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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:37:07 GMT, "AKC KennelMaster"
wrote: Got the hatches battened down? I hope you guys get lucky with this one. Maybe the overnight Cuba crossing will give you a break. At any rate, good luck, and keep your head down!!!!! Assuming, of course, that he really lives there....... Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:07:20 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:37:07 GMT, "AKC KennelMaster" wrote: Got the hatches battened down? I hope you guys get lucky with this one. Maybe the overnight Cuba crossing will give you a break. At any rate, good luck, and keep your head down!!!!! Assuming, of course, that he really lives there....... Of course he does. What on earth would make you think he lied? -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:50:12 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:07:20 -0400, Dave Hall wrote in : On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:37:07 GMT, "AKC KennelMaster" wrote: Got the hatches battened down? I hope you guys get lucky with this one. Maybe the overnight Cuba crossing will give you a break. At any rate, good luck, and keep your head down!!!!! Assuming, of course, that he really lives there....... Of course he does. What on earth would make you think he lied? Gee, I don't know...... An anonymous NIC, no accountability, several lies spewed forth, a sociopathic personality. I guess he's beyond reproach..... What was I thinking? Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:49:48 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote: CB IS anonymous, it's going to stay that way, get over the gastric pain it causes you. And that is the main reason why there are so many malcontents on there. Even the youngest, still wet-behind-the-ears hooligan will tell you that they tend to partake in more mischief if they have less of a chance of being caught. That one would seek to mete out "accountability" for posting one's opinion in usenet illustrates a freak, dude! Not at all. If you are attempting to pass yourself and your opinions off in a serious discussion, with any sort of credibility, you have to be accountable for what you say. It doesn't take any special courage or daring to make inflammatory comments while hiding behind an anonymous handle. Why should anyone take what a person like that says seriously, when they don't have the character to identify themselves? What type accountability is it you wish to foster upon those who dare say something on usenet with which you may disagree? There is nothing wrong with a healthy disagreement. But when you make unfounded character assassinations against those you disagree with and then run and hide behind your cloak of anonymity, that's not the sign of a mature person. Having your identity known, at least tempers the temptation to act like a retard. And to answer your question,,,you weren't thinking, Davie, you never do,,,,it's what is responsible for your foot in mouth disease and unfettered anger toward cb anonymity. You gave up your anonymity and are ****ed at those who didn't Not at all. I stand behind what I say, and I have the credibility and accountability to say so in a serious and mature manner. If I misbehave like the hordes of anonymous posters on this group, it becomes a simple matter to rectify the situation. Not so when you're anonymous and take advantage of the many network tools to conceal your origin. So it allows "bad" people to continue to be "bad". ,,,,,who had the smarts to follow their ISP suggestions and all security experts and NOT post on the internet with their real name to a group dealing with a hobby where no ones identity is revealed. No one has suggested anything of the sort. The only thing that they warn is not to give out personal information such as social security numbers and such. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. Add to the fact that you can no longer partake in your old haunts and dx on cb because someone would probably turn your azz in...if you weren't such a jerkoff and were cool with people, you could operate with no fear and talk dx on cb with the rest of us who enjoy it. I never liked talking DX on CB after the first hundred or so contacts that I made almost 30 years ago. DX is nothing more than a source of irritation to me, as the noise level prevents comfortable local chit-chatting. Any desire that I might have to talk long distance can easily be taken care of LEGALLY on the ham bands, so your conjecture is like many of your others, just plain wrong. BTW, Who is Kim T. Hall? Oh, and you might not believe this, but I'm glad that you survived the storm. I don't like to see bad things happen to anyone. