"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
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"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
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"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(twistedhed) wrote in message
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You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,



Yes, (I'm not part of the antis-) you can have lots of illegal amps and
not
get cited. And you could "collect" them on a shelf to keep forever. If
you
have not committed some *other* infraction, then it is a moot point.
You
have to do something to get FCC's attention
to start with. Then the rules (Rule 10 and 11) apply and *could* cause
you a
'rathuh sticky wicket, eh wot" as the old Brit aristrocrats used to say.
And the rule (and it has been quoted many times) states as follows:


RULE 10 - Power Output
{A} Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the
following values under any conditions:
AM [Amplitude Modulation] - 4 watts carrier power [CP]
SSB [Single Side-Band] - 12 watts peak envelope power [PEP]
{B} If you need more information about the power rule, see Part
95/
Subpart E.
{C} Use of a transmitter which has carrier [CP] or peak envelope
power
[PEP]in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the
station.
RULE 11 - Linear Amplifiers
{A} You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to
your
type-accepted CB transmitter in any way:
[1] External radio frequency [RF] power amplifiers, also called
linear
amplifiers, or linears;
or
[2] Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as
a
signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal.
{B} There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power
amplifier
voids your authority to operate the station.
{C} The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external
[RF]
power amplifier if-
[1] It is in your possession or on your premises; and

Make that AND (all caps), to be correct as per FCC Rule 95.411(C)

That means there must be additional legal evidence, not simply
possession. Something that Georgie-girl and DouGay deliberately will
not understand.

[2] There is OTHER EVIDENCE that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10.
{D} Paragraph C above in this section does not apply if you hold a
license in another radio service (HAM, etc.) which allows you to operate
an
external RF power amplifier.



So, you can see that it is Rule ll, sec 1 that could
bring about that "sticky wicket".

Not correct. BOTH sections have to be satisfied before any legal
infraction has been committed, not just one part. In fact, it's sec 2
that might be a "sticky wicket". Sec 1 has no teeth by itself.

By getting atten-
tion called to *some* other activities, those ampli-
fiers are now in FCC's headlights, so to speak, and
are in danger of being seized, or causing you a
fine. But, again, you are still right so long as you
don't call attention to those "illegal" radios/amps.
They could sit there forever----just as you said.

J

Yet you encouraged people to use amateur radios for their CB
operations just a while back, Jerry. Those radios put out way too much
power (100 watts PEP vs 12 watts PEP legal limit) and would cause even
more interference if people took your advice!



Would you point out where/when/how I encouraged the
use of Amateur equipment on CB? I simply don't recall
having done such--particularly since I never talk on CB
except very rare occasions. If you have the archival evidence, I would LOVE
to see it. I am not here to argue with you, just to set it straight and
will readily admit
it *IF* I said such a thing. Please provide the exact quote where I said
that.


The way I read the reg, again not to argue with you, there is nothing
illegal about having questionable (?) equipment
in one's possession. However, it states that if such equipment is found, it
will be assumed to have been used
in conjunction with your CB equipment. After all, FCC
doesn't go around looking for "illegal" equipment; as long
as it is not used (such as an amp), the question is moot.
How are they to know *if* you have such equipment? It
is not illegal until you USE it. Am I wrongly reading the
following section?

[1] It is in your possession or on your premises;

That, of course, is predicated on "OTHER" evidence which, I am thinking,
would be the use of a CB set with
an amplifier. If they have this "evidence". it would be in the form of DF,
spectral analysis, or other monitoring, in
which case, is the "other evidence" that, IMHO, is meant
by the additional paragraphs. Someone else have a better take on this?



Jerry

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message . ..
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...
(twistedhed) wrote in message
om...
You are being targeted for busts in 2004. You keykweenz are going to
get nailed. Read below and get ready to feel the heat. We can't wait
to post the FCC notices on the NG, it will be great fun.

Make certain to laugh when one of your ham friends goes down, too. We
might believe that you're unbiased if you do so. (that'll be the day!)

FCC rule 2.815(b): After APR 27, 1978, no person shall manufacture,
sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for
sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of
selling or leasing or offering for sale or lease, any external radio
frequency amplifier or amplifier kit capable of operation on any
frequency or frequencies between 24 and 35 MHz.

Signed,

Your Losers and Faggots, the AKC

Equipment in and of itself and mere possession of such equipment is
not illegal. Only certain uses of some equipment can be considered
illegal. No matter what you would like to believe.

