"jim" wrote in message
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thats a lot of ifs jerry. doesn't it sound bizarre when one talks about
'agents' monitoring? 1984 anyone???
seperately, this whole talk of trying to dictate 11 meter usage is fine
but unenforceable. listen to the nickel. does anyone really think u.s.
laws will make a difference? in the current climate where most of the
planet says stuff it to the u.s. 11 meters is the least of anyones
worries...

All I was trying to do was to get a correct interpretation of the US
regulations regarding spectrum management within its own territory.
Naturally, we cannot tell other
nations what to do, BUT *certain* issues can be negotiated thru treaties.
Essentially, it is 'you scratch
my back and I'll scratch your'n'. For example, some
little-known country wants grain from the US and that
country is jamming broadcast signals with a powerful
transmitter which messes up domestic stations. Whatcha
gonna do? You negotiate.

Agents monitor everyday--we just don't know it. It's been going on since the
FCC was created. One of the
radio services that has given them the most trouble has
been 11 Meter CB. What happens on "the nickel" can't
be regulated internationally by US law; common sense
would tell us that. But US law DOES apply to US citizens within Conus. If
our laws pertaining to radio, or
anything else for that matter, are unenforceable, then we
are in far more trouble than we know. What people don't
realize is that radio HAS to be regulated, and people have to have *some*
training in its use for it to be effective. All one has to do is look at 11
meters within the USA, not what happens outside, to see what a mess
it is. Regulation, licensing, and enforcement should never
have been done away with. Many of those who think the
regulations can't, wouldn't , shouldn't apply are the ones who truly can't
see the harm that can come to their OWN
use of radio, and, indeed, think we should just do away with any rules and
just talk anywhere we want to. Again
that is because they simply don't know. That is the same
atmosphere that existed in the early days before the Communications Act of
1934; i.e., it's been in that mess before.

Now back to the the rules we were discussing. The regulation we were
studying was the one about whether
one can be cited for having alleged illegal equipment in one's home in
conjunction with a CB-particularly ampli-
fiers. It says that (paraphrased) "if such equipment is found on one's
possession or on the premises, then it will
be presumed to have been used provided that OTHER evidence is found." To
me, that means that the "OTHER" evidence is prior monitoring, spectral
analysis, or other means of inspection) is grounds for warning, citation, or
fine as the case may be.

While "to you", Jim, 11 meters is of no concern, it has
caused some problems to other services. However, *some* operators are more
and more bringing attention to themselves by not respecting the boundaries,
rules, or
"fences" and operating where they will. Suffice it to say that, inspite of
those who scoff and say otherwise, there
are initiatives being considered--some Congressional,
some within FCC itself, some ARRL-sponsored, and some encouraged by
individuals--to curb the abuses brought on by the "unimportant" 11 Meter
issue. And
some of the people complaining are those OUTSIDE the
USA who are being interfered with. Eleven Meters is
not important because of its own constituency that WANTS it to remain
unimportant lest action be taken to
place sanctions upon it.

The rules ARE enforceable within the USA and I can tell
you that, thanks to the issue of 10 Meter intruders, there
are things I know of even as I write this. But let's not get
into a flame war and character asassinations. It is an emotional issue and
only time will tell what comes about.


Jerry

"Jerry Oxendine" wrote in message ...
"jim" wrote in message
...



thats a lot of ifs jerry. doesn't it sound bizarre when one talks about
'agents' monitoring? 1984 anyone???
seperately, this whole talk of trying to dictate 11 meter usage is fine
but unenforceable. listen to the nickel. does anyone really think u.s.
laws will make a difference? in the current climate where most of the
planet says stuff it to the u.s. 11 meters is the least of anyones
worries...

All I was trying to do was to get a correct interpretation of the US
regulations regarding spectrum management within its own territory.
Naturally, we cannot tell other
nations what to do, BUT *certain* issues can be negotiated thru treaties.
Essentially, it is 'you scratch
my back and I'll scratch your'n'. For example, some
little-known country wants grain from the US and that
country is jamming broadcast signals with a powerful
transmitter which messes up domestic stations. Whatcha
gonna do? You negotiate.

Agents monitor everyday--we just don't know it. It's been going on since the
FCC was created. One of the
radio services that has given them the most trouble has
been 11 Meter CB. What happens on "the nickel" can't
be regulated internationally by US law; common sense
would tell us that. But US law DOES apply to US citizens within Conus. If
our laws pertaining to radio, or
anything else for that matter, are unenforceable, then we
are in far more trouble than we know. What people don't
realize is that radio HAS to be regulated, and people have to have *some*
training in its use for it to be effective. All one has to do is look at 11
meters within the USA, not what happens outside, to see what a mess
it is. Regulation, licensing, and enforcement should never
have been done away with. Many of those who think the
regulations can't, wouldn't , shouldn't apply are the ones who truly can't
see the harm that can come to their OWN
use of radio, and, indeed, think we should just do away with any rules and
just talk anywhere we want to. Again
that is because they simply don't know. That is the same
atmosphere that existed in the early days before the Communications Act of
1934; i.e., it's been in that mess before.