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:49:48 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote: CB IS anonymous, it's going to stay that way, get over the gastric pain it causes you. And that is the main reason why there are so many malcontents on there. Perhaps, perhaps not, but that is neither here nor there, and a problem of yours. Stop trying to make it someone elses problem. Even the youngest, still wet-behind-the-ears hooligan will tell you that they tend to partake in more mischief if they have less of a chance of being caught. It's sad that your trust in fellow man has eroded to such a point. Most of us look for the good in people, not the bad. _ That one would seek to mete out "accountability" for posting one's opinion in usenet illustrates a freak, dude! Not at all. If you are attempting to pass yourself and your opinions off in a serious discussion, with any sort of credibility, you have to be accountable for what you say. In a group dedicated to mere posting concerning an anonymous hobby, what type accountability and credibility do you seek? How long have you looked to cb venues seeking "serious" discussion? It doesn't take any special courage or daring to make inflammatory comments while hiding behind an anonymous handle. No doubt about it. Same can be said for radio. Merely possessing your hammie call doesn't abdicate you from being anonymous if you wanted. Same goes for this forum. Why should anyone take what a person like that says seriously, when they don't have the character to identify themselves? Depends what you define as "identify". In your case, you ask for names, backgrounds, etc, of those who you disagree with on usenet. And perhaps, just,,perhaps, because the entire world of security experts SAY SO? _ What type accountability is it you wish to foster upon those who dare say something on usenet with which you may disagree? There is nothing wrong with a healthy disagreement. But when you make unfounded character assassinations against those you disagree with and then run and hide behind your cloak of anonymity, that's not the sign of a mature person. If it were a true character assassination and something was injurous or libelous, and IF you actually believed that bull**** and cared enough to actually want to do something about it, there are simple channels to follow and remedy the situation. At the very least, if this occurred, one could surely prove such and illustrate the passage in the person's isp that relates to such behavior and the service will take action. Having your identity known, at least tempers the temptation to act like a retard. And goes against everything the world of security experts and all isp's tell you. As far as I know, acting like "a retard" is perfectly legal, but if you had your way, anything you deemed 'acting like a retard" would most certainly be illegal. _ And to answer your question,,,you weren't thinking, Davie, you never do,,,,it's what is responsible for your foot in mouth disease and unfettered anger toward cb anonymity. You gave up your anonymity and are ****ed at those who didn't Not at all. I stand behind what I say, You do? Shall we take those inquiries one at a time concerning those unanswered claims you were asked to provide for? You said a cber was busted in your area awhile back and went through the courts. I politely called you on it and asked you to provide some of this "credibility" you speak of and demand of the rest of the usenet world. You became insultive and began attacking myself and going off-topic without providing anything but lipservice. You have failed to produce any of this "credibility' you demand of others, concerning your claim. and I have the credibility Not on the Philly cber issue you don't, and not on the Phelps antenna issue you don't, and,,,,ah, that's enough to keep you foaming at the mouth and rabidly attacking me for a few days. and accountability to say so in a serious and mature manner. If I misbehave like the hordes of anonymous posters on this group, it becomes a simple matter to rectify the situation. It's not up to you Davie, to rectify anything. THAT'S your problem...you think it is. Not so when you're anonymous and take advantage of the many network tools to conceal your origin. So it allows "bad" people to continue to be "bad". No,,the internet does not "allow" people to do anything. PEOPLE allow themselves to be involved in such fiascos. You are illustrating the risks of the internet perfectly with your citing "bad" people,,,,,all the more reason to follow the internet security experts advice, Davie. Just because one doesn't post with their real name, Davie, doesn't make them "baaad" people. In fact, it makes them a little more clued in than you on the dangers of the internet and these "bad" people you speak of. _ ,,,,,who had the smarts to follow their ISP suggestions and all security experts and NOT post on the internet with their real name to a group dealing with a hobby where no ones identity is revealed. No one has suggested anything of the sort. The only thing that they warn is not to give out personal information such as social security numbers and such. Most people know their real name is personal information. See how far removed your beliefs are from the moral majority.. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. That is an old cliche used by authoritarians the world over to cast doubt on the motives of civil libertarians that actually care about such things as privacy. The cliche is also often used as a means to shut off debate on the actual issue, since no one wants other people to think they may have something to hide. This plays on the psyche of people and was used by the Nazis for psychological warfare on their own people expected of being dissidents. Such anti-american insinuation that one may have something to hide merely for not posting their real name to the internet as their user name will not stop me from defending privacy rights that belong to you as well,, as an American, even if you don't appreciate your liberties or take advantage of them. _ Add to the fact that you can no longer partake in your old haunts and dx on cb because someone would probably turn your azz in...if you weren't such a jerkoff and were cool with people, you could operate with no fear and talk dx on cb with the rest of