Mike Coslo wrote:

I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell. Both
bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from Ebay,
and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it. Offshore to
boot - what a mess!

Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy
negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is
apparently negative feedback.

The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible"
for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud
on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding
responsibility.

Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've
*never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned once!

But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture
these sellers paint is not so accurate.......

- Mike KB3EIA -

Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion. If you lost your
CC info using ebay, then you are more than a little bit naive in the way you
use the internet. But enough on that.

The biggest problem I see with the feedback system is it isn't blind. If
you give negative feedback to someone like Radio-Mart, he will give negative
feedback to you. I have had a couple of bad transactions where I *should*
have given bad feedback, but the ebayer threatened to trash me if I did. My
feedback number is too low to accept even one bad feedback.

What ebay should do is make it so that you cannot see the feedback given to you,
for the current transaction, until you have sent in your feedback, for that
transaction. It would probably be best to make it so that nobody can see the
feedback from a transaction until both parties have contributed their feedback.
You wouldn't want a bad egg to be able to read your negative feedback from a
shill account. To protect against the large number of "zeros", there should
also be a counter that tells the number of transactions made vs the number of
feedbacks received.

-Chuck

Chuck Harris wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I've had two personal experiences with Ebay. 1 buy, and 1 sell.
Both bad. And a friend's fiancé had her credit card info stolen from
Ebay, and the card was maxed out by the lowlife that stole it.
Offshore to boot - what a mess!

Of course Ebay's stock answer is that she could give the guy
negative feedback!!!!! HAR! The answer to all the world's problems is
apparently negative feedback.

The fatal flaw in their scheme is that they are "not responsible"
for *anything*. I suspect eventually someone is going to do huge fraud
on their site, and then the courts may decide otherwise, regarding
responsibility.

Now its time for the apologists to chime in about how they've
*never* had a problem - thousands of transactions and not been burned
once!

But what we are hearing these days suggests that the rosy picture
these sellers paint is not so accurate.......

- Mike KB3EIA -


Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.

If a dog bites me the first two times I get near it, I'm sure not going
to give it a third chance! 8^)



If you lost your
CC info using ebay, then you are more than a little bit naive in the way
you use the internet. But enough on that.

I'm not the one losing the card info, but yes there are naive people on
the internet.


The biggest problem I see with the feedback system is it isn't blind. If
you give negative feedback to someone like Radio-Mart, he will give
negative
feedback to you. I have had a couple of bad transactions where I *should*
have given bad feedback, but the ebayer threatened to trash me if I
did. My
feedback number is too low to accept even one bad feedback.

What ebay should do is make it so that you cannot see the feedback given
to you, for the current transaction, until you have sent in your feedback, for that
transaction. It would probably be best to make it so that nobody can
see the feedback from a transaction until both parties have contributed their
feedback. You wouldn't want a bad egg to be able to read your negative feedback
from a shill account. To protect against the large number of "zeros", there
should also be a counter that tells the number of transactions made vs the
number of feedbacks received.

It does start to get complicated.

Michael Coslo wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote:

Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.


If a dog bites me the first two times I get near it, I'm sure not
going to give it a third chance! 8^)

Yeah, but if you are wearing a T-bone steak suit, and you walk up to the dog,
can you really blame the dog?


What ebay should do is make it so that you cannot see the feedback
given to you, for the current transaction, until you have sent in your
feedback, for that
transaction. It would probably be best to make it so that nobody can
see the feedback from a transaction until both parties have
contributed their feedback. You wouldn't want a bad egg to be able to
read your negative feedback from a shill account. To protect against
the large number of "zeros", there should also be a counter that
tells the number of transactions made vs the number of feedbacks
received.


It does start to get complicated.


Nothing that about 10 lines of code couldn't handle. I think that the folks
at ebay are up to the task.

-Chuck

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...
Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.

Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is
entirely up to the person forming the conclusion.

Whatever number he says is valid, is valid.

That's what freedom is all about.

Jik Bombo wrote:
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...

Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.


Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is
entirely up to the person forming the conclusion.

Whatever number he says is valid, is valid.

That's what freedom is all about.

So, what you are implying is I'm against freedom?

Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded
city street, and runs headlong into the street, without
regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might
conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street.

Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling
in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street
without incident.

The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed.
Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely.

Now, about that freedom thing: AR15s at 100 paces....;-)

-Chuck

"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...
Jik Bombo wrote:
"Chuck Harris" wrote in message
...

Two bad experiences are not enough to form a conclusion.


Not true. How many bad experiences are required to form a conclusion is
entirely up to the person forming the conclusion.

Whatever number he says is valid, is valid.

That's what freedom is all about.

So, what you are implying is I'm against freedom?

No, I'm simply saying that for many, one, or even just innuendo is a valid
basis for a conclusion.

Let me put it this way, if a guy comes apon a crowded
city street, and runs headlong into the street, without
regard for the signals, and gets hit by a car, he might
conclude that it is very dangerous to cross that street.

That's right.

And a lesson well learned.

Yet hundreds of thousands of others with, minimal schooling
in the ways of city traffic, can cross that same city street
without incident.

The conclusion drawn by the ignorant one is improperly formed.
Given the tiniest bit of schooling, he too could use ebay safely.

The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance.

Nor is it a life-ending decision.

Now, about that freedom thing: AR15s at 100 paces....;-)

100 paces?

How about a flamethrower?

-Chuck

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person

lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with
invalid IDs like lid

Bill M wrote:
lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


The ebay bottom-feeders that we all strive to avoid often post here with
invalid IDs like lid

I learned about a year ago that using one's ID on these newsgroups is
very dangerous. Do a WEB search and you will find every post you ever
made or every post someone else has made. A good way to find out a lot
about a person for good and bad reasons.

EBay is a great place to do business and the Radio Mart's are few and
far between.

Now go do you WEB search and tell you what you found. Do it by your name
your handle if different and your email address.

lid wrote:

"1The choice to not use eBay is hardly a sign of ignorance."

Spoken like a truly ignorant person


So Ebay is where all the smart and educated folks hang out?

- Mike KB3EIA -