Now back to the the rules we were discussing. The regulation we were
studying was the one about whether
one can be cited for having alleged illegal equipment in one's home in
conjunction with a CB-particularly ampli-
fiers. It says that (paraphrased) "if such equipment is found on one's
possession or on the premises, then it will
be presumed to have been used provided that OTHER evidence is found." To
me, that means that the "OTHER" evidence is prior monitoring, spectral
analysis, or other means of inspection) is grounds for warning, citation, or
fine as the case may be.

While "to you", Jim, 11 meters is of no concern, it has
caused some problems to other services. However, *some* operators are more
and more bringing attention to themselves by not respecting the boundaries,
rules, or
"fences" and operating where they will. Suffice it to say that, inspite of
those who scoff and say otherwise, there
are initiatives being considered--some Congressional,
some within FCC itself, some ARRL-sponsored, and some encouraged by
individuals--to curb the abuses brought on by the "unimportant" 11 Meter
issue. And
some of the people complaining are those OUTSIDE the
USA who are being interfered with. Eleven Meters is
not important because of its own constituency that WANTS it to remain
unimportant lest action be taken to
place sanctions upon it.

The rules ARE enforceable within the USA and I can tell
you that, thanks to the issue of 10 Meter intruders, there
are things I know of even as I write this. But let's not get
into a flame war and character asassinations. It is an emotional issue and
only time will tell what comes about.


Jerry

jerry didn't you used to be a truck driver when you were working? i
was just wondering because it does seem like you are always bagging on
truckers.....please explain....

"gw" wrote in message
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Jerry

jerry didn't you used to be a truck driver when you were working? i
was just wondering because it does seem like you are always bagging on
truckers.....please explain....


Gladly!

Yes, I was a truck driver in the 70's for a private company that
manufactured filtering equipment for the
textile industry. I was laid off in 1976, decided not to
return, and eventually entered the railroad industry from
which I retired. It proved to be a good move for me.

WRT radio, I have been involved in radio since I was
10 years old. I was/am into several facets of radio and
got my license(s) at 16. Much of that experience was
in a structured environment--mostly military protocol--
and very little of that time was spend engaging in foolish-
ness. I got my first CB radio at 18 during the years when
there were callsigns, rules, and courteous operators. The
environment was very different around 1966-70. When
the Energy Crisis came along and CB erupted like a volcano, I was appalled
at the abandonment of the previous era's orderly, controlled way of
communicating
and was dismayed at the "outlaw" atmosphere that took its place. Therefore,
I did not install or use CB equip-ment in my own truck(s). By 1979, I had
moved away
from trucks and was fully engaged in the rail industry. I
also obtained my Amateur ticked in 1989 figuring that
since I already had much of the equipment in another legal service, I might
as well fully utilize it ! Please realize(inspite of the hopes to the
contrary)I neither even
picked up a CB mike, nor even listened to CB, much less
"interferred" with any communications whatsoever. Nor
would I ever interfere with truck drivers within the legal
boundaries of CB (or outside it for that matter for fear of
getting into trouble on my own). Only when I learned that
truck drivers (and others) were encroaching on 10 and
12 Meters, did I raise my periscope and take a peek.
These incursions beg the question, "OK, how long will it
be before 10/12 Meters are not enough and they then
begin using 17 Meters?" Certainly, this is not something
that would happen right away, but it could become an issue in the future.
Thus, I, along with many hams, began
to watch for these drivers and turn reports of what we
heard/saw. Many of them don't know that what they are
doing is illegal, and all that is needed is one gentle warning
from the Fed to cause them to stop. *Most* of them would quit it if they
knew they were intruding onto the
licensed ham bands. I have heard hams (when the band was open) actually talk
the drivers to warn that they weren't supposed to be there only to get told
to go "F**k
yourself" and other filthy things. Those hams that do that are actually
making it worse because they themselves would get a warning letter for
using AM on a band reserved for Morse and RTTY. I NEVER answer a call
from a driver; I only listen. I am not "bagging" on truckers. All they
have to do is not encroach onto bands
that they are not authorized. I know truckers work hard.
I know they are only trying to make a living. But they do not have to
"steal" frequencies to do that. They earned a
CDL, not a ham license (of course, they CAN do so and
many have!).

I know people don't believe me, but much of the things I
told you are coming true. FCC was, in effect, AWOL
WRT CB and Amateur Radio in years past.It is not
true now: witness the increasing instances of enforcement
actions (truckers, freebanders, and dealers like Pacetronics, Roper
Electronics, et al).

The solution is simple; just stay OFF bands and frequencies for which you
have no authorization. Have respect for that has been earned by others.
Nobody is
going to "bag" on anyone when they do that. I never
bother a trucker. Only when he keys up on 28 MHZ
does he trip my "radar". Otherwise, he won't hear from
me or most of the other hams that are being interferred with by those who
think they have a "rah't" to 'tawk on
this h'yar 10 meter reddio". Hehe.

Jerry