. When hardware fails, you resort to messages in bottles? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
Cecil Moore wrote in
. net: Slow Code wrote: When hardware fails, my pencil and paper still work. When hardware fails, you resort to messages in bottles? Yes, I can get the message there quicker in a bottle, than the time it takes an appliance operator to get their rig back from a repair shop. SC |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
an old friend wrote: Slow Code wrote: Yes, I can get the message there quicker in a bottle, than the time it takes an appliance operator to get their rig back from a repair shop. get help STFU, spamming retard. You are too stupid and lazy to learn morse code! |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
Let's be honest, the only thing you can repair is some old piece of junk
tube rig because the technology is so simple. You could never repair a modern rig, because like most dinos, you have ever evolved into the new technology because out of fear, you cling to what is old and comfortable. Slow Code wrote: Cecil Moore wrote in . net: Slow Code wrote: When hardware fails, my pencil and paper still work. When hardware fails, you resort to messages in bottles? Yes, I can get the message there quicker in a bottle, than the time it takes an appliance operator to get their rig back from a repair shop. SC |
OT: Outsourcing
Well said and beware of those trying to raise taxes on corporations. --- Steve
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message .com... David wrote: Corporations pay way less than half the cost of running governments, Corporations don't pay any of the cost of running governments - their customers pay it all. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
OT: Outsourcing
JB - Spoken like a True Red and White
{Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF |
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DaviD,
So posting here is your sole employment {Business} ~ RHF |
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"RHF" wrote in
ups.com: JB - Spoken like a True Red and White {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF . . . . Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red. |
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John L. Sielke wrote:
RHF wrote: JB - Spoken like a True Red and White {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF . . . . John Barnard wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: David wrote: Corporations pay way less than half the cost of running governments, Corporations don't pay any of the cost of running governments - their customers pay it all. You are right! Corporations don't pay the cost of running governments. They pay the cost of usurping governments! JB It' all because back in the 60's all those draft-dodger types went to Canada. Canada not only welcomed them, but allowed them to breed. The gene pool has never been the same. Are you referring to the brain drain in the U.S. or the abundance of professionals in Canada? |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
Slow Code wrote: "RHF" wrote in ups.com: JB - Spoken like a True Red and White {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF . . . . Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red. - JB - Spoken like a True Red and White - {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF There Are Two Parts : # 1 - Spoken like a True Red and White Canadian ! - - - Canadians who are Proud of Being Canadians and are Happy to Talk 'aboot' Canada :o) * Cause - The Flag of Canada is Red and White [.] # 2 - Spoken like a Sad "Blue-in-the-Face" Canadian ! - - - Canadians who are Ashamed to be Canadians and are all to happy to Talk "Bad" About the USA :-{ * Cause - The US Flag has those 50 Blue Stars [.] Canadians Are Canadians -and- Should Be Proud Of It ! As For Me - I Was Born In The USA -and- I Am Proud To Be An American ! ~ RHF .. |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
On 13 Jul 2006 18:18:29 -0700, "RHF"
wrote: Slow Code wrote: "RHF" wrote in ups.com: JB - Spoken like a True Red and White {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF . . . . Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red. - JB - Spoken like a True Red and White - {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF There Are Two Parts : # 1 - Spoken like a True Red and White Canadian ! - - - Canadians who are Proud of Being Canadians and are Happy to Talk 'aboot' Canada :o) * Cause - The Flag of Canada is Red and White [.] # 2 - Spoken like a Sad "Blue-in-the-Face" Canadian ! - - - Canadians who are Ashamed to be Canadians and are all to happy to Talk "Bad" About the USA :-{ * Cause - The US Flag has those 50 Blue Stars [.] Canadians Are Canadians -and- Should Be Proud Of It ! As For Me - I Was Born In The USA -and- I Am Proud To Be An American ! ~ RHF . At least in Canada you get to keep your life savings if you get sick. |
OT: Outsourcing
Slow Code wrote:
"RHF" wrote in ups.com: JB - Spoken like a True Red and White {Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF . . . . Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red. And you doubtless like to spell "America" with a "k"! JB |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
DaviD,
After all those High Taxes for Social Programs . . . WHAT SAVINGS ? ? ? - It Boggles The Mind ! yes - i said it ~ RHF |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
As For Me - I Was Born In The USA -and-
I Am Proud To Be An American ! ~ RHF ==================================== You are proud to be a US Citizen. Canadans, Cubans, Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Chileans, etc., are also Americans. The name has been high-jacked. |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
