"Steve Stone" wrote in message ...
I don't think a batch of newcomers can unleash any more unholy blasphemy
onto the HF bands then what has already been said and done.

Most of the conversations I've heard on HF sound like rowdy barroom talk or
a bunch old maids sitting around on deflated hemorrhoid cushions complaining
about poor health and cat food.

whoopti do.........a lousy 100 watts on hf.......oh let me bow low and
kiss your feet rf gods for allowing a lowly american to use a hundred
freekin watts on my hf radio system........oh thank you
fcc........thank you a lot. man these guys just don't like letting go
of their power do they? what a insult.(but my neighbors appreciate
this fact i am sure). (one period for jim)

On 23 Jan 2004 20:33:50 -0800, (gw) wrote:

"Steve Stone" wrote in message ...
I don't think a batch of newcomers can unleash any more unholy blasphemy
onto the HF bands then what has already been said and done.

Most of the conversations I've heard on HF sound like rowdy barroom talk or
a bunch old maids sitting around on deflated hemorrhoid cushions complaining
about poor health and cat food.

whoopti do.........a lousy 100 watts on hf.......oh let me bow low and
kiss your feet rf gods for allowing a lowly american to use a hundred
freekin watts on my hf radio system........oh thank you
fcc........thank you a lot. man these guys just don't like letting go
of their power do they? what a insult.(but my neighbors appreciate
this fact i am sure). (one period for jim)

100 watts, where did that come from?

Lancer wrote in message . ..
On 23 Jan 2004 20:33:50 -0800, (gw) wrote:

"Steve Stone" wrote in message ...
I don't think a batch of newcomers can unleash any more unholy blasphemy
onto the HF bands then what has already been said and done.

Most of the conversations I've heard on HF sound like rowdy barroom talk or
a bunch old maids sitting around on deflated hemorrhoid cushions complaining
about poor health and cat food.

whoopti do.........a lousy 100 watts on hf.......oh let me bow low and
kiss your feet rf gods for allowing a lowly american to use a hundred
freekin watts on my hf radio system........oh thank you
fcc........thank you a lot. man these guys just don't like letting go
of their power do they? what a insult.(but my neighbors appreciate
this fact i am sure). (one period for jim)

100 watts, where did that come from?

i think they are getting rid of the code, and allowing newbies on the
hf bands but only at 100 watts...whew!! so now leland can talk most
places but can't be heard.......too bad.....

gw wrote:
"Steve Stone" wrote in message ...

I don't think a batch of newcomers can unleash any more unholy blasphemy
onto the HF bands then what has already been said and done.

Most of the conversations I've heard on HF sound like rowdy barroom talk or
a bunch old maids sitting around on deflated hemorrhoid cushions complaining
about poor health and cat food.


whoopti do.........a lousy 100 watts on hf.......oh let me bow low and
kiss your feet rf gods for allowing a lowly american to use a hundred
freekin watts on my hf radio system........oh thank you
fcc........thank you a lot. man these guys just don't like letting go
of their power do they? what a insult.(but my neighbors appreciate
this fact i am sure). (one period for jim)

..

"gw" wrote in message
om...
"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...
I don't think a batch of newcomers can unleash any more unholy blasphemy
onto the HF bands then what has already been said and done.

Most of the conversations I've heard on HF sound like rowdy barroom
talk or
a bunch old maids sitting around on deflated hemorrhoid cushions
complaining
about poor health and cat food.

whoopti do.........a lousy 100 watts on hf.......oh let me bow low and
kiss your feet rf gods for allowing a lowly american to use a hundred
freekin watts on my hf radio system........oh thank you
fcc........thank you a lot. man these guys just don't like letting go
of their power do they? what a insult.(but my neighbors appreciate
this fact i am sure). (one period for jim)