us who enjoy it. I never liked talking DX on CB after the first hundred or so contacts that I made almost 30 years ago. DX is nothing more than a source of irritation to me, as the noise level prevents comfortable local chit-chatting. Fine, No one faults you for it. But for you to come out here and constantly complain about what bothers you over and over concerning cb, and tell others who really do enjoy cb and dx what is wrong with them doing it, in a cb group, no less, illustrates your motives, whether you are aware of your own behavior or not. Any desire that I might have to talk long distance can easily be taken care of LEGALLY on the ham bands, so your conjecture is like many of your others, just plain wrong. The hammie bands are dead for HF DX,,they got nothing on eleven meter, including freeband. BTW, Who is Kim T. Hall? Exactly. Oh, and you might not believe this, but I'm glad that you survived the storm. I don't like to see bad things happen to anyone. Dave "Sandbagger" N3CVJ http://home.ptd.net/~n3cv Why would I not believe that? Only subhumans wish ill will on others for stating their opinions. |
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:40:57 -0400, (Twistedhed)
wrote: From: (Dave*Hall) On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:49:48 -0400, (Twistedhed) wrote: CB IS anonymous, it's going to stay that way, get over the gastric pain it causes you. And that is the main reason why there are so many malcontents on there. Perhaps, perhaps not, but that is neither here nor there, and a problem of yours. Stop trying to make it someone elses problem. It's everyone's problem unless, of course, you are one of the malcontents who enjoys ruining other people's fun. Even the youngest, still wet-behind-the-ears hooligan will tell you that they tend to partake in more mischief if they have less of a chance of being caught. It's sad that your trust in fellow man has eroded to such a point. Most of us look for the good in people, not the bad. I look for the good in people too. It's a shame that it's getting harder and harder to find. Wanting to believe that some people are good, does not change the fact that a great number are bad. I am a realist, I deal with reality, not how I'd like it to be. That one would seek to mete out "accountability" for posting one's opinion in usenet illustrates a freak, dude! Not at all. If you are attempting to pass yourself and your opinions off in a serious discussion, with any sort of credibility, you have to be accountable for what you say. In a group dedicated to mere posting concerning an anonymous hobby, what type accountability and credibility do you seek? How long have you looked to cb venues seeking "serious" discussion? So then, you are of the opinion that this forum should be nothing more than an unimpeded free-for-all with no rules or decorum? Discussions about technical topics should be taken at face value, without the parties displaying their credentials? It doesn't take any special courage or daring to make inflammatory comments while hiding behind an anonymous handle. No doubt about it. Same can be said for radio. Merely possessing your hammie call doesn't abdicate you from being anonymous if you wanted. Same goes for this forum. People identify on ham radio for a reason. People don't identify on CB for the same reason. I have far more to be suspicious of, when someone is afraid to identify themselves. I have to wonder what they are hiding from. Why should anyone take what a person like that says seriously, when they don't have the character to identify themselves? Depends what you define as "identify". In your case, you ask for names, backgrounds, etc, of those who you disagree with on usenet. I have NEVER asked for specific personal details. However, a person's name, and their credentials will establish their expertise in related topics. Who would you be most likely to believe on matters of radio, someone firmly established in the art, with a good education and background, or someone with the vague identifier: "Rubber Duck"? And perhaps, just,,perhaps, because the entire world of security experts SAY SO? That is a bit of an exaggeration and a stretch of the truth. _ What type accountability is it you wish to foster upon those who dare say something on usenet with which you may disagree? There is nothing wrong with a healthy disagreement. But when you make unfounded character assassinations against those you disagree with and then run and hide behind your cloak of anonymity, that's not the sign of a mature person. If it were a true character assassination and something was injurous or libelous, and IF you actually believed that bull**** and cared enough to actually want to do something about it, there are simple channels to follow and remedy the situation. Are you suggesting that there are ways to identify someone who takes serious steps to hide their identity? Or are you saying that we all should just have to deal with abusive insulting and libelous comments because they are not worth the trouble to pursue seriously? I believe in the example of not saying something on a forum, that you wouldn't have the cajones to say to someone's face. The fact is that being anonymous eliminates the small chance that the person you may insult might someday show up at your door to have you "explain" yourself in person, thereby removing that little bit of polite restraint you might otherwise have. Anonymity is the enabler for people to act inappropriately, and rudely. Using the excuse that privacy overrides acting in a