On 16 Jun 2004 12:13:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

lol remember I said

if you want efficient youd be using a 9 ft whip. even bent over
like a bow the 9 ft is more efficient than a 4 ft loaded open air
coil model.

then asshole said

wrote
Huh......... A bent over 9 foot whip has a very noticeable Loss
compared to a efficient 4 or 5 foot vertical.

now hoople head says

wrote
Modeling, showed that the Max Horizontal field is
broadside to the antenna and Max vertical is more inline with the
direction that its bent. Does your news server carry
alt.binaries.pictures.radio? I put a jpeg of it there.
Red is The Hor field, Black is the Vert

I dont see any big loss there tnom I see only gain gain and more gain.
Yes clip your whip Barney style and point the car in the direction you
want to talk and you got gain, no illegal amp needed lol

You don't see any gain compared to a vertical 1/4 antenna from that
plot. All you see are far field patterns. Try again Dimwit.

On 16 Jun 2004 12:13:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

lol remember I said

if you want efficient youd be using a 9 ft whip. even bent over
like a bow the 9 ft is more efficient than a 4 ft loaded open air
coil model.

then asshole said

wrote
Huh......... A bent over 9 foot whip has a very noticeable Loss
compared to a efficient 4 or 5 foot vertical.

now hoople head says

wrote
Modeling, showed that the Max Horizontal field is
broadside to the antenna and Max vertical is more inline with the
direction that its bent. Does your news server carry
alt.binaries.pictures.radio? I put a jpeg of it there.
Red is The Hor field, Black is the Vert

I dont see any big loss there tnom I see only gain gain and more gain.
Yes clip your whip Barney style and point the car in the direction you
want to talk and you got gain, no illegal amp needed lol

I didn't write "modeling....." from above, but it is common sense that
when an antenna rotates away from its vertical polarization it also
rotates away from its original vertical gain.

On 16 Jun 2004 12:30:47 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

Hey tnom and lancer you have proven Barney Phife was pretty cool he
knew the secret of adding gain AND obeying the law. Just bend a 9 ft
whip like a bow in the direction you want to talk. No amps no 4 ft
open air coil antennas for him lol

I'm not surprised that you believe that.

In , Lancer
wrote:

snip
Steve;
I didn't play with it all that much to see which direction it
talked the best. Modeling, showed that the Max Horizontal field is
broadside to the antenna and Max vertical is more inline with the
direction that its bent. Does your news server carry
alt.binaries.pictures.radio? I put a jpeg of it there.
Red is The Hor field, Black is the Vert


I got the day off so I took the truck out in the field, did a
Barney-bend to the windshield-wiper, and did a 10 degree (36-point)
field-strength test. Your jpeg is pretty close to what I got, except:
I see sharper lobes; the measured horizontal was weaker relative to
the vertical (possibly due to a higher take-off angle -- FSM was about
200' downrange), and; forward has more gain than aft (not forgetting
that my mount is on the bow). While driving the truck in a circle for
the tests I noticed that some stations would null.

My guess is that the Barney-bend acts like a loop antenna with its
characteristic null, but because it is only a half-loop it has a
horizontal component.

We really should summon Jay for this discussion.






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On 16 Jun 2004 13:01:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

in wrote:

On 16 Jun 2004 12:13:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

lol remember I said

if you want efficient youd be using a 9 ft whip. even bent over
like a bow the 9 ft is more efficient than a 4 ft loaded open air
coil model.

then asshole said

wrote
Huh......... A bent over 9 foot whip has a very noticeable Loss
compared to a efficient 4 or 5 foot vertical.

now hoople head says

wrote
Modeling, showed that the Max Horizontal field is
broadside to the antenna and Max vertical is more inline with the
direction that its bent. Does your news server carry
alt.binaries.pictures.radio? I put a jpeg of it there.
Red is The Hor field, Black is the Vert

I dont see any big loss there tnom I see only gain gain and more
gain.
Yes clip your whip Barney style and point the car in the direction
you
want to talk and you got gain, no illegal amp needed lol

I didn't write "modeling....." from above, but it is common sense
that
when an antenna rotates away from its vertical polarization it also
rotates away from its original vertical gain.


