I agree totally. I am really looking foreword to getting my general. I
don't mind the work of learning CW. I have both the G4FON and CodeQuick. I
highly recommend the G4FON. I do use the CodeQuick if I find myself getting
stuck or mixing up close or opposite sounds. I think that code should be
required for the HF licenses. At 5WPM the people that really want it will
work for it. If the ARRL does get the license changed so no-code gets some
HF privileges, so be it. As long as folks stay where they belong in the
band, things should still go ok. Its those select few that can screw it up.
If you don't want to learn code, fine. But stay where you belong. As for me,
it will be fun to know the code. I have a nephew that is wanting to learn it
is well. He is currently studying for his tech license and will be joining
me soon after that when he learns the code as well. This is a fun hobby.
Its great to meet the people, talk to the older folks who started this out,
and talk to others just getting into it as I am. Please don't wreck it for
us newbies.
73
Doug / KC8YEC

Dee D. Flint wrote in message
gy.com...

"Old School" wrote in message
...
I applaud you for wanting to do it the old school way. Nothing wrong
with that. I want to as well, but time doesnt allow that for me unless
I get time soon.



Odds are it will take the FCC about 2 years to make any changes (if they
make any changes). If you practice 30 minutes per day using the free
G4FON
software, you should be ready to take the code test in about 2 months.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I would highly recommend CodeQuick. I learned Morse Code the "old" way the
first time in 1973, quit using it and completely forgot in matter of days it
seems. Bought CodeQuick and got up to 20 plus in 1993 and didn't fool with
code anymore until 2002. To my utter surprise, what I had learned with
CodeQuick was still there. I still was at 20 plus after about 30 minutes of
refreshing.

It's a most amazing system.

"Doug Birky" wrote in message
...
I agree totally. I am really looking foreword to getting my general. I
don't mind the work of learning CW. I have both the G4FON and CodeQuick.
I
highly recommend the G4FON. I do use the CodeQuick if I find myself
getting
stuck or mixing up close or opposite sounds. I think that code should be
required for the HF licenses. At 5WPM the people that really want it will
work for it. If the ARRL does get the license changed so no-code gets
some
HF privileges, so be it. As long as folks stay where they belong in the
band, things should still go ok. Its those select few that can screw it
up.
If you don't want to learn code, fine. But stay where you belong. As for
me,
it will be fun to know the code. I have a nephew that is wanting to learn
it
is well. He is currently studying for his tech license and will be
joining
me soon after that when he learns the code as well. This is a fun hobby.
Its great to meet the people, talk to the older folks who started this
out,
and talk to others just getting into it as I am. Please don't wreck it
for
us newbies.
73
Doug / KC8YEC

Dee D. Flint wrote in message
gy.com...

"Old School" wrote in message
...
I applaud you for wanting to do it the old school way. Nothing wrong
with that. I want to as well, but time doesnt allow that for me unless
I get time soon.



Odds are it will take the FCC about 2 years to make any changes (if they
make any changes). If you practice 30 minutes per day using the free
G4FON
software, you should be ready to take the code test in about 2 months.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

I learned morse code in the early 80's. (ex KA2RLB). I was an avid ham for
years. I loved contesting, rtty, cw. I never really got much past 20wpm. But
I loved ragchewing in the novice bands where I could pick and choose a
comfortable speed. I was totaly inactive for about 10-12 years and recently
was re-bitten by the "ham radio bug" and obtained a ts430s. Wow, how fast
the cw came back to me!
There have been a lot of changes in ham radio in the last 10 years, mostly
due to computers.
the one thing that has not really changed is morse readers. They still
suck!! hihi.
Then I find out the whole license structure and cw thing. Ok... It sort of
saddend my heart a bit.
Kind of like an end of an era. CW is an antiquated form of communication, no
doubt, however I think there will be CW enthusiasts for many, many years.
People that are steeped in tradidtion. To remember radios early days, etc..
Occasionaly I find myself talking to young kids and (If I can manipulate)
the conversation turns to morse code (wink) I start rattleing thier name off
in morse code (spoken) Dahdidah Didah Da Didididit Dahdidahda, etc etc. Most
kids think its fun when you explain it like it learning a "secret language"
that isnt really to hard to learn!
So......where are all the CW'rs going to be???? I truley think, even if CW
gets totaly abolished it will be around forever.
Just my 2 cents

N2EIK

Dahdidah

--
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"Your never really alone with a schizophrenic."
An unknown comedian.


..

"Doug Birky" wrote in message
...
I agree totally. I am really looking foreword to getting my general. I
don't mind the work of learning CW. I have both the G4FON and CodeQuick.
I
highly recommend the G4FON. I do use the CodeQuick if I find myself
getting
stuck or mixing up close or opposite sounds. I think that code should be
required for the HF licenses. At 5WPM the people that really want it will

work for it. If the ARRL does get the license changed so no-code gets
some
HF privileges, so be it. As long as folks stay where they belong in the
band, things should still go ok. Its those select few that can screw it
up.
If you don't want to learn code, fine. But stay where you belong. As for
me,
it will be fun to know the code. I have a nephew that is wanting to learn
it
is well. He is currently studying for his tech license and will be
joining
me soon after that when he learns the code as well. This is a fun hobby.
Its great to meet the people, talk to the older folks who started this
out,
and talk to others just getting into it as I am. Please don't wreck it
for
us newbies.
73
Doug / KC8YEC

Dee D. Flint wrote in message
gy.com...