Reg Edwards wrote: As For Me - I Was Born In The USA -and- I Am Proud To Be An American ! ~ RHF ==================================== - You are proud to be a US Citizen. - - Canadans, Cubans, Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Chileans, - etc., are also Americans. The name has been high-jacked. RE, The Mexicans just may refer to themselves as : Norte Amercanos -or- Americanos del Norte http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estados...a_Am%C3%A9rica The Cubans might call themselves : Americanos de Cuba. Seriously NO Canadian would call themselves an : American [.] - - - Even the French Canadians would say : Je Suis Un Canadien ! And the Argentinians, Chileans would most likely call themselves : Sur Americanos -or- Americanos del Sur -or- Americanos Latinos The Brazilians being slightly different would say : Americanos Sul Only an American (USA) would Boldly Say : I Am An American ! - and I Am Proud of It ! and so say i ~ RHF |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Reg Edwards wrote: As For Me - I Was Born In The USA -and- I Am Proud To Be An American ! ~ RHF ==================================== - You are proud to be a US Citizen. - - Canadans, Cubans, Mexicans, Brazilians, Argentinians, Chileans, - etc., are also Americans. The name has been high-jacked. RE, The Mexicans just may refer to themselves as : Norte Amercanos -or- Americanos del Norte http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estados...a_Am%C3%A9rica The Cubans might call themselves : Americanos de Cuba. Seriously NO Canadian would call themselves an : American [.] - - - Even the French Canadians would say : Je Suis Un Canadien ! And the Argentinians, Chileans would most likely call themselves : Sur Americanos -or- Americanos del Sur -or- Americanos Latinos The Brazilians being slightly different would say : Americanos Sul Only an American (USA) would Boldly Say : I Am An American ! - and I Am Proud of It ! and so say i ~ RHF No problem. 4warned is 4armed. k35454. |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
J. D. B. wrote:
Well at least your estate will get to keep your life savings. If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be no one to give you any care and you'll just die. You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be able to handle reality. But hey, your life savings will still be intact! Is socialized health care great or what? - At least in Canada you get to keep - your life savings if you get sick. JB |
(OT) : Democrat's Out-Sourcing "Hate America" To Canada !
"John Barnard" wrote in message news:3C_tg.191877$IK3.72019@pd7tw1no... J. D. B. wrote: Well at least your estate will get to keep your life savings. If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be no one to give you any care and you'll just die. You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be able to handle reality. But hey, your life savings will still be intact! Socialism! Oh! Canada! We speak two tongues...a nation united. Yeah! Eh? |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"L is easy to remember. "to hell with it". Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L" I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+ years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks. Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air. If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter projects. I expect there are some technically competent people who might be interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code. John |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
If you want easy...and most of the CW whiners do...why don't you just hook
your laptop up to your DSL line and stay the hell off the air? Jeez, you've got a pathetic joke for an exam now with canned questions to memorize and no code to learn. Too bad you're not still in your mother's womb so you don't have to feed yourselves. Though you have deluded yourselves into believing you are "hams," you are hardly believable when you wear that title. The only reason you have been able to slip through into the dumbed-down requirements and some sort of fcc "license" sham is because your appliance manufacturers that make your rigs and the charlatans like the arrl are selling out the hobby so they can sell you things. It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and you no-coder idiots have fallen for it. As for traditional, genuine "hams, we may be from the "Stone Age," but once the dinosauers became extinct the pristine landscape took on pollution and overcrowding. You simpletons have all drank the Kool-Aid and cannot see that you are parties to the eventual elimination of ham radio. Thank God for "stone age hams," for at least there is someone still around that knows something about the avocation. "J. D. B." wrote in message ... John, Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the fun is and the copy is much better. A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second channel to display additional information. CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes. MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use. MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the program. Move on and start having fun. JDB JOHN D wrote: I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+ years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks. Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air. If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter projects. I expect there are some technically competent people who might be interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code. John |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we cancommunicatewith other.