????????????? It is FIFTEEN HUNDRED watts for *most* bands, but why is that
such a big deal? I can easily work the world with 100 watts or less. I have
a
650 watt (swang?) mobile amp sitting on the shelf. I don't
use it because I don't need to. I don't have the BIG POWAH ego of many hams
AND CBers that MUST have the biggest signal to compensate for other
inadequa-
cies. AND, there is a rule in the Amatuer Service that goes somelike this
(paraphrase): "One should use only the
amount of power necessary to establish and maintain contact with a maximum
of 1500 watts. It also means that one *could* be cited (tho I know of no one
who has) for
using "excess" power--whatever value that may be, which, I assume, is up to
FCC's discretion. In what is considered *normal* conversation, if one
station is being
heard with 100 watts with ease, and the other is using
1000 watts because he just "wants" to, then that is considered excessive.

There is a difference in interpretation in CB and ham radio. For the CBer
(and this is NOT some sort of "cut"), people seem to think that a
conversation is about
"winning" some sort of battle via "louder and prouder" than one's opponent"
(?), or having mo' watts than the other fella, etc. Amateur Radio is
supposed to be about
experimenting, learning how propagation works, and using power judiciously.
Does it always happen that way? No. Human nature, being what it is, has a
competetive element, and some operators take that to extreme. And, yes,
the group of CB ops here that I talk to do it within the law. They aren't
interested in BIG signals all over everywhere; they just want to talk to
their
buddies and that's it. Plenty of hams run around 100 watts because it is
what the radios are designed for. For some of us, it just isn't worth all
the hassle and expense to
have a BIG amp when 100 watts will do all that is needed. With that 100
watts, I have worked Russia, Estonia, Serbia, Europe, S Africa, Australia,
Hawaii,
and all kinds of S. American countries. Didn't no BIG
WATTS to do it.


Jerry

JerryO wrote:
There is a difference in interpretation in CB

and ham radio. For the CBer (and this is NOT

some sort of "cut"), people seem to think that

a conversation is about

"winning" some sort of battle via "louder and

prouder" than one's opponent" (?), or having

mo' watts than the other fella, etc.





From the instant a non-cber turns on a cb, to fiddling with it for a few
days,,,,one thing is noticed,,,power is more range on cb, so that is
probably why folks think that way,,,,,it's the way it is.




Amateur Radio is supposed to be about

experimenting, learning how propagation

works, and using power judiciously. Does it

always happen that way? No. Human nature,

being what it is, has a competetive element,

and some operators take that to extreme. And,
yes, the group of CB ops here that I talk to do

it within the law. They aren't interested in BIG

signals all over everywhere; they just want to

talk to their

buddies and that's it.




Propagation can not be controlled. If they want to talk to their
buddies, assuming they are locals, they need wait their turn g (until
the heavy skip is gone).



Plenty of hams run

around 100 watts because it is what the radios
are designed for.




Plenty of cbers run barefoot for the same reason.


For some of us, it just isn't worth all the hassle
and expense to

have a BIG amp when 100 watts will do all

that is needed. With that 100 watts, I have

worked Russia, Estonia, Serbia, Europe, S

Africa, Australia, Hawaii,

and all kinds of S. American countries. Didn't

no BIG WATTS to do it.

Jerry

_
NOW you're talking my favorite game,,,low power dx,,,but heck, Jerry, I
long ago grew bored doing the world on 100 watts,,,,it wasn't even a
challenge any more......100 watts for across the pond contact is like
dropping a cluster bomb on citizens
because we're looking for someone who may have done something in the
future to endanger our,,,,,umm,,,,what would he have endangered again,
that had to do with us? You get my drift,,,,overkill : )
Try it with 3, 4 or 5 watt maximum,,,,,then try AM,,,then try FM,,,all
with single digit wattage capacity. When you make that contact across
the deep blue sea, experiment and see just how low you can go with the
wattage and try different modes, antennas, radios, etc.

In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

snip
Try it with 3, 4 or 5 watt maximum,,,,,then try AM,,,then try FM,,,all
with single digit wattage capacity. When you make that contact across
the deep blue sea, experiment and see just how low you can go with the
wattage and try different modes, antennas, radios, etc.


