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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:10:08 GMT, Dave Oldridge
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"Woody" wrote in
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Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it
work? Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on
the person's chest, while
an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that
would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm?

Did someone drop you on your head at birth?
wy wouldyou ask that did someone drop you on yours?

No, but when I'm confronted with TOTAL stupidity, it's a possible
explanotion for it.

The reason 50wpm can save
lives is probably a bit complex for you to get both your functioning
neurons around, but believe me, having done CW for a living for some
decades I do know that it can save lives.
a date when was the last Ham Morse saved a life at any speed

car and drive down to the local EMS agency, and bring them to you.
Life saved!
I'm impressed.
rb

So apparently YOUR answer to this question is that you couldn't send
your name if your own life depended on it.

I can send anything I like the proof of that is before you I have a pc

Believe me, I get it. I don't think CW ought to be mandatory and it
isn't where I live.
good for you
I do think people who intend to use it should learn
how to use it properly, though. For CW to be effective, both
operators must be competent. IF they are, they can often transcend
barriers of language that only digital modes can get over. In my own
case, the fact that I could read CW and read written Spanish a bit
once enabled me to render aid to a burning fishing boat. (There were
other more routine examples of where the language barrier was crossed
by CW--many messages I copied were not in English at all, but were
readable by their end recipients).
ok you have a date for that I'll accept it as a life saved by CW if
you do
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

Not an exact date, though it's probably in the archives of the Canadian
Coast Guard, my employer at the time. Hey, I worked at Halifax Coast
Guard radio from 1977 until 1995, 18 years at the one station. We
handled a number of SOS calls on CW and were able to save lives some of
the time (not always. alas). But with trained operators on both ends of
the signal path, CW was pretty much always an easier go than SSB. And
SITOR was pretty much a joke. Half the ships couldn't get it going.

INMARSAT is what put CW out of business in the marine industry. And a
nasty solar flare or two could put INMARSAT out of business. You pays
your money and you takes your chances. I'm not sure that a ship equipped
with a complex satellite radio with a lot of moving parts and a
technician is all that much better off than a ship was when they were
equipped with an MF-HF CW and SSB radio station and a radio operator who
was also a trained technician. All is well until something breaks and
the nearest part is 500 miles away over water.


CW was still in use for a some ship-to-shore work when I retired in 1995.

When I went to the high arctic in 1964 it was our main means of
communication with the south. We eventually converted that to RTTY and
SSB, but neither was really as effective as the CW that preceded.

Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work.
That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find.

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Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work.
That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find.


Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they create
induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31.

Dee, N8UZE

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"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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[snip]


Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work.
That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find.


Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they
create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31.

True, I've never had much success during 2 metere aurora openings with
anything BUT CW. It ain't CW by the time it gets to the other end, but
it's still readable there.


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I thought it was illegal to change modes during the EMF stage... ??
You should be able to remodulate your carrier to offset the gravimetric
effect on the signal
as it nears subspace. I scavenged a modulator wheel from an electronic piano
and work it with the left
hand whilst straight-keying with my right, as obviously this can't be done
with a keyer or bug of any kind.
Manual manipulation of each character's component time/phase is a must to
get a synch.
rb

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"Dee Flint" wrote in
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"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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[snip]


Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work.
That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find.


Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they
create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31.

True, I've never had much success during 2 metere aurora openings with
anything BUT CW. It ain't CW by the time it gets to the other end, but
it's still readable there.


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ICQ 1800667

So did your guy die or not?
rb

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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[snip]


Now, today, we have such things a PSK31 to do much of the grunt work.
That will work as well as CW in most cases, I find.


Don't forget thought that solar flares and especially the aurora they
create induce a phase shift in signals and that wipes out PSK31.

Dee, N8UZE

"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?

Which one? You win some, you lose some. In more than twenty years there
were lots. You see until 1995 CW was still being used for serious ship-to-
shore comms. SSB is OK for phone calls but if you want written copy, you
need something that works. And, though we tried it with some fairly good
equipment, RTTY just didn't cut it. What did the job was INMARSAT.
Satellite comms can take place on VHF, UHF and SHF bands that don't
restrict bandwidth. And they can do that because the antenna is finally
high enough to make a real difference.

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now.
Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as
signal-to-noise goes.

Of course, if a big solar flare takes out a whole bunch of sats, we're
gonna have a comm squeeze.


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"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?

Which one? You win some, you lose some.

Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread at
all?
CW = Gift of Life.
Fast CW = Hand of God.

It's in the Extra Class manual....

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right now.
Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal as far as
signal-to-noise goes.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!
Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire
Comm-Post pile we're making, and then
people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the
thought!]
rb

"Woody" wrote in news:gDKIg.7926$Xl5.5330@trnddc06:


"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?

Which one? You win some, you lose some.

Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread
at all?
CW = Gift of Life.
Fast CW = Hand of God.

Where did anyone actually say that in this thread?

It's in the Extra Class manual....

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right
now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal
as far as signal-to-noise goes.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!
Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire
Comm-Post pile we're making, and then
people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the
thought!]
rb

Well, at the moment my radio is on 3729 LSB. But it will shortly be on
3652 CW.


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ICQ 1800667

Excellent point!
?
rb

"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in news:gDKIg.7926$Xl5.5330@trnddc06:


"Dave Oldridge" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in news:i4rIg.901$N84.191@trnddc08:

So did your guy die or not?

Which one? You win some, you lose some.

Huh? How can a fast CW op *not* save a life? Have you read this thread
at all?
CW = Gift of Life.
Fast CW = Hand of God.

Where did anyone actually say that in this thread?

It's in the Extra Class manual....

And that's why I'm watching TV from a 12ghz satellite signal right
now. Putting the antenna that high makes all modes pretty much equal
as far as signal-to-noise goes.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGH!!
Holy crap.... I hope no one else reads that.. It'll kill the entire
Comm-Post pile we're making, and then
people will just go back to swapping radios or something. [Perish the
thought!]
rb

Well, at the moment my radio is on 3729 LSB. But it will shortly be on
3652 CW.


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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:22:53 GMT, Dave Oldridge
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 01:10:08 GMT, Dave Oldridge
wrote:

"Woody" wrote in
news:%RJGg.27319$uV.13889@trnddc08:

Well there ya have it folks.... 50wpm saves lives. So how does it
work? Turn up the speaker really loud and place it [face down] on
the person's chest, while
an op in South America tapped out universally accepted words that
would mimic an atrioventricular rhythm?

Did someone drop you on your head at birth?
wy wouldyou ask that did someone drop you on yours?

No, but when I'm confronted with TOTAL stupidity, it's a possible
explanotion for it.
where did you encounter total stpupidity? I missed it I saw someone
being sarcastic and reasonabley cleaver about it

I'm not responsible for your perceptual difficulties.



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ICQ 1800667