Smokey wrote: If you want easy...and most of the CW whiners do...why don't you just hook your laptop up to your DSL line and stay the hell off the air? Jeez, you've got a pathetic joke for an exam now with canned questions to memorize and no code to learn. Too bad you're not still in your mother's womb so you don't have to feed yourselves. Though you have deluded yourselves into believing you are "hams," you are hardly believable when you wear that title. The only reason you have been able to slip through into the dumbed-down requirements and some sort of fcc "license" sham is because your appliance manufacturers that make your rigs and the charlatans like the arrl are selling out the hobby so they can sell you things. It's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY and you no-coder idiots have fallen for it. As for traditional, genuine "hams, we may be from the "Stone Age," but once the dinosauers became extinct the pristine landscape took on pollution and overcrowding. You simpletons have all drank the Kool-Aid and cannot see that you are parties to the eventual elimination of ham radio. Thank God for "stone age hams," for at least there is someone still around that knows something about the avocation. Amen. dxAce Michigan USA "J. D. B." wrote in message ... John, Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the fun is and the copy is much better. A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second channel to display additional information. CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes. MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use. MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the program. Move on and start having fun. JDB JOHN D wrote: I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+ years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks. Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air. If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter projects. I expect there are some technically competent people who might be interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code. John |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
JOHN D wrote:
Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L" Was it embarrassing when you sent "good luck"? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
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On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:15:50 -0500, "Smokey" wrote: As for traditional, genuine "hams, we may be from the "Stone Age," but once the dinosauers became extinct the pristine landscape took on pollution and overcrowding. You simpletons have all drank the Kool-Aid and cannot see that you are parties to the eventual elimination of ham radio. ------------ REPLY SEPARATOR ------------ LOL! This from someone who calls himself "Smokey" and does not post his callsign. Can you say "troll", boys and girls? Bill, W6WRT |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"J. D. B." wrote in message ... John, Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the fun is and the copy is much better. A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second channel to display additional information. CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes. MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use. MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the program. Move on and start having fun. You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW. Based on what I've read about DominoEX, it is a form of Multi-Frequency Shift Keying. This variation looks to be more robust than others, however, anything that can compromise FSK and MFSK has the potential to compromise DominoEX. It will merely be a matter of the degree of severity needed before it becomes unusable. Just because something is old doesn't make it useless or stone age. Pencils have been around far longer and are still highly useful. Dee, N8UZE |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
Cecil Moore wrote:
JOHN D wrote: Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L" Was it embarrassing when you sent "good luck"? Actually it was a simple realization on my part that half the alphabet was the mirror of the other. i.e. a/n f/l e/t etc. When I had this epiphany I basically knew the code. All I had to do was learn to receive it which I did successfully twice, once for my novice and once again when I sat for my Tech before my novice license came. Passed both tests. Haven't used it much since. My choice. Dave WD9BDZ |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
Dee Flint wrote: "J. D. B." wrote in message ... John, Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the fun is and the copy is much better. A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second channel to display additional information. CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes. MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use. MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the program. Move on and start having fun. You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW. no you don't get it CW is in radio terms stone age, simol e fact stone does not mean useless you lack of ability to use english is worse than my problem with it you can't use words even though you can spell em A stone club is still leathal does that mean the army should drill and train with stone weapons? CW is obselete like HMS Canpous at the battle of the Falklands, like the Bowmen that fought with em in the retreat to Dunkirk . utility does not preclude obselenece LEARN ENGLISH esp when yo u lhave played spelling NAZI your self |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