I could have an entire house full of amplifiers and the FCC couldn't
touch them without presenting PROOF of illegal use. Read the CB rules,



Yes, (I'm not part of the antis-)

I have never equated you with the morons who call themselves "akc". I
may not completely believe that you are "unbaised", but you're head
and shoulders above those cockroaches.

you can have lots of illegal amps and
not
get cited. And you could "collect" them on a shelf to keep forever. If
you
have not committed some *other* infraction, then it is a moot point.
You
have to do something to get FCC's attention
to start with. Then the rules (Rule 10 and 11) apply and *could* cause
you a
'rathuh sticky wicket, eh wot" as the old Brit aristrocrats used to say.
And the rule (and it has been quoted many times) states as follows:


RULE 10 - Power Output
{A} Your CB station transmitter power output must not exceed the
following values under any conditions:
AM [Amplitude Modulation] - 4 watts carrier power [CP]
SSB [Single Side-Band] - 12 watts peak envelope power [PEP]
{B} If you need more information about the power rule, see Part
95/
Subpart E.
{C} Use of a transmitter which has carrier [CP] or peak envelope
power
[PEP]in excess of that authorized voids your authority to operate the
station.
RULE 11 - Linear Amplifiers
{A} You may not attach the following items (power amplifiers) to
your
type-accepted CB transmitter in any way:
[1] External radio frequency [RF] power amplifiers, also called
linear
amplifiers, or linears;
or
[2] Any other devices which, when used with a radio transmitter as
a
signal source, are capable of amplifying the signal.
{B} There are no exceptions to this rule and use of a power
amplifier
voids your authority to operate the station.
{C} The FCC will presume you have used a linear or other external
[RF]
power amplifier if-
[1] It is in your possession or on your premises; and

Make that AND (all caps), to be correct as per FCC Rule 95.411(C)

That means there must be additional legal evidence, not simply
possession. Something that Georgie-girl and DouGay deliberately will
not understand.

[2] There is OTHER EVIDENCE that you have operated your CB station
with more power than allowed by CB Rule 10.
{D} Paragraph C above in this section does not apply if you hold a
license in another radio service (HAM, etc.) which allows you to operate
an
external RF power amplifier.



So, you can see that it is Rule ll, sec 1 that could
bring about that "sticky wicket".

Not correct. BOTH sections have to be satisfied before any legal
infraction has been committed, not just one part. In fact, it's sec 2
that might be a "sticky wicket". Sec 1 has no teeth by itself.

By getting atten-
tion called to *some* other activities, those ampli-
fiers are now in FCC's headlights, so to speak, and
are in danger of being seized, or causing you a
fine. But, again, you are still right so long as you
don't call attention to those "illegal" radios/amps.
They could sit there forever----just as you said.

J

Yet you encouraged people to use amateur radios for their CB
operations just a while back, Jerry. Those radios put out way too much
power (100 watts PEP vs 12 watts PEP legal limit) and would cause even
more interference if people took your advice!



Would you point out where/when/how I encouraged the
use of Amateur equipment on CB? I simply don't recall
having done such--particularly since I never talk on CB
except very rare occasions. If you have the archival evidence, I would LOVE
to see it. I am not here to argue with you, just to set it straight and
will readily admit
it *IF* I said such a thing. Please provide the exact quote where I said
that.

I must confess that I haven't yet found it, but you did say something
to that effect. It's been a couple of months since that post.

Perhaps "encouraged" is too strong a word, even "recommended" might
be. IIRC, the thread was about either "splatterbox amps" or export
radios (both of which have always been illegal for use on CB, of
course) and you suggested (?) that folks use converted amateur radios;
perhaps with the best of intentions, figuring that ham radios have
better filtering than CBs, exports, and amps do. I made a comment at
the time (wondering aloud whether 100 watts PEP might not cause even
more interference than 12 watts PEP), but got zero response from
anybody.

I will continue searching and let you know what I find.


The way I read the reg, again not to argue with you, there is nothing
illegal about having questionable (?) equipment
in one's possession. However, it states that if such equipment is found, it
will be assumed to have been used
in conjunction with your CB equipment. After all, FCC
doesn't go around looking for "illegal" equipment; as long
as it is not used (such as an amp), the question is moot.
How are they to know *if* you have such equipment? It
is not illegal until you USE it. Am I wrongly reading the
following section?

