I don't know if this manual heist would be considered 'stolen' but the link
for stolen property reports on Ebay is :

http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_u...n=Continue+%3E


Might just get the attention of Ebay if enough people report him and other
bipedal fecaloids attempting to profit from BAMA.






"Gregg" wrote in message ...
If you contact FleaBay, they'll pull the auction.


--
Gregg "t3h g33k"
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca
*Ratings are for transistors, tubes have guidelines*

This guy probably has downloaded most of the BAMA site. Check his other
auctions and there are many radio related manuals.

Great find. Was it a surprise to find your call posted on his auction?

wrote:
Happened to come across this one this evening while looking for National
stuff.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true


The item he is selling is an NC-44 manual that I scanned and uploaded to
BAMA.

What really annoyed me was it has my call letters on the front page. He
was too lazy or did not know how to remove it.

If you look at this guys completed auctions you will find his sale
percentage is pretty low. Considering the cost of ad placement on e-bay
I don't think this would be a very good business to get into. Maybe he
will figure this out and stop sell things that are not his.

73 de N9MHT

Bill Cohn wrote:

wrote:

Happened to come across this one this evening while looking for
National stuff.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true


The item he is selling is an NC-44 manual that I scanned and uploaded
to BAMA.

What really annoyed me was it has my call letters on the front page.
He was too lazy or did not know how to remove it.


If you look at this guys completed auctions you will find his sale
percentage is pretty low. Considering the cost of ad placement on e-bay
I don't think this would be a very good business to get into. Maybe he
will figure this out and stop sell things that are not his.

73 de N9MHT

I did look at his completed auctions and it was pretty pathetic. I saw
over 2000 completed auctions and I went through 10 pages and he sold
less than 10% of what he had listed. With an average listing fee of 40
cents per auction, and a 10 % sell ratio that's a lot of money to throw
out for listings. Not a very smart thief.

Dave

Bill Cohn wrote:

wrote:

Happened to come across this one this evening while looking for
National stuff.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true


The item he is selling is an NC-44 manual that I scanned and uploaded
to BAMA.

What really annoyed me was it has my call letters on the front page.
He was too lazy or did not know how to remove it.


If you look at this guys completed auctions you will find his sale
percentage is pretty low. Considering the cost of ad placement on e-bay
I don't think this would be a very good business to get into. Maybe he
will figure this out and stop sell things that are not his.

73 de N9MHT

I did look at his completed auctions and it was pretty pathetic. I saw
over 2000 completed auctions and I went through 10 pages and he sold
less than 10% of what he had listed. With an average listing fee of 40
cents per auction, and a 10 % sell ratio that's a lot of money to throw
out for listings. Not a very smart thief.

Dave

If you look at this guys completed auctions you will find his sale=20
percentage is pretty low.

Agreed, they probably have a return percentage comparable to that of =
spam mail, with the difference they have to pay a fee to e-bay.

However a man who sells something that is freely available for everyone =
cannot be called a "thieve", he is just a poor man, who provides a =
"service" (that of downloading the file from BAMA, printing and =
advertising it over e-bay) to people accepting to pay something for =
that.

I would tend to rather be sorry with the buyers, than putting the blame =
on the sellers.

73

Tony, I0JX

If someone lawfully downloads something on the internet that is not
protected and sells it, and another person calls him a thief, or infringes
upon his right to sell that item, then the person who is harmed is the
seller - who in turn has a cause of action against the accuser for libel and
interference with the right to sell.

Be careful when accusing someone of being a thief, or they may take your
money from you.

Colin K7FM

COLIN LAMB wrote:
If someone lawfully downloads something on the internet that is not
protected and sells it, and another person calls him a thief, or infringes
upon his right to sell that item, then the person who is harmed is the
seller - who in turn has a cause of action against the accuser for libel and
interference with the right to sell.

Be careful when accusing someone of being a thief, or they may take your
money from you.

Colin K7FM


Oh come off it Colin. We all know that none of us has the real rights
to this material. What I'm saying is that if "I" go to the trouble to
scan in a 200 page manual and then upload for free use by others, I
have done most of the work and if someone downloads this work and sells
it they are stealing my work. In that regard the seller is a thief.
Maybe not in the legal sense but in a moral sense he is. THIEF he is
and THIEF I'll call him.

;-p wrote:

COLIN LAMB wrote:

If someone lawfully downloads something on the internet that is not
protected and sells it, and another person calls him a thief, or infringes
upon his right to sell that item, then the person who is harmed is the
seller - who in turn has a cause of action against the accuser for libel and
interference with the right to sell.

Be careful when accusing someone of being a thief, or they may take your
money from you.

Colin K7FM



Oh come off it Colin. We all know that none of us has the real rights
to this material. What I'm saying is that if "I" go to the trouble to
scan in a 200 page manual and then upload for free use by others, I
have done most of the work and if someone downloads this work and sells
it they are stealing my work. In that regard the seller is a thief.
Maybe not in the legal sense but in a moral sense he is. THIEF he is
and THIEF I'll call him.


What about the professional repair guy who downloads a copy of the manual
you scanned, and then **shudder** asks top dollar to repair a piece of
equipment using that manual? That manual has enabled him to make the repair,
and he has, in essence sold that manual to his customer. I bet he has made
more off of the free manual from BAMA than any of the ebay merchants.

(OBTW, I have been that guy.)

If you have conditions on how the manual you scanned is to be used, don't make
the manual publically available on BAMA. Go off and sell it yourself!

-Chuck

On Fri, 27 May 2005 09:39:45 UTC, ";-p"
wrote:



COLIN LAMB wrote:
If someone lawfully downloads something on the internet that is not
protected and sells it, and another person calls him a thief, or infringes
upon his right to sell that item, then the person who is harmed is the
seller - who in turn has a cause of action against the accuser for libel and
interference with the right to sell.

Be careful when accusing someone of being a thief, or they may take your
money from you.

Colin K7FM


Oh come off it Colin. We all know that none of us has the real rights
to this material. What I'm saying is that if "I" go to the trouble to
scan in a 200 page manual and then upload for free use by others, I
have done most of the work and if someone downloads this work and sells
it they are stealing my work. In that regard the seller is a thief.
Maybe not in the legal sense but in a moral sense he is. THIEF he is
and THIEF I'll call him.

That's a little harsh. I've tried to download stuff off BAMA.
Success varies. If someone with more patience than I manages the
download, perhaps doing it at the wee hours, there is value in that.

Granted it seems unfair but I don't have to pay them, I can stay up
and try for an "opening".

Where there is an ethical problem (as in, ethics among intellectual
property thieves), is that the sellers on eBay aren't saying, "I got
this off the public Ham Radio manual site and burned it to CD for
you. Please bid appropriately."

and

"Those of you who don't have broadband or perhaps want the
convenience of CD's will appreciate this service."

I'm not saying that it's wrong to propagate manuals for 30 year old
radios. I recognize that it is outside the law but you lawyers out
there, libraries have copy machines in them, even the Library of
Congress.

Clearly the law is wrong about intellectual property rights in this
area.

de ah6gi, spiffing up Collins 75S-1 Serial Number 55, previously
owned by Dave.


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