Dee Flint wrote:
You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW. Thanks Dee, you admitted that CW is not the best mode in any condition. You agree that different modes work better under differing conditions. I agree. That's why is it utterly stupid to test incoming hams on one mode of communication. Finally we agree on something. Based on what I've read about DominoEX, it is a form of Multi-Frequency Shift Keying. This variation looks to be more robust than others, however, anything that can compromise FSK and MFSK has the potential to compromise DominoEX. It will merely be a matter of the degree of severity needed before it becomes unusable. Any mode can become unusable depending on conditions. The best thing is that some digital modes can be decoded when you cannot even hear the signal with a human ear. You just cannot do that with CW. With CW if you cannot hear it, you cannot decode it. Just because something is old doesn't make it useless or stone age. Pencils have been around far longer and are still highly useful. I agree. I never said do away with CW. I like to use it myself. However, tube rigs suck more electricity than solid state rigs and are bad for the environment so old things can be rather useless or damaging. Just like CW, it's not useless, but continuing to have a CW testing requirement is damaging and outdated. Riding horses is fun still, but very few want them for the normal day to day transportation now. They may be useful still, but for everyday transportation they are no longer required. Horses are found more and more out in the pasture where the CW testing requirement belongs. Dee, N8UZE |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
"J. D. B." wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW. Thanks Dee, you admitted that CW is not the best mode in any condition. You agree that different modes work better under differing conditions. I agree. That's why is it utterly stupid to test incoming hams on one mode of communication. Finally we agree on something. No that has nothing to do with whether it should be tested. We do NOT agree on that issue. CW is a valid and useful mode but it is different in nature from the other modes. All the other digital modes simply require investing perhaps as much as 30 minutes in setting up the hardware and software to get up and running even if you make your own interface. So one can quickly evaluate whether or not they will like it. On the other hand, it is impossible to determine whether you will like CW until you have learned it, which takes some time. Many people who might like it won't tackle it unless it's required as they will have a false impression that it is too hard since there are so many trying to get the code requirement dropped by trying to convince people it is difficult. It is not difficult to learn but it does take time. I've known a number of people who admitted that they wouldn't have tried it unless required to do so but now find that they enjoy it. It's rather like piano lessons. Every adult I know who took piano as a child has made one of the two following statements: a) I'm glad my parents didn't let me quit, or, b) I wish my parents had not let me quit. The very adults who, as a child, were glad to drop piano are the ones who most deeply regret it now. Based on what I've read about DominoEX, it is a form of Multi-Frequency Shift Keying. This variation looks to be more robust than others, however, anything that can compromise FSK and MFSK has the potential to compromise DominoEX. It will merely be a matter of the degree of severity needed before it becomes unusable. Any mode can become unusable depending on conditions. The best thing is that some digital modes can be decoded when you cannot even hear the signal with a human ear. You just cannot do that with CW. With CW if you cannot hear it, you cannot decode it. That is true but it is not a reason to condemn CW. It is merely a working parameter that one must deal with. Besides one can run CW at a higher output without risking damage to the radio to often make up the difference. Keep in mind that if you include the power requirements for the computer and monitor plus radio that a 25watt output signal for the digital mode draws more power than a radio putting out 100watts of CW. I have repeatedly maintained that each mode has its advantages and disadvantages but the anti-CW crowd takes its particular characteristics as a reason to castigate it. They refuse to objectively evaluate their "high-tech" digital modes for their unique advantages and disadvantages. There are times when a voice signal will beat the digital modes in intelligibility. For example, PSK goes belly up with even the slightest auroral disturbance yet voices, while distorted, can still come through. It will take a higher level of auroral activity to knock out voice in comparison to that required to knock out PSK. A well rounded ham should be able to select his/her mode on the basis of conditions and not be limited to by the fact that they were allowed to "slide" on the code training. Just because something is old doesn't make it useless or stone age. Pencils have been around far longer and are still highly useful. I agree. I never said do away with CW. I like to use it myself. However, tube