Curmudgeoned begrudgingly hissed:

train that's the problem.......they don't work

and they are a waste of money....now they are
well constructed , no doubt about it, but let me
see you or anyone else zero in one of those

bad boys and i will stand by. and how do i

know...



User error?


.i have one.....and have tried it and now it is in

the garage in the museum of wasted money

projects......and no one i have ever talked to

has got one to work correctly.



And who have you talked to concerning such? Names or numbers? Try the
manufacturer, young man. Nevertheless, I'll give you 1.98 for it, more
than you can get on ebay for something you broke upon opening.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:50:44 -0500 (EST),
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From: (Randy)
Since he top-posted, I'll do the same. They

work only in the mind of the fool who buys

one.

An electric fence can, and has worked, with enough time, energy and
thought placed into it.

Actually, without a lot of time, energy and thought put into it. As
long as you don't have the "charger" hooked up to it, they make a darn
good shortwave receiving antenna.

From: (Lancer)
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:50:44 -0500 (EST),
(Twistedhed) wrote:
From: (Randy)
Since he top-posted, I'll do the same. They
work only in the mind of the fool who buys
one.
_
=A0=A0An electric fence can, and has worked, with enough time, energy
and thought placed into it.


Actually, without a lot of time, energy and

thought put into it. As long as you don't have

the "charger" hooked up to it, they make a

darn good shortwave receiving antenna.



Yea, but for transmit capabilities, it takes a bit of fiddling. Super
long wire antennas via an electric fence,,,in the shape of a huge "V, of
course.
Drug through the water at a high rate of speed, a weighted 18 foot
copper wire being used as an antenna can receive all kinds of
things..,,,when the boat slows, the receive disappears, even when the
weight is removed.

"Duke Of Windsor" wrote in message
...
Steveo wrote in news:20040120211528.091
:

Duke Of Windsor wrote:
Steveo wrote in
news:20040120201006.419
:

It looks like a keyclowns two meter portable beam to me. Perfect
for jamming repeaters like dogie does. Only difference is the
key-clowns will have their knees in the breeze, and dogie will
be drowning in his own low power swill.


That shows how much you know Steveo, a quick search of this NG will
reveal a guy named Brass who was peddlin these star gun CB antennas.

Umm, did you see how small they are after trimming the vertical
to the happy medium?


I sure did buddie, does look like a uhf beam.


HAHAHAHAH! That's what I thought. It "might" work as a capacity hat, but
it certainly isn't a driven element (the way I see it). It would work as
well as those "ground" plane adapters you see in CB shops with the
rubber-looking thingies sticking out under the whip. That
is nothing but a capacity hat that does little more than shorten the whip.
BUT! It sells antennas to the unwitting
customers who are most anxious to "git out" the best they
can--and even believe that their antenna is working SOOO much better now the
tech(?) installed his "ground"
plane. It is sad that much "truth" is only a myth promoted
by crooked CB shops-like coax length and "broad-banded" BIG coil antennas!
If an antenna is truly efficient, then its bandwidth is actually narrow(er),
but
makers "dicker" with the impedance to widen bandwidth
because it has been taught as gospel in the CB world. It
is also because the sellers know that selling these "broad-
banded" antennas is important so the buyer can have his cake and eat it,
too!

Those BIG coil antennas aren't as efficient as the makers
make them out to be, but they sell antennas because bigger is "better",
right? Lots of smoke and mirrors, eh?

One day I'll tell you the one about the mobile antenna that
had water and/or vinagar in the lower mast. The sales slogan was "Ever
notice how much better your signal is
over water?" Honest!! Oh, I just told you!


Let the buyer beware. If if sounds too good to be true, it
probably is.


Jerry

Jerry,
Those 'thingys' don't shorten the whip, they lengthen
it...
'Doc

Train,
So will a set of bed springs hanging in a tree, work, I
mean. But they 'whistle' a lot on top of a car...
'Doc

JerryO wrote:
It is sad that much "truth" is only a myth

promoted by crooked CB shops-like coax

length and "broad-banded" BIG coil antennas!

Those big coil antennas are for handling megawatts..something your
conventional cb antennas can not do. The antennas work exactly as they
were designed.


If an antenna is truly efficient,


The antennas you speak of have everything more to do with power
capacity. They are designed to take a maximum load for shirt bursts of
time.


then its

bandwidth is actually narrow(er), but

makers "dicker" with the impedance to widen

bandwidth because it has been taught as

gospel in the CB world. It is also because the

sellers know that selling these "broad-

banded" antennas is important so the buyer

can have his cake and eat it, too!




The big coils antennas are made more for power capacity than this
"broadband" you speak of as relating to cb antennas.



Those BIG coil antennas aren't as efficient as

the makers make them out to be,


I beg to differ. Many that say "maximum power is 10,000 watts" means
just that. I wouldn't try 15 or 20 in one of those specified for 10.


but they sell

antennas because bigger is "better", right?



Antennas? Yea,,bigger is better.


Lots of smoke and mirrors, eh?


I find more smoke and mirrors from those who have said "it can't be done
on 27" or "cb dx is only playing hammie radio", etc.. And the list goes
on.


One day I'll tell you the one about the mobile

antenna that had water and/or vinagar in the

lower mast.