[1] It is in your possession or on your premises;

That, of course, is predicated on "OTHER" evidence which, I am thinking,
would be the use of a CB set with
an amplifier. If they have this "evidence". it would be in the form of DF,
spectral analysis, or other monitoring, in
which case, is the "other evidence" that, IMHO, is meant
by the additional paragraphs. Someone else have a better take on this?



Jerry

Can't quibble with that. The FCC generally doesn't have the manpower
or the budget to send out "agents" to monitor anything but commercial
broadcast stations (which is one of the reasons why amateur radio is
allegedly [and ineffectively] "self policing"). But if they get
complaints, they will check into things.

(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message

-snipper-

I have never equated you with the morons who call themselves "akc". I
may not completely believe that you are "unbaised", but you're head
and shoulders above those cockroaches.

Jerry's a good guy, I agree. Sometimes we get carried away
with this crap, but Jer is a regular guy who isn't here
to harass.

"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within the 40
channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light of the
current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the fed is even
concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long as that
activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when a neighbor
complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote:
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...

Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within the
40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light of the
current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the fed is
even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long as that
activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when a
neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

An HF rig with a good ground and antenna makes less waves than a golden
screwdiver'd CB, any-day.

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within the 40
channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light of the
current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the fed is even
concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long as that
activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when a neighbor
complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within
the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light
of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the
fed is even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long
as that activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)

Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

And then it's to show how silly the stereotypes a "smelly" hams vs leaky
trailer and rusty ole Pontiacs with
twin 102" whips. I don't really mean to insult anybody.


Jerry


"Steveo" wrote in message
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(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within
the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light
of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the
fed is even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long
as that activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens
when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote:
Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

And then it's to show how silly the stereotypes a "smelly" hams vs
leaky trailer and rusty ole Pontiacs with
twin 102" whips. I don't really mean to insult anybody.

Jerry

"Steveo" wrote in message
...
(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs
within the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC
in light of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't
even think the fed is even concerned with the activity within the
40 channels so long as that activity doesn't call attention to it.
Usually it happens
when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message
in question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as
long as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different
from "encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)

Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

I was speaking of your -chicken band, hahaha- references in
the ham groups. It's all good.

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message . ..
Again I may be wrong, but *most* of the time when I do
that it is in response to a troll like the one "Do hams tip".

And then it's to show how silly the stereotypes a "smelly" hams vs leaky
trailer and rusty ole Pontiacs with
twin 102" whips. I don't really mean to insult anybody.


Jerry


"Steveo" wrote in message
...
(Richard Cranium) wrote:
"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message
...
"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om...


Richard,

I believe I DO remember the conversation ! (See there,
I told you I would admit it) and I *think* it had to do with
using the Galaxys and Connex's on the regular 40. (now
since I don't have the correct text, I think (?????) I was
trying to say that if you use the Galaxy and other export rigs within
the 40 channels you would not be likely to run afoul of FCC in light
of the current emphasis on 10 Meter incursions. I don't even think the
fed is even concerned with the activity within the 40 channels so long
as that activity doesn't call attention to it. Usually it happens
when
a neighbor complains..

OH well, whatever I said, I didn't mean to encourage
using ham equipment on the CB bands, etc etc. I hope
you can find that thread; I'd like to read it myself to see
what trouble I've got myself into! LOL!

73

Jerry

It took some digging, but I finally located the thread. The message in
question was dated October 17, 2003.

And I may have overstated your comment; what you said was that you
had no objection to people using modified amateur radios on CB as long
as they stayed out of the ham bands , which is quite different from
"encouraging" people to use them. Mea culpa.

Jerry's hard to figure ($- David Allen Coe). He rips CBer's in
the policy group, but he's ok here at times.. fence sitter, Jer.

What's up with that, Jerry? ;-)


why bring david allen coe into this conversation??? leave homes out
of it....by the way jerry i went and saw cold mountain.....the movie
sucked and it was a waste of $8.00 but i did see where you get that
southern mode of speech that you like to mimick from time to time on
here......thinking i guess that somehow that is a putdown of
truckers........well who cares right??? but the only thing i learned
is that the way you try and be funny mimicking truck drivers talking
is nothing more than sounding like you hillbillys in the carolinas
......nothing more and nothing less.......do you think it would be
appropriate to , ah i believe the term you use is:
'snicker'.......right about now????