On 22 Mar 2005 18:51:00 GMT, Tom Betz wrote:

And very shortly after he took over at Sirius, the few free web streams
that Sirius talent had negotiated for their hard-core fans were
unceremoniously turned off.

You know, it's no secret Mel is no fan of streaming...but I don't
really blame him in that case.

At Infinity, his strict "no streaming" policy increasingly meant that
the company seemed to be walling itself off from the growing world of
digital audio.

But at Sirius, his company is now PART of that world, and I can't
blame him for cutting off free feeds of exclusive talent, that you
can't hear anywhere else. I do believe they should stream those folks
to subscribers via their in-house streaming that already exists for
music stations on Sirius.

Mike Ward wrote in news:d1s93d$7p$1
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But at Sirius, his company is now PART of that world, and I can't
blame him for cutting off free feeds of exclusive talent, that you
can't hear anywhere else.

Nor could I, if Sirius were to offer a web-only subscription option for
those of us for whom the available Sirius hardware remains unacceptably
inflexible.

Unfortunately, the only way to subscribe to the web stream is first to
purchase Sirius hardware, because you need the hardware's serial number.

And as a matter of principle, I'm not about to buy any hardware that
isn't at least as portable as a 1980 Sony Walkman.

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"H Glazer" wrote in message
So how does streaming make bottom-line sense now when it didn't three and
a
half years ago, when hundreds of stations pulled their signals to avoid
having to pay additional fees to stream ads that used unionized talent?
Are
CC and Infinity scrubbing their webcasts of such ads?


Apparently so. If you listen to WBZ radio on the 'net, you hear Mayor
Menino, ads for the Red Cross, PSAs, etc.

Also, the broadcast industry ran away from the 'net, possibly fearing it,
not understanding it, or a combination of both.

Kinda like the motion picture industry - they feared television, they
feared pay TV, they feared cable TV (as did a lot of the broadcast industry
for awhile), they feared the VCR, of all things. Some of these "fads"
turned out to be their best friends, and their best hope for survival!
They were just too stupid to realize it at the time!

Well, maybe I was a little prophetic a few years ago on this, but
it's deja vu all over again.

The broadcasting industry didn't UNDERSTAND the Internet, and no one
knew where, and in what direction it was going to go five years ago.

Some, in this group, condemned the Internet mode of broadcasting. A
fad. Technically inferior. Can't reach as many people. Blah blah blah.
A lot of absurd statements.

Now, they realize if they don't climb on board, they're going to be
left at the starter's gate (duh!)

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"H Glazer" wrote in message
So how does streaming make bottom-line sense now when it didn't three
and
a
half years ago, when hundreds of stations pulled their signals to avoid
having to pay additional fees to stream ads that used unionized talent?
Are
CC and Infinity scrubbing their webcasts of such ads?


Apparently so. If you listen to WBZ radio on the 'net, you hear Mayor
Menino, ads for the Red Cross, PSAs, etc.

Also, the broadcast industry ran away from the 'net, possibly fearing
it,
not understanding it, or a combination of both.


OK, how does Internet streaming benefit WBZ in tangible dollars and cents?
If people in the Boston market choose to listen via the 'Net at the office,
maybe they're hearing 'BZ where they normally would not be able to, but
they're not hearing the advertising that drives the station's earnings.
People in other cities, states, countries ... how does their listening to
the Web stream matter? Yeah, I suppose Bobby in Birmingham and Rajiv in
Bombay would be more likely to listen to WBZ in their cars should they ever
move to or visit Boston, but that can't be the justification. I like
Internet radio just as much as the next guy, and I'm glad to see more
stations returning to cyberspace, but I'm still wondering how broadcasters
hope to recover the costs of streaming.

Howard

H Glazer had written:
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| OK, how does Internet streaming benefit WBZ in tangible dollars and cents?
| If people in the Boston market choose to listen via the 'Net at the office,
| maybe they're hearing 'BZ where they normally would not be able to, but
| they're not hearing the advertising that drives the station's earnings.

Data point: KCBS in San Francisco is touting its (new) stream as
giving listeners the ability to listen at the office. The audio
stream at the web site is being heavily promoted on-air.

Either the marketing department isn't communicating clearly with
the sales department, or they're laying the groundwork for what
they hope to be a new revenue stream.

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H Glazer wrote:
I link Internet radio just as much as the next guy, and I'm glad to
see more stations returning to cyberspace, but I'm still wondering
how broadcasters hope to recover the costs of streaming.

I think the logic goes something like this:

- If few people listen, then it doesn't cost very much, and we make a
few of our P1s happer because they can get the station in their
offices, which helps to build brand loyalty.

- If lots of people listen, we can sell that.

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In article ,
H Glazer wrote:
I link Internet radio just as much as the next guy, and I'm glad to
see more stations returning to cyberspace, but I'm still wondering
how broadcasters hope to recover the costs of streaming.

I think the logic goes something like this:

- If few people listen, then it doesn't cost very much, and we make a
few of our P1s happer because they can get the station in their
offices, which helps to build brand loyalty.

- If lots of people listen, we can sell that.


Yeah, but they'll be trying to sell that to the advertising agencies they
deal with, who know full well (I would think) that their AFTRA-talent-voiced
ads aren't being heard by any of that burgeoning number of Internet
listeners. People who listen to WBZ in the office, most likely, already
listen to WBZ in their cars. Brand loyalty has already been built. The only
really new listeners WBZ stands to gain are the out-of-market ones that
Boston-based advertisers don't care if they reach, even if the stream wasn't
scrubbed. Are Sullivan Tire, Giant Glass, or whoever, really going to pay
more because 'BZ is now being heard online by people who can't hear their
ads?

Howard

On 25 Mar 2005 20:38:26 GMT, (Mark Roberts)
wrote:


Data point: KCBS in San Francisco is touting its (new) stream as
giving listeners the ability to listen at the office. The audio
stream at the web site is being heavily promoted on-air.

Likewise with KFWB. One reason for the corporate change of heart on
streaming, I've been told, is problems with building penetration by AM
signals.


Either the marketing department isn't communicating clearly with
the sales department, or they're laying the groundwork for what
they hope to be a new revenue stream.

If KFWB's promotions are any indication, they indeed have such hopes.
KFWB promos also pitch advertising avails.

Mark Howell