civilized manner is weak IMHO. At the very least, if this occurred, one could surely prove such and illustrate the passage in the person's isp that relates to such behavior and the service will take action. Usually ISP's will not yank someone's account unless they become serious problems. Simply speaking one's opinion (however insulting or rude) is still a 1st amendment right, and ISP's are reluctant to go down that road. Having your identity known, at least tempers the temptation to act like a retard. And goes against everything the world of security experts and all isp's tell you. As far as I know, acting like "a retard" is perfectly legal, but if you had your way, anything you deemed 'acting like a retard" would most certainly be illegal. Acting rude, inconsiderate, or anti-social, is also not illegal, but it's not something a civilized person would do in a public forum. Why should this newsgroup be treated any differently than an in-person venue? I would not want to make these activities "illegal". If you want to act like a retard, by all means, go for it! But we all have the right to know who it is that is acting like the retard so that they can properly face the repercussions that that type of behavior brings. That's what I mean by accountability. If you had to "face the music" for acting inappropriately, you would eventually adopt an incentive to NOT act that way. The quality of the forums would increase considerably. _ And to answer your question,,,you weren't thinking, Davie, you never do,,,,it's what is responsible for your foot in mouth disease and unfettered anger toward cb anonymity. You gave up your anonymity and are ****ed at those who didn't Not at all. I stand behind what I say, You do? Shall we take those inquiries one at a time concerning those unanswered claims you were asked to provide for? You said a cber was busted in your area awhile back and went through the courts. I politely called you on it and asked you to provide some of this "credibility" you speak of and demand of the rest of the usenet world. You became insultive and began attacking myself and going off-topic without providing anything but lipservice. You have failed to produce any of this "credibility' you demand of others, concerning your claim. Gee, that's not the way I remember it. I remember making the claim that some I knew personally was popped by local cops for interference relating to his CB radio. You challenged the validity of my claim, first by trying to find some sort of difference between "a suburb of" and "suburban", suggesting that I was lying. When you failed to find any information on the incident (Due to the mistake that you made in assuming that "suburban philly" meant that it was within the city limits), you again tried to insinuate that because you couldn't understand what the difference in locations were, you again inferred that I was lying. Even when I told you the exact town, you were unable to find anything, which is not surprising considering how poorly the town keeps records.. But what have you actually proven? You have proven that: A. You can't differentiate between the suburbs, suburban, and within city limits. You covered this mistake by implying that I was making the whole thing up. B. That you were unable to locate any information on the subject. (note that this doesn't mean that there isn't any) I am telling it as someone who was there who knew the party involved. I know what happened. If that isn't enough for you, then so be it. and I have the credibility Not on the Philly cber issue you don't, and not on the Phelps antenna issue you don't, and,,,,ah, that's enough to keep you foaming at the mouth and rabidly attacking me for a few days. Defending my position and questioning your logic is hardly "attacking" you on a personal level. That you cannot understand how someone would not understand your initial reference to an antenna that was part of a 10 year old repeater system, and took my apparent unfamiliarity as a sign of lying is not my problem. and accountability to say so in a serious and mature manner. If I misbehave like the hordes of anonymous posters on this group, it becomes a simple matter to rectify the situation. It's not up to you Davie, to rectify anything. THAT'S your problem...you think it is. It should be every person's responsibility to "rectify" the problem in order to preserve civility. Not so when you're anonymous and take advantage of the many network tools to conceal your origin. So it allows "bad" people to continue to be "bad". No,,the internet does not "allow" people to do anything. PEOPLE allow themselves to be involved in such fiascos. When you give people the means to be "bad" why should you be surprised when they act on it? You are illustrating the risks of the internet perfectly with your citing "bad" people,,,,,all the more reason to follow the internet security experts advice, Davie. Just because one doesn't post with their real name, Davie, doesn't make them "baaad" people. No, that in itself doesn't. I never said that all people who post anonymously are "bad", but it is by far more tempting for them to be, rather than if they are easily identified. ,,,,,who had the smarts to follow their ISP suggestions and all security experts and NOT post on the internet with their real name to a group dealing with a hobby where no ones identity is revealed. No one has suggested anything of the sort. The only thing that they warn is not to give out personal information such as social security numbers and such. Most people know their real name is personal information. See how far removed your beliefs are from the moral majority.. It takes more than a person's name to invoke identity theft. