Twist/N3CVJ
Part Deux
You "postulated" that the FCC, who you profess we should blindly follow,
may not have the facts of the case before telling the public one is
guilty. I question your logic and intellect to blindly follow an agency
who crafts law, yet you claim same agency could be incompetent in
upholding said law.
Do you not see the sheer hypocrisy of such talk?

I can see how you might feel that way based

on your perspective. But that's not reflective of
reality.



It was your reality.

I never claim to "blindly" follow anyone. But

there is a process to follow to have rules

changed. It is not proper to just "ignore" rules

that we don't personally agree with.



And until those rules are changed, you can not possibly have any reason
for fantasizing the FCC was wrong in busting Dogie. As you say, that is
the process. But you still don't see you espouse the process of the FCC,
but you question their end result, meaning you have doubt concerning
their competence in handling their responsibility. You tout their rules,
then when one gets busted by their rules, you undermined the entire
concept.





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One thing I DO believe in strongly is the

concept that a person is innocent until

PROVEN guilty. Do you assume that

someone is automatically guilty of a crime the

instant he is arrested?


Just the opposite. Until proven in a court of law. Once again, *you* are
the one misusing the term "crime" when applied to radio rules, as they
are not criminal infractions. See how the misuse and entrance of the
term "crime" and "criminal" becomes distorted?


The fact that Doug was cited (same as an

arrest in this case) does not mean that all the

evidence was in and a final determination was
made (at least at the time I made my

comments).



I disagree. I hold that when the FCC reports one on the Rain Report for
an infraction, NOT as merely receiving a warning notice for some alleged
rule infraction, the evidence is in and the final determination of guilt
is beyond a reasonable doubt, enough to satisfy any court of law.


Surely you have to acknowledge that Doug's

behavior has managed to earn him quite a few
enemies. What's to stop any one of them from

"masquerading" as him in order to cause

trouble and "frame" him as a form of payback?
It's a distinct possibility. I admit that I am not

privy to what evidence the FCC has or doesn't
have in this case, and I could be way off base.

I do not believe for one second a bunch of folks are going to sign a
sworn affidavit signed by a notary only to commit purgery in order to
frame another.

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My only hope is that a group of decent people

will decide to start another channel that I

would be happy to participate in. I'm already

working on a CB reunion for some of the old

crew that I've contacted. This might spawn a

"retro net" where we fire up that vintage gear

for some old fashioned CB fun.

Now that might bring back some of the fun

with cb that has eluded you for some time.
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=A0Heck, we have get togethers all the time here. On any given day one
can tune in and hook up with countless fishermen all over the bay
area,,many of them sitting in their cars chewing the fat while fishing.

Those are some of the things I sorely miss.
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=A0After all, that would make you proactive instead of reactive like you
have always been here, and I am certain we can count on you to offer
your beliefs to those on the air using those noise toys that have you
bleeding from the ears and nose, because we all know you believe in
saying the same things here as you would face to face. Try it with the
noise toys and on the radio with these people,,tell them they are the
equivalent of the WWF. Report back.

Been there, done that. How do you rationalize

the detrimental effects of distorted audio, such
as that produced by an echo mike, to

someone who has that "kid on Christmas" look
on his face at the discovery of his latest toy (

that he probably spend half his fast food p

aycheck for)? He doesn't care that it makes

his audio hard to understand. He just thinks

it's "cool". Must be something in the water

around here.....
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Nothing to rationalize. This is cb, not audiophile FM 101 High Fidelity
Broadcasting. What you can't get, because you been in with the snobs
that have a hard-on for cb too long, is that many, many folks don't look
at cb like you do and compare it to hammie radio. The only thing many
folks are interested in is making contact, not quality. Like a stereo,
some folks spend big bucks for symphonic reproduction, others do ok and
opt for a clock radio. Different strokes, but here you are bashing those
folks that may use a legal item as is their right, on cb, all because
*you* disagree and dislike their choice. Tsk tsk.

You don't have to be an audiophile.

Correct,,but you apparently are, and are expressing difficulty grasping
why others are not so concerned with these nuances.

I will admit to being sensitive to audio quality. I
can tell the sound of a Class "C" amplifier

without even looking. Any device that changes
the audio for the worse detracts from quality. I

like to make my audio as close to a broadcast

station as I can. I like what those guys on 80

meter AM have done with their setups. Some

of those guys have audio that I am truly

envious of.


Hehe,,that commercial FM sound...


Some

people are so distorted that they are actually

hard to understand. Yet these same mentally

challenged idiots think that they actually sound
good! Excessive echo, class "C" amplifiers,

too much mike gain, no limiters, excessive

"swing" all contribute to overall poor audio

quality. Many of these "mods" also contribute

to adjacent channel interference and RFI.