This is really bizare Tnom and Lancer post within minutes of each
other and both from ax.com too lol. I tell you what tnom or lancer or
whatever you call youself now you need to model a 4 foot open coil
type antenna sitting on a Barney police car and compare it to a full 9
ft in a Barney Bend configuration on the same police car. No
watergates and whistling auuudio into echo mikes and watching the
swang do it right this time.

LOL!! what a dumbass, you don't know what ax.com is? Damn, We are
both Frank too, he posts with ax.com..


What a dimwit.

On 16 Jun 2004 13:01:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

in wrote:

On 16 Jun 2004 12:13:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

lol remember I said

if you want efficient youd be using a 9 ft whip. even bent over
like a bow the 9 ft is more efficient than a 4 ft loaded open air
coil model.

then asshole said

wrote
Huh......... A bent over 9 foot whip has a very noticeable Loss
compared to a efficient 4 or 5 foot vertical.

now hoople head says

wrote
Modeling, showed that the Max Horizontal field is
broadside to the antenna and Max vertical is more inline with the
direction that its bent. Does your news server carry
alt.binaries.pictures.radio? I put a jpeg of it there.
Red is The Hor field, Black is the Vert

I dont see any big loss there tnom I see only gain gain and more
gain.
Yes clip your whip Barney style and point the car in the direction
you
want to talk and you got gain, no illegal amp needed lol

I didn't write "modeling....." from above, but it is common sense
that
when an antenna rotates away from its vertical polarization it also
rotates away from its original vertical gain.


This is really bizare Tnom and Lancer post within minutes of each
other and both from ax.com too lol. I tell you what tnom or lancer or
whatever you call youself now you need to model a 4 foot open coil
type antenna sitting on a Barney police car and compare it to a full 9
ft in a Barney Bend configuration on the same police car. No
watergates and whistling auuudio into echo mikes and watching the
swang do it right this time.


By the way I already did a open coil simulation, the links were in one
of my first posts to this thread. The same links you read when you
responded to tnom about his tests.

In , Lancer
wrote:

On 16 Jun 2004 13:01:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

in wrote:

On 16 Jun 2004 12:13:45 -0700, (I Am Not
George) wrote:

lol remember I said

if you want efficient youd be using a 9 ft whip. even bent over
like a bow the 9 ft is more efficient than a 4 ft loaded open air
coil model.

then asshole said

wrote
Huh......... A bent over 9 foot whip has a very noticeable Loss
compared to a efficient 4 or 5 foot vertical.

now hoople head says

wrote
Modeling, showed that the Max Horizontal field is
broadside to the antenna and Max vertical is more inline with the
direction that its bent. Does your news server carry
alt.binaries.pictures.radio? I put a jpeg of it there.
Red is The Hor field, Black is the Vert

I dont see any big loss there tnom I see only gain gain and more
gain.
Yes clip your whip Barney style and point the car in the direction
you
want to talk and you got gain, no illegal amp needed lol

I didn't write "modeling....." from above, but it is common sense
that
when an antenna rotates away from its vertical polarization it also
rotates away from its original vertical gain.


This is really bizare Tnom and Lancer post within minutes of each
other and both from ax.com too lol. I tell you what tnom or lancer or
whatever you call youself now you need to model a 4 foot open coil
type antenna sitting on a Barney police car and compare it to a full 9
ft in a Barney Bend configuration on the same police car. No
watergates and whistling auuudio into echo mikes and watching the
swang do it right this time.

LOL!! what a dumbass, you don't know what ax.com is? Damn, We are
both Frank too, he posts with ax.com..


What a dimwit.


That's Twisty-logic. He thought Leland and myself were the same person
because we both posted through Supernews.






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when an antenna rotates away from its vertical polarization it also
rotates away from its original vertical gain.


This is really bizare Tnom and Lancer post within minutes of each
other and both from ax.com too lol. I tell you what tnom or lancer or
whatever you call youself now you need to model a 4 foot open coil
type antenna sitting on a Barney police car and compare it to a full 9
ft in a Barney Bend configuration on the same police car. No
watergates and whistling auuudio into echo mikes and watching the
swang do it right this time.

Are you paranoid.

iamnotlancer

lol here is the barney bend


http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/D...ayberryPD2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/D...-Delmont88.jpg