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. That is an old cliche used by authoritarians the world over to cast doubt on the motives of civil libertarians that actually care about such things as privacy. The cliche is also often used as a means to shut off debate on the actual issue, since no one wants other people to think they may have something to hide. This plays on the psyche of people and was used by the Nazis for psychological warfare on their own people expected of being dissidents. Such anti-american insinuation that one may have something to hide merely for not posting their real name to the internet as their user name will not stop me from defending privacy rights that belong to you as well,, as an American, even if you don't appreciate your liberties or take advantage of them. A wonderful speech, but the truth of the comment remains. If you have nothing to hide, you are more likely to be up front about your motives. People who insist on anonymity are suspicious right from the start. What is it about their presence, ideas, or opinion would predicate a need to remain anonymous? That implies a nefarious motive. Add to the fact that you can no longer partake in your old haunts and dx on cb because someone would probably turn your azz in...if you weren't such a jerkoff and were cool with people, you could operate with no fear and talk dx on cb with the rest of us who enjoy it. I never liked talking DX on CB after the first hundred or so contacts that I made almost 30 years ago. DX is nothing more than a source of irritation to me, as the noise level prevents comfortable local chit-chatting. Fine, No one faults you for it. You have. But for you to come out here and constantly complain about what bothers you over and over concerning cb, and tell others who really do enjoy cb and dx what is wrong with them doing it,in a cb group, no less, illustrates your motives, whether you are aware of your own behavior or not. And just what are "my motives" if you going to be presumptuous as to suggest that you might know? Perhaps, It's just that I remember (fondly) how CB radio was in the 1970's. People played loose and fast with the rules, but despite all that, they were civil (most of the time) and the ratio of constructive or good clean fun conversations to idiots was far greater than it is today. Maybe, my biggest flaw is hoping that the FCC, through legislation and enforcement, will do what people's inner conscience and morality fail to do, and that is act civilly and considerately. Any desire that I might have to talk long distance can easily be taken care of LEGALLY on the ham bands, so your conjecture is like many of your others, just plain wrong. The hammie bands are dead for HF DX,,they got nothing on eleven meter, including freeband. Hello? There is nothing magical about propagation on 11 meters. If 11 meters is open then 10, 12, and 15 are also open. When 11 isn't open, I can still talk on 20, 40, 80 and 160 meters. If you want DX, there's no more consistent place to find it than on one of the several ham bands. When the sunspot cycle is high, 11 is wide open, and talking DX is like shooting fish in a barrel. But right now, the cycle is low, and DX opportunities are sporadic. I'm betting that I'll find more DX opportunities on the H.F bands than you will solely on 11 at the current time. BTW, Who is Kim T. Hall? Exactly. Exactly what? Or is that whom? Oh, and you might not believe this, but I'm glad that you survived the storm. I don't like to see bad things happen to anyone. http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj Why would I not believe that? Only subhumans wish ill will on others for stating their opinions. So at least I'm higher than a subhuman on your scale eh? Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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From: (Frank=A0Gilliland)
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:07:20 -0400, Dave Hall wrote in : On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:37:07 GMT, "AKC KennelMaster" wrote: Got the hatches battened down? I hope you guys get lucky with this one. Maybe the overnight Cuba crossing will give you a break. At any rate, good luck, and keep your head down!!!!! - Assuming, of course, that he really lives there....... Of course he does. What on earth would make you think he lied? Agreed. One should look no further than your brilliant logic that says I'm a hammie named Roger Wiseman in West Virginia and pull double duty as another hammie Extra named Dave McCambell on the east coast of Florida. In both instances, you insisted you were right. What makes us think you lied? -----=3D Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =3D----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----=3D=3D |
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From: (Dave=A0Hall)
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 23:37:07 GMT, "AKC KennelMaster" wrote: Got the hatches battened down? I hope you guys get lucky with this one. Maybe the overnight Cuba crossing will give you a break. At any rate, good luck, and keep your head down!!!!! Assuming, of course, that he really lives there....... Dave N3CVJ "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj What does Kim T. Hall's unreported tragedy have to do with the price of tea in China? |
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