There is nothing even remotely redeemable

about these actions.

Echo is not legal.

See above.
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Class "C" (or any other)

amplifiers are not legal. Removing modulation

limiters is not legal. Transmitter modifications

are not legal. Generating RFI above the

technical specifications is not legal.

So I'm not bashing people for liking different

things than I do. I'm bashing people for their

displayed ignorance of good RF practice and

for displaying an indifference to, or an outright

contempt for, other people's right of access to

the hobby.

An echo mic is in no manner affecting any of your rights. You are still
confusing the law with your preferences. Echo mics are legal. Email the
FCC and ask them.

I might do that. I cannot see how a device

which is clearly intended to "amuse or

entertain" could be considered legal, when the
rules expressly prohibit them.

But let me outline a few examples of how

many of these "radio hotrods" do affect other

people's right of access.

1. A radio which is running in excess of the

legal power limit promotes a stronger signal.

While this maybe be an advantage to the

operator, he cannot control just how far his

signal travels. Legally operating stations in the
distance, now have a harder time

communicating, because of the illegally

produced signal. Those legal operators are

having their right to access affected.




There doesn't seem to be any place at all where these "legal operators"
are making any waves. I submit this is an extremely rare problem
concerning cbers.



2. A radio which has had its modulation

"clipped" the radio peaked, and uses a class

"C" "modulator" amp to get that added "swing"

is producing spurious audio harmonic content

and splatter which makes their signal extend

outside (sometimes very far) outside of the 10

Khz bandwidth of the CB channels. So when

the operator transmits, he's not only

dominating his own channel, be creates

sufficient interference on others. Legally

operating stations on those other channels,

now have a harder time communicating,

because of the illegally produced signal.

Those legal operators are having their right to

access affected.





There is no right to access. You have the freedom to use a radio at
will,,,you haev no right that said radio will be free from interference.
You are discounting the problem is world wide, and as you said with our
ops, the signal doesn't stop. Our ops, compared to the word ops, are an
exterme minority when it comes to not complying with FCC cb radio rules.
Even if you would have cbers obeying all rules at all times, it wouldn't
make a noticeable dent in the noise and skip, except on channel 6, as
its strictly American owned and operated g.



3. A person operating a "peaked and clipped"

CB into a class "C" amplifier generates

spurious emission and higher harmonic

content. People living in the vicinity of this

illegal operator may have trouble using their

entertainment devices (Broadcast radio, TV,

computer) due to interference from those

increased harmonics. Those people are

having their right of access impeded.



Again, no one has such a "right of access" of "unimpedement". The mere
fact that the devices say they MUST accept interference
discounts any "right" concerning unimpedement and unfetttered use.



Would you listen to a radio with a torn

speaker?


Poor analogy, as your equipment apparently is not the problem...but your
personal preference with another's broadcast. You always have the righyt
to change the channel, as your "rights" are not being infringed upon.

That depends. See my #2 above.


I did. Check out my reply.

Would it not bother you?

See above. If it bothered me, I'd shut it off.

But why should you have to?



Don't "have" to,,thats what comes with freedom of choice.
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If you have a hobby or activity that normally

brings you pleasure, and you are now faced

with some undesirables which ruin your

pleasure, why should you be always forced to

be the one who has to yield to these people?



No one is forcing anyone to partake in the hobby. There is no "force
going on.


If it were as simple as allocating certain

channels for each activity and there were no

such things as bleedover or interference, then

your solution would be acceptable. But you

know that that's not reality on CB.




What solution? If changing the channel or band doesn;t work, shut it
off.


I tend to look at a glass that has 50% contents
as half full also.

Not with CB, society, the FCC, and personal privacy rights you don't
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Because, in those cases, the glass in much

less than 50% full.


No,,NOT in those cases, in YOUR personal experiences CB and society may
be crumbling, but not to the rest of the world. What you experience is
not the last word, far from it.

Again you claim to know what the "majority"

are thinking. You cannot possibly know what

anyone else is thinking.

Hehhe,,,,,,,correct,,,not in the manner youappear to be taking it,,not
in an esp kind of way, but I indeed have the pulse of the public on a
variety of issues. I *have* to.

But no "pulse" or poll is completely reflective

of reality.


Correct. Most polls carry a margin error of 3% give or take, but it's
pretty damn close,,and indicative.


. Polls are subject to political or social biases,

and limited to the demographics of the

participants.



And the best thing we have to measure the current pulse of certain
factions. Other factions have other manners of gauging such things.