"Old School" wrote in message
...
I applaud you for wanting to do it the old school way. Nothing wrong
with that. I want to as well, but time doesnt allow that for me unless
I get time soon.



Odds are it will take the FCC about 2 years to make any changes (if they
make any changes). If you practice 30 minutes per day using the free
G4FON
software, you should be ready to take the code test in about 2 months.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:24:22 GMT, Herman Tibbs
wrote:

Ok, at the time I am a no-code tech but I am working on getting my CW so I
can advance to General. I would prefer to go the "Old School" route as the
people who got me into it also did. I think my 12 year old son is even
challenging me on the CW. If I get it and my general, he goes and gets his
tech. I got news for him. He'd better get ready for the CW cause when I
take it, I am also going to take the Extra class in the same session so he
had better get ready to go General pretty quick (laughing).

On the other hand, I think that it is good that they are trying to make
the hobby more attractive so that more might get into it.

As a result, I do think that more "self-policing" should be practiced as
in every crowd, you have a bad element.

Feel free to e-mail any comments about this posting to me.

73
KC8VJD

I too would like the Old School approach, hence my name here. There
isnt much for VE testing in my area and it conflicts with my schedule
when one is in town. Therefore I have to work while I wait for the
oppertunity to get the time. Thats good you have someone to work with
as well. Not much here locally in the means of Amateurs on any band HF
or VHF/UHF. I wish you and your son luck on the tests.

It is a well known fact that there is at least one other amateur in
the area of an offending user. All it takes is some effort to protect
it. It isnt that hard to report someone. I dont like being called a
knarc, but damnit if someone is going to risk me losing my priviliges
for there actions.

Well I for one have a set of WARC, W5YI, and ARRL VEC badges for sale. I
certainly will not put my signature on your No-code HF license son!!!!

Where will I go now? Well I thought about bailing out altogether. I sold
all my radio equipment and for about a year now, I went silent. But I
decided to get back to my roots and I started designing and building a few
QRP rigs and even a 50 watt kicker! I have now "RE-DONE" my shack with
something you will never be able to do son, homemade equipment! Only thing
in it that is "storebought" is my 1931 key

Oh you can screw up the bands for a while and just like CB drive everyone
nuts, but the new will wear off and there will be a glut of HF gear on the
market in a few years. Those who put nothing in will soon get bored and
bail out.

You will find me where you cannot go! I will be that faint, almost
imperceptible little sound way back there in the back, talking across the
globe on 1 watt on my homebrew antennas and transmitters There will be
no nocoders in my world son I have the ability to design a good enough
RIT and crystal filter to tune you right out LMAO!

And when you have a question or your radio breaks or something doesn't work,
I will be the one who charges you an arm and a leg to fix it ROTFLMAO! And
when you get ready to work "groundwave", I will be glad to tell you how deep
you have to bury your antenna You think having enough money to buy a
radio makes you a ham? LOL, nothing could be farther from the truth.

Mitch
AE4YW

--
"Come by and sit a spell with me at www.volstate.net/~mitch/ "


"Old School" wrote in message
...
Where will you Pro-Coders go now? I have a feeling that all you
against NO-CODE HF will like the new move. You may not like it now,
but you will. If not, will you give up on Amateur Radio like several
have stated they resigned there ARRL commission? There is no proof
that anyone has resigned there ARRL Membership! Was it all talk and no
action? You Pro-Coders are full of it and you know it. If it becomes a
reality, I will be one of many who will get a membership with the ARRL
to take the place of the grumpy old men. 55 years of age and older as
the ARRL reported, so good bye!!!

In article ,
Mitch Dickson wrote:
You think having enough money to buy a radio makes you a ham? LOL,
nothing could be farther from the truth.

There are two types of people in this world, my friend: those who agree
with you, and those who just don't care.

-Beej

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:04:11 -0500, "Mitch Dickson"
wrote:

Well I for one have a set of WARC, W5YI, and ARRL VEC badges for sale. I
certainly will not put my signature on your No-code HF license son!!!!

Where will I go now? Well I thought about bailing out altogether. I sold
all my radio equipment and for about a year now, I went silent. But I
decided to get back to my roots and I started designing and building a few
QRP rigs and even a 50 watt kicker! I have now "RE-DONE" my shack with
something you will never be able to do son, homemade equipment! Only thing
in it that is "storebought" is my 1931 key

Oh you can screw up the bands for a while and just like CB drive everyone
nuts, but the new will wear off and there will be a glut of HF gear on the
market in a few years. Those who put nothing in will soon get bored and
bail out.

You will find me where you cannot go! I will be that faint, almost
imperceptible little sound way back there in the back, talking across the
globe on 1 watt on my homebrew antennas and transmitters There will be
no nocoders in my world son I have the ability to design a good enough
RIT and crystal filter to tune you right out LMAO!

Design a good enough RIT? Sounds like you don't even know what one
is.

This is the dang truth. read it and weep steveo....


Oh you can screw up the bands for a while and just like CB drive everyo
ne
nuts, but the new will wear off and there will be a glut of HF gear on
the
market in a few years. Those who put nothing in will soon get bored an
d
bail out.

You will find me where you cannot go! I will be that faint, almost
imperceptible little sound way back there in the back, talking across t
he
globe on 1 watt on my homebrew antennas and transmitters There will
be
no nocoders in my world son I have the ability to design a good eno
ugh
RIT and crystal filter to tune you right out LMAO!











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Salty Dog wrote:
This is the dang truth. read it and weep steveo....

That means you, crybaby.

There will
be
no nocoders in my world son

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