Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 00:29:23 GMT, Steveo
You don't care that your vote doesn't count anymore?

Yes I care. The guy I voted for won.

On 30 Dec 2004 00:36:18 GMT, Steveo
wrote in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 00:29:23 GMT, Steveo
You don't care that your vote doesn't count anymore?

Yes I care. The guy I voted for won.


But not because you voted for him. You just happened to agree with the
predetermined outcome. If they get away with it in Ohio then that's
the end of free and open elections in this country -- 228 years gone
to waste. I don't know about you but that ****es me off.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 00:36:18 GMT, Steveo
wrote in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 00:29:23 GMT, Steveo
You don't care that your vote doesn't count anymore?

Yes I care. The guy I voted for won.

But not because you voted for him. You just happened to agree with the
predetermined outcome.

Huh? I'm no math genius but that doesn't work. I voted for Bush, he won.
Now you want me to demand a re-count?

If they get away with it in Ohio

Get away with what? JK lost, Frank. Not just in Ohio.

then that's
the end of free and open elections in this country -- 228 years gone
to waste. I don't know about you but that ****es me off.

Right after the sky starts falling, and we have better choices.

"TeranewsUser" wrote:
Nobody liked Saddam. He was just a necessary evil. And being secular,
he was certainly no worse than the heads of state in Syria and Saudi
Arabia.

Exactly. No worse than Hitler either.

Happy New Year, TU.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:32:25 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
:

Here's a link that will keep you up on the issue if you want:

http://freepress.org/index2.php

Frank, just because they say it doesn't make it so. Of course it isnt
getting any press it is a dead issue only kept alive by desperate
democrats.


I'm not a Democrat or a Republican -- I'm an American. I didn't vote
for Bush or Kerry because I don't think either of them are qualified
for the office. And for that reason I really don't care who won this
election. But when it comes time that I -do- care I want to know that
my vote is counted and that the election is legitimate.

And the issue is not dead -- far from it. It's just getting started.
Almost every voting rights organization is criticizing the voting
fraud that occured in Ohio. The evidence of fraud is well documented
and the election results are being contested based on that evidence.
Don't believe me? Browse the internet on the topic. Check out the link
I cited. If you can't handle the whole site, at least check out this
page:

http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/1044

No, the issue is not dead. Not until our elections are more legitimate
than that of the Ukraine and other countries, elections that the US is
quick to criticize when problems occur -- problems like when exit poll
data doesn't fit with the official results.

What I can't understand is why some people are so defensive about the
issue. Do these people think that the legitimacy of Bush's victory is
so shakey that it can't handle scrutiny?

Do people want Bush or do they want a democracy?

Frank Gilliland wrote:
I'm not a Democrat or a Republican -- I'm an American. I didn't vote
for Bush or Kerry because I don't think either of them are qualified
for the office.

-snip-

That sorta leaves you unqualified to bitch about it then, Frank. Gotta
vote.

On 30 Dec 2004 02:44:32 GMT, Steveo
wrote in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
I'm not a Democrat or a Republican -- I'm an American. I didn't vote
for Bush or Kerry because I don't think either of them are qualified
for the office.

-snip-

That sorta leaves you unqualified to bitch about it then, Frank. Gotta
vote.


I did vote. I just didn't vote for Kerry or Bush. They weren't the
only candidates on the ticket.

Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 30 Dec 2004 02:44:32 GMT, Steveo
wrote in :

Frank Gilliland wrote:
I'm not a Democrat or a Republican -- I'm an American. I didn't vote
for Bush or Kerry because I don't think either of them are qualified
for the office.

-snip-

That sorta leaves you unqualified to bitch about it then, Frank. Gotta
vote.

I did vote. I just didn't vote for Kerry or Bush. They weren't the
only candidates on the ticket.

OK then. The choices suck hind tit.

"itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge"
wrote in message ...
Frank Gilliland wrote in
:


I'm not a Democrat or a Republican -- I
Do people want Bush or do they want a democracy?

I will always like Bush, what man deosnt?? I didnt mean you were the
desperate democrat, I mean some who write those web sites and keep up the
facade of tom foolery with the election. Don't you think the democrats
stole votes too? Each area has democrat and republican stronghold who run
thier local governments. The people who run the voting booths can see how
who didnt show and cast a vote for them. Let me ask you this Do you have
a better idea how to stop this from happening for either side??



Yes, ditch the electoral college.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:05:08 -0600, itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge
wrote in
:

Frank Gilliland wrote in
:


I'm not a Democrat or a Republican -- I
Do people want Bush or do they want a democracy?

I will always like Bush, what man deosnt?? I didnt mean you were the
desperate democrat, I mean some who write those web sites and keep up the
facade of tom foolery with the election.


Well, maybe you should look at the "About" page from the site. Check
out their history and examine the credentials of it's staff. Then know
that that's not the only organization making these claims. There is
also the National Voting Rights Institute. Both of these organizations
have cried foul in Ohio. And both are staffed by well-educated people
who often serve as official election observers for the US and foreign
countries. If you want I can give you quite a list of many other such
organizations -- most of them non-partisan -- who agree that the Ohio
election was a sham.


Don't you think the democrats
stole votes too?


All the more reason to investigate the issue. It would be fantastic to
see both parties shot to bits in this fiasco -- it would bust up the
two-party cartel and force open the door for third-party candidates,
giving the voters some real choices!


Each area has democrat and republican stronghold who run
thier local governments. The people who run the voting booths can see how
who didnt show and cast a vote for them. Let me ask you this Do you have
a better idea how to stop this from happening for either side??


Check out some of those organizations and the problems with the Ohio
election. Chances are that many of the problems will be solved by
court decisions and legislation. That way there won't be any more
people conducting the election while being campaign manager for the
state. And the companies that own the hardware and write the software
for the voting machines can't be a major contributor to one candidate
(let alone promise to hand that candidate the state's electoral
votes). Anyway, they are the experts, not me. See what they have to
say cause they say it better than I could.