I see no difference than the hammie
offering to renew one's call sign,,,,for a fee.
For every cb site you cite as an example, it can be countered with a
boneheaded hammie example. When y'all can live and let live, the world
will be a much better place.


The sales slogan was "Ever notice how much

better your signal is

over water?"



Your signal IS much better over water. I have managed to **** off an
entire contingency of holier-than-thous that thought they had it going
on,,,with nothing more than a kick-azz set up and water, water, and a
whole lot more water!


=A0 Honest!! Oh, I just told you!

=A0=A0Let the buyer beware. If if sounds too good to
be true, it probably is.

Jerry



There are ridiculous claims everywhere. Doug Smith's definitive work
with DSPs countered a few angry hammies discussions in here at several
turns, but no one bothered to point out their errors by illustrating
another hammie's proof via years of working with such processors. I
agree,,,,,Let the buyer beware,,their is tons of bull**** flying in this
forum, yet none of it seems to be said with confidence..LOL!

"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Jerry,
Those 'thingys' don't shorten the whip, they lengthen
it...
'Doc


WHOA, Doc! Capacity hats do NOT lengthen the whip
except in the sense that a hat has the *effect* of lengthening the whip. OR,
said another way, it ALLOWS
a shorter whip to be used at a given frequency.

(Or are we saying the same thing in different words?)

Jerry

"Twistedhed" wrote in message
...
JerryO wrote:
It is sad that much "truth" is only a myth

promoted by crooked CB shops-like coax

length and "broad-banded" BIG coil antennas!

Those big coil antennas are for handling megawatts..something your
conventional cb antennas can not do. The antennas work exactly as they
were designed.
]
I didn't say SAY they did something they were not designed to do. What I
said was that they are NOT broad-banded unless the mfr dickers with the
impedance
to make it cover a wide range of frequencies.

If an antenna is truly efficient,


The antennas you speak of have everything more to do with power
capacity. They are designed to take a maximum load for shirt bursts of
time.

Again, I said nothing about being able to handle huge amounts of power. I am
sure they will, but how many
people USE 10,000 watts in the real world?


then its

bandwidth is actually narrow(er), but

makers "dicker" with the impedance to widen

bandwidth because it has been taught as

gospel in the CB world. It is also because the

sellers know that selling these "broad-

banded" antennas is important so the buyer

can have his cake and eat it, too!

And this broad-bandedness is a very important part of
the sales pitch to the regular CBer or trucker just trying to
get the best performance from their setup.




The big coils antennas are made more for power capacity than this
"broadband" you speak of as relating to cb antennas.

....which IS what I was talking about. The accepted "truth" amongst many CB
folks is that those big coil antennas are not only able to handle gobs of
power, but
will cover 25-29 MHZ as well. In their natural state, they
will not. But mfrs. tinker with it to "make" it cover all these 'freeband'
frequencies while the "Q", or efficiency,
suffers.



Those BIG coil antennas aren't as efficient as

the makers make them out to be,


I beg to differ. Many that say "maximum power is 10,000 watts" means
just that. I wouldn't try 15 or 20 in one of those specified for 10.

Most people don't try for such power. Most of us are happy with 2-25 watts,
or whatever is "normal".


but they sell

antennas because bigger is "better", right?



Antennas? Yea,,bigger is better.

If the only thing you are looking for is Mo Powah!


Lots of smoke and mirrors, eh?


I find more smoke and mirrors from those who have said "it can't be done
on 27" or "cb dx is only playing hammie radio", etc.. And the list goes
on.

I don't know what you mean by that. Who said it can't be done on 27? *I*
never said that, I said that there are many myths and untruths promoted by
dishonest sellers.
What's wrong with that?


One day I'll tell you the one about the mobile

antenna that had water and/or vinagar in the

lower mast.


I see no difference than the hammie
offering to renew one's call sign,,,,for a fee.

.........and those who did so met the wrath of the enforcement division in
the form of re-tests, de-certication
of VE's, and revocations and reversions. AS it should be. I fully support
Riley H's dilligence in shutting down
exam mills.

For every cb site you cite as an example, it can be countered with a
boneheaded hammie example. When y'all can live and let live, the world
will be a much better place.

Not sure what you mean. Why are you so touchy? All I
did was debunk the so-called StarGun antenna, and show that it is NOT a beam
at all.


The sales slogan was "Ever notice how much

better your signal is

over water?"



Your signal IS much better over water. I have managed to **** off an
entire contingency of holier-than-thous that thought they had it going
on,,,with nothing more than a kick-azz set up and water, water, and a
whole lot more water!

I never said it wasn't better over water. What this contraption was a
center-loaded whip. The lower mast
was filled with water or vinegar. The implication that the
antenna worked better with this "water" inside the lower
mast. No such thing. The liquid was PART of the mast
the same as if it were not solid metal. Water inside this
mast has no effect or additional gain. But that slogan implied that their
antenna would work the same as if it were beside a lake!


Honest!! Oh, I just told you!

Let the buyer beware. If if sounds too good to
be true, it probably is.

Jerry



There are ridiculous claims everywhere. Doug Smith's definitive work
with DSPs countered a few angry hammies discussions in here at several
turns, but no one bothered to point out their errors by illustrating
another hammie's proof via years of working with such processors. I
agree,,,,,Let the buyer beware,,their is tons of bull**** flying in this
forum, yet none of it seems to be said with confidence..LOL!

Jerry