Working the pond with three watts on a skip band isn't much of a challenge at
all, Dave. Last week I managed to squeeze 74 mW ERP out of my experimental
antenna on 162.5 kHz (and in case I didn't 'learn' you well enough the first
time, that's KILO-Hertz, not MEGA-Hertz) and someone picked up my beacon in SLC.
Now THAT'S a challenge!






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From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
snip
Try it with 3, 4 or 5 watt maximum,,,,,then try AM,,,then try FM,,,all
with single digit wattage capacity. When you make that contact across
the deep blue sea, experiment and see just how low you can go with the
wattage and try different modes, antennas, radios, etc.


Working the pond with three watts on a skip

band isn't much of a challenge at all, Dave.


Lemme learn ya',,,my name is Dave as much as you aren't N7VCF. Careful,
now.
And "working the pond" would refer to just what? Across the ocean?
Shoot, opposed to JerryO doing it on a 100 watts,,,yes, it most
certainly is much more of a challenge doing "the pond" in such a manner.

Last week I managed to squeeze 74 mW ERP
out of my experimental antenna on 162.5 kHz


Congrats. It wasn't done on the fave of all HF bands, so it doesn't
interest myself in the manner it whets your enthusiasm.


(and in case I didn't 'learn' you well enough the
first time, that's KILO-Hertz, not MEGA-Hertz)


See above.


and someone picked up my beacon in SLC.

Now THAT'S a challenge!


How low can you go? There are very interesting things taking place
experimental-wise way down where only the freaks frequent.
Have you ever talked to an Emperor of a foreign country? An American
head of state in Sri Lanka? Both confirmed with cards and one of the
contacts was done on the freeband...real nice official card
received....American celeb hammies and the like don't impress
me,,,,perhaps if they were using a handheld near Victoria Falls I'd be
more inclined. Low power long distance is where it's at,,,except on the
bowl and tracks, of course.


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In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:

From: (Frank*Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
snip
Try it with 3, 4 or 5 watt maximum,,,,,then try AM,,,then try FM,,,all
with single digit wattage capacity. When you make that contact across
the deep blue sea, experiment and see just how low you can go with the
wattage and try different modes, antennas, radios, etc.


Working the pond with three watts on a skip

band isn't much of a challenge at all, Dave.


Lemme learn ya',,,my name is Dave as much as you aren't N7VCF. Careful,
now.


Careful yourself. I'm not N7VCF. I have proven it many, many times. Many people
in this newsgroup know this to be true. In fact, a couple years ago I bought a
scrapper Heathkit from Jerry O. -- why don't you ask him where he shipped it? I
suppose if you are nice about it (ha!) he would give you my full address, which
is in Spokane. I'm not N7VCF. Get over it.


And "working the pond" would refer to just what? Across the ocean?


Duh.


Shoot, opposed to JerryO doing it on a 100 watts,,,yes, it most
certainly is much more of a challenge doing "the pond" in such a manner.


What does that mean, "...opposed to JerryO doing it on a 100 watts..."? Do I
need to 'learn' you, a "professional journalist", in proper grammer again?


Last week I managed to squeeze 74 mW ERP
out of my experimental antenna on 162.5 kHz


Congrats. It wasn't done on the fave of all HF bands, so it doesn't
interest myself in the manner it whets your enthusiasm.


No, I don't suppose you take much interest in anything that may challenge you
physically, emotionally or mentally (as exemplified by your ignorance of both
grammer and radio fundamentals).


(and in case I didn't 'learn' you well enough the
first time, that's KILO-Hertz, not MEGA-Hertz)


See above.


and someone picked up my beacon in SLC.

Now THAT'S a challenge!


How low can you go? There are very interesting things taking place
experimental-wise way down where only the freaks frequent.


Us "freaks" are accomplishing things that you couldn't comprehend. And at least
a couple of us "freaks" is playing on freqs around 0.01 Hz, although there is
increasing interest in VLF from 3 to 9 kHz.


Have you ever talked to an Emperor of a foreign country?


