On 15 May 2004 04:31:48 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:

As it is, spots scheduled to air on WLIB, New York, were,
apparrently, run on the network in a show that suggested the
President be assassinated.

No Air America show ever suggested the President be assassinated.

But keep passing around the lies, Rich. The buzz is bringing in advertising
bucks, and as a startup, they can use all the help they can get.

The "lies" have been all over the trade press. Randi Rhodes allegely
suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat and shot. That's what
prompted the advertisers to request their spots not air on the
network.

I'm sure she wasn't serious but mainstream advertisers shun
controversy.

I'm curious how you know the "buzz" is bringing in advertisers. Unless
you're an employee of the network or ad agencies who are placing buys,
how would you know? Many spots on a new network are there to avoid
using PSAs in every break.

With only one major market I doubt they're getting network buys. Even
WLIB, New York, doesn't have the tonnage in the right demos to get
bought. My guess is those were spots being run off from a buy aimed at
the station's previous audience or as a combo buy with WBLS.

I think the archive their shows on the net. It allegedly happened last
week.

Rich

Quoth Rich Wood in
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The "lies" have been all over the trade press.

FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure.

Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat
and shot.

Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to
Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's
brother who killed him.

She never advocated anything.

That's what prompted the advertisers to request their spots not air on the
network.

Funny how GM (for the most widely-cited example) says otherwise, if one asks
them. They say they were prompted to pull their ads by the fact of the
change in format (they had bought WLIB to reach the Caribbean market), not by
the content of the new format.

Funny how Ford immediately started advertising THEIR certified used cars on
WLIB as soon as GM stopped advertising theirs...

I think the archive their shows on the net.

Rich, I used to think you were so well-informed. Now, I begin to see
otherwise.

AA maintains no archives.

However, a fan of Randi Rhodes maintains a rolling two-week archive at
http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/.

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charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth Rich Wood in
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Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to
Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's
brother who killed him.

She never advocated anything.

It's funny how some people, many of whom probably never listened, like to
say people like Rush and Sean are full of "hate". Now the shoe is on the
other foot. How does it feel?

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth Rich Wood in
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The "lies" have been all over the trade press.

FUD, spread by those with an interest in AA's failure.

Randi Rhodes allegely suggested George Bush be taken out in a boat
and shot.

Did you hear that program, Rich? I heard it. Rhodes was comparing W to
Fredo Corleone. You may recall that, in the Godfather, it was Fredo's
brother who killed him.

She never advocated anything.

Here is the transcript... it sure sounds like Rich was right. And you are
not.

Caller: One more question: Why don't the American people see that the entire
Bush Family are crooks?

Randi: Well that would--

C: Neil, Jeb, George Senior Iran Contra, and and and now Dopey

R: And what was involved.. what do they have in common? All of these things?

C: It's all money.

R: They all stole. They stole from banks. They stole from Pakistani banks;
they stole from American banks; they stole from small banks, big banks,
neighborhood banks. They stole from MY bank. My bank was uh this Savings and
Loan of Broward--

C: Yup

R: --and Jeb took care of that bank. Jeb actually bought a building that was
uh you know took a mortgage on the building of four million dollars and then
just you know said he couldnt pay the.. the the the uh the note you know the
mortgage and the bank totally went belly up and the tax payers had to bail
out that bank too. I mean--

C: They're theives; they're the Corleones and as you said--

R: They ARE the Corelones!

C: --and now we're down to Fredo.

R: Well I gotta find... Well right, we've got the Fredo of the family is the
President of the United States! So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his
brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing

C: Yeah--

R: You know

C: --on a row boat

R: Yeah and let him say some Hail Marys

C: I'll bet Bush does have a little dingy

R: Yeah.. take him out and you know "Hail Mary, full of grace, God is with
you-" [Randi makes the sound of a blast] ... Works for me.

C: Absolutely, thank you--

R: Thank you... I don't think you can say that anymore. I really don't. You
will see. No Godfather references when it comes to the Bush family. Nope!

Quoth "David Eduardo" in
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So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his
brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing

No, I'M correct.

She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father
take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing"

As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather".

Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W...


--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Quoth "David Eduardo" in
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So uh why doesnt his father take him, or his
brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing

No, I'M correct.

She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father
take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh..
fishing"

As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The
Godfather".

Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill
W...

The message is clear. It is not particularly funny, and would be no more
funny coming from Michael Savage in regards to Kerry than it is coming from
a host on the other side of the spectrum speaking about Bush.

"David Eduardo" wrote in news:c8d8n7$m3e$1
@xuxa.iecc.com:

The message is clear.

Only if one has evil intent.

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On 18 May 2004 02:45:20 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:

She never advocated anyone kill W. Her words were, "why doesnt his father
take him, or his brother, one of em, take him out for a little uh.. fishing"

As I said, she referenced Michael Corleone killing Fredo in "The Godfather".

Unless you are prepared to assert that Rand Rhodes commanded Jeb to kill W...

You can try and explain it away but when someone suggests a father or
brother take someone out fishing, particularly a President, and makes
a noise imitating a gunshot I take it to mean there's a victim.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find the Secret Service would find a
gunshot in a boat where the President is present to be a problem. I'd
see lots of very wet black suits.

I don't care where the reference comes from. The actual audio names
members of the Bush family and clearly implies one is to be a gunshot
victim. It's not a terrible stretch to believe the victim would be the
President.

Not something mainstream advertisers would like.

I'm crushed that I've lost your respect, but many, many people didn't
see the reference as a lie. I listened to the archive (the shows are
archived) and there was no doubt the death of the President was the
focus.

Rich

Rich Wood wrote in news:c8fteq$uh$1
@xuxa.iecc.com:

many, many people didn't see the reference as a lie.

The lie was the claim of advocacy.

From http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/12/153908.shtml,
where the whole flap started:

Comparing Bush and his family to the Corleones of "Godfather" fame, Air
America host Randi Rhodes reportedly unleashed this zinger during her
Monday night broadcast: "Like Fredo, somebody ought to take him out
fishing and phuw."

[ end excerpt ]

This is both a misquote ("somebody ought") and a lie.

Funny how the lie made its way into the trades so quickly, to be repeated
over and over again before the truth could get its boots on.

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"Tom Betz" wrote in message
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Rich Wood wrote in news:c8fteq$uh$1

Funny how the lie made its way into the trades so quickly, to be repeated
over and over again before the truth could get its boots on.

The text has been posted and a link to the audio as well. It is very clear
that what happened was an attempt at humor that went to far by anyone's
standards.

There is no lie. Only your denial.