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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:53:01 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote:

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At 27 MHz, any antenna shorter then 5 feet is a waste of time.
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Not true. There are antennas at five feet that will match or even
surpass a 102" SS whip.

Bull****.


This has been shown before. Get off your fat ass and do an actual
test. You will find that a Stainless Steel 102" whip can be marginally
beat. You can not realize this by reading a book! Get off your ass.

My "fat ass" has done this test more than once, more than twice.... If, in fact,
you do a PROPER test, eliminating ALL reasonable confounds and recording ALL the
data, you WILL find that the 9 foot whip just can't be beat, as my "fat ass" has
proven more than a DOZEN times before while teaching students how to map an
antenna field (which, BTW, was a lab demo for a number of different issues, not
just antenna types and field strength measurements).

P.S. A 1/4 wave whip of thicker more conductive material can't be beat
by a shorter antenna, but my comment was about the common 102" SS
whip.

Here's your assignment for tomorrow, Tnom:

Compare the resistive losses due to skin effect for a 1/4 wave vertical (27 MHz)
made of both stainless steel and solid silver wire of the same diameter. And I'm
going to help you out by reminding you to integrate the current distribution on
the antenna, and I'll even let you pick an arbitrary diameter and disregard the
taper. Show your work (and don't skip steps).






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Here's your assignment for tomorrow, Tnom:

Compare the resistive losses due to skin effect for a 1/4 wave vertical (27 MHz)
made of both stainless steel and solid silver wire of the same diameter. And I'm
going to help you out by reminding you to integrate the current distribution on
the antenna, and I'll even let you pick an arbitrary diameter and disregard the
taper. Show your work (and don't skip steps).

Not needed. I know the truth because I have used the antennas.

Here's your assignment for tomorrow. Get off your fat ass and test the
antennas.

In , wrote:

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Here's your assignment for tomorrow, Tnom:

Compare the resistive losses due to skin effect for a 1/4 wave vertical (27 MHz)
made of both stainless steel and solid silver wire of the same diameter. And I'm
going to help you out by reminding you to integrate the current distribution on
the antenna, and I'll even let you pick an arbitrary diameter and disregard the
taper. Show your work (and don't skip steps).

Not needed. I know the truth because I have used the antennas.

You assume that nobody else has done any testing for themselves. You are wrong.

Here's your assignment for tomorrow. Get off your fat ass and test the
antennas.

Once again --- and try to comprehend it this time --- I already have.





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Here's your assignment for tomorrow. Get off your fat ass and test the
antennas.

Once again --- and try to comprehend it this time --- I already have.

Good. Then you have properly documented the results.

A proper test could only be done with much attention to detail.
All this would require a detailed account of every variable.
Attempts would be made to keep the variables the same between
the different antennas. If done successfully the test would reveal
useful numbers.

I'm waiting for the test conditions and your results. You do have
numbers don't you? What antennas did you test.?