I'll bet they talk to a lot of people. Not much point in talking to them,
though, since most of them don't even listen to their own constituants.


An American
head of state in Sri Lanka?


.....hmmmm, when was the last time a US President visited Sri Lanka....


Both confirmed with cards and one of the
contacts was done on the freeband...real nice official card
received..


If you want I'll send you a QSL card that confirms you contacted Santa Claus on
the freeband. BFD.


..American celeb hammies and the like don't impress
me,,


Nor me.


,,perhaps if they were using a handheld near Victoria Falls I'd be
more inclined. Low power long distance is where it's at,,,except on the
bowl and tracks, of course.


Yet 1000 miles on 74 mW doesn't even ruffle your feathers. Right. Sure. Whatever
you say, Dave.






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From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote:
From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
In ,
(Twistedhed) wrote: snip
Try it with 3, 4 or 5 watt maximum,,,,,then try AM,,,then try FM,,,all
with single digit wattage capacity. When you make that contact across
the deep blue sea, experiment and see just how low you can go with the
wattage and try different modes, antennas, radios, etc.

Working the pond with three watts on a skip

band isn't much of a challenge at all, Dave.

Lemme learn ya',,,my name is Dave as much
as you aren't N7VCF. Careful,
now.

Careful yourself. I'm not N7VCF.


Then neither of us have anything to cry about when one of us refers to
the other as such.
Unlike yourself, I need not point to others for validation.


I have proven it many, many times.


the only thing you have proven many, many times, is what a liar you are
and what a troll you are. Take f'rinstance the fact that on certain
words, sometimes you mis-spell them, sometimes you don't. Hey, don't
froth at the snout at me,,,I merely point things like this out.


Many

people in this newsgroup know this to be true.


JerryO doesn't constitute "many." Name three more, two after that, and
you may be approaching "many" status in your two minion's eyes, no one
elses. Nevertheless,
it would also serve so that you may not be looked upon as posting
another lie just to try and refetch some of that dead ego I took from
you....you know, since YOU feel it to be of such pertinent relation that
you had to bring such nonsense to word.


In fact, a couple years ago I bought a scrapper
Heathkit from Jerry O. -- why don't you ask

him where he shipped it? I suppose if you are

nice about it (ha!) he would give you my full

address, which is in Spokane. I'm not N7VCF.



If Jerry would give out someone's address that he acquired via a private
business deal for the mere asking, he is a lowlife...,,,but then again,
if he is running to your corner to back anything you say, as opposed to
you looking to him for validation,,,,...

Get over it.


LOL,,,,,you are the one getting all worked up, as usual, over the
reference. You should try and emulate me when attempting your lack of
communication skills, as I never became hostile with you over your
referring to me as Dave McCambell. Why would I? We have you for that
when you are called Frank C. Gillinad,,,that, in addition to you
answering for posts directed toward him.

_
And "working the pond" would refer to just what? Across the ocean?


Duh.



Shoot, opposed to JerryO doing it on a 100 watts,,,yes, it most
certainly is much more of a challenge doing "the pond" in such a manner.


What does that mean, "...opposed to JerryO

doing it on a 100 watts..."?


Your communication deficit is full blown today.
It means, just waht it says...hahaha!
See, YOU took my comment to Jerry about working
the world with 3 watts and misappropriated it here. Your ignorance has
you ignoring Jerry's comment concerning working with 100 watts around
the world, in whicih I replied with a post about 3 watts,..you
know,,,,the one that has you drooling and scratching your filthy tshirt.
See what you can learn when force fed.....!

Do I need to 'learn' you, a "professional

journalist", in proper grammer again?


CB "grammer" (SIC) isn't proper, and Gillinad can spell "grammar." You
spell like Dave Hall or Geogre. Those two infamously, continually and
repeatedly spell like second graders that were held back. Of course, you
aer aware of that g. When you can learn proper communication
technique. c'mon back and you won't have it so bad. Until then, feel
free to copy my smoke!