rigs suck more electricity than solid state rigs and are bad for the environment so old things can be rather useless or damaging. Just like CW, it's not useless, but continuing to have a CW testing requirement is damaging and outdated. Who says you have to stick to tube rigs to run CW? I know you know better than that. Tube rigs have largely gone away (except for collectors) simply because its much easier to deal with solid state equipment. Yet if one wants to run a legal limit amp, it's going to be a tube unit as they haven't come up with a way to do it cost effectively any other way. I strongly disagree that a CW testing requirement is damaging or outdated. There simply is not sufficient data to support that point of few. An occasional anecdote does not qualify as valid data. Riding horses is fun still, but very few want them for the normal day to day transportation now. They may be useful still, but for everyday transportation they are no longer required. Horses are found more and more out in the pasture where the CW testing requirement belongs. Again I disagree. That analogy is not really valid. A better one would be comparing it to driving an automobile with a stick shift. I personally feel that every one who drives should be required to know how to drive a stick. They often get better mileage than automatics as an experienced driver can do a better job of selecting the shift point than a mere gadget. More people might select stick shifts if only they knew how to drive one. Dee, N8UZE |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
Dee Flint wrote: "J. D. B." wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW. Thanks Dee, you admitted that CW is not the best mode in any condition. You agree that different modes work better under differing conditions. I agree. That's why is it utterly stupid to test incoming hams on one mode of communication. Finally we agree on something. No that has nothing to do with whether it should be tested. We do NOT agree on that issue. lying again bitch it certainly has something to do with the issue but then you arenot honest about most thing |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewithother.
Dee, you can disagree all you want. The fact is that the world is moving
on and away from CW testing. Not the mode, but the testing requirement. It is just outdated and not necessary. If you want to learn it and then use it, great. The time has come to stop forcing an old mode onto people. We can debate the merits of CW all day. In 200 years, no one will be using it. It will die a natural death like all languages because the world evolves. Better things come along. And like many humans, you are resisting change because people hate change. But change is inevitable. You cannot stop this change and it is a change for the better even if you won't admit it. History will show the only way to save the Amateur Radio Service and help its growth is to evolve and change. Out with the old and in with the new. Those that won't evolve will fade from the earth just like stone-age man. Good bye CW testing requirement. Your departure is long, long overdue. Dee Flint wrote: Again I disagree. That analogy is not really valid. A better one would be comparing it to driving an automobile with a stick shift. I personally feel that every one who drives should be required to know how to drive a stick. They often get better mileage than automatics as an experienced driver can do a better job of selecting the shift point than a mere gadget. More people might select stick shifts if only they knew how to drive one. Dee, N8UZE |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
In article , "Dee Flint" wrote:
"J. D. B." wrote in message ... John, Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the fun is and the copy is much better. A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also has a second channel to display additional information. CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital modes. MultiPSK, while a bit cluttered and ugly, is a great program you can use. MixW is cleaner looking and very good, but not as many capabilities in the program. Move on and start having fun. You just don't get it do you. There are conditions for each mode that will make that mode "the best". Every mode has its place. That goes for voice, all the multiplicity of digital modes and yes CW. Last night you had the best luck with DominoEx. Another night RTTY might be better. Another night, voice might be more intelligible. Yet another night will favor CW. Based on what I've read about DominoEX, it is a form of Multi-Frequency Shift Keying. This variation looks to be more robust than others, however, anything that can compromise FSK and MFSK has the potential to compromise DominoEX. It will merely be a matter of the degree of severity needed before it becomes unusable. Just because something is old doesn't make it useless or stone age. Pencils have been around far longer and are still highly useful. Dee, N8UZE Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode" Hymie |
Elimination of CW is a loss in the number of ways we can communicatewith other.
Hymie wrote: In article , "Dee Flint" wrote: Dee, N8UZE Very well put. Every mode is useful, important and valuable in different situations. What's unfortunate, is that the only modes the anti-CW crowd wants and supports are "Lazy Mode" and "Retard mode" wrong again Hymie |
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