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itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote:
Rule 13 - Illegal Communications {A} You must NOT use a CB station- [1] in connection with activity which is against federal, state or local law; [2] to transmit obscene, indecent or profane words, language or meaning; [3] to interfere intentionally with the communications of another CB station; [4] to transmit one-way communications, EXCEPT for emergency communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks) or voice paging; [5] to advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or services; [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; [7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention; [8] to transmit the word "MAYDAY" or use any other international distress signal, EXCEPT when your station is located in a ship, aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened with GRAVE AND IMMINENT danger and you are requesting IMMEDIATE assistance. [9] to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any CB station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away [10] to advertise a political candidate or political campaign (You may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects of a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules); [11] to communicate with stations in other countries, except stations in Canada (on General Radio Service). [12] to transmit a false or deceptive communication. {B} You must not use a CB station to transmit communications intended for live or delayed rebroadcast on radio or television. You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare programs. Rule 25 - Modifications to Transmitters {A} You must not make or have any one else make any internal modification to your CB transmitter. {B} Internal modification does NOT include: [1] Repair, or servicing of a CB station transmitter; or [2] Changing plug-in modules which were type-accepted as part of your CB transmitter {C} You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified by anyone in any way, including modification to operate on unauthorized frequencies or with illegal power. Not so sure they're 100% illegal: 1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry. 2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of these sections. You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct. -SSB |
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![]() "SideBand" wrote in message om... itoldyouiamnotiamnotgeorge wrote: Rule 13 - Illegal Communications {A} You must NOT use a CB station- [1] in connection with activity which is against federal, state or local law; [2] to transmit obscene, indecent or profane words, language or meaning; [3] to interfere intentionally with the communications of another CB station; [4] to transmit one-way communications, EXCEPT for emergency communications, traveler assistance, brief tests (radio checks) or voice paging; [5] to advertise or solicit the sale of any goods or services; [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; [7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention; [8] to transmit the word "MAYDAY" or use any other international distress signal, EXCEPT when your station is located in a ship, aircraft or other vehicle which is threatened with GRAVE AND IMMINENT danger and you are requesting IMMEDIATE assistance. [9] to communicate with, or ATTEMPT to communicate with, any CB station more than 155.3 miles (250 kilometers) away [10] to advertise a political candidate or political campaign (You may use your CB radio for the business or organizational aspects of a campaign, if you follow all other applicable rules); [11] to communicate with stations in other countries, except stations in Canada (on General Radio Service). [12] to transmit a false or deceptive communication. {B} You must not use a CB station to transmit communications intended for live or delayed rebroadcast on radio or television. You may use your CB station to gather news items or to prepare programs. Rule 25 - Modifications to Transmitters {A} You must not make or have any one else make any internal modification to your CB transmitter. {B} Internal modification does NOT include: [1] Repair, or servicing of a CB station transmitter; or [2] Changing plug-in modules which were type-accepted as part of your CB transmitter {C} You must not operate a CB transmitter which has been modified by anyone in any way, including modification to operate on unauthorized frequencies or with illegal power. Not so sure they're 100% illegal: 1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry. 2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of these sections. You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct. -SSB Please do not confuse him with facts. |
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U Know Who wrote:
"SideBand" wrote in message om... Not so sure they're 100% illegal: 1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry. 2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of these sections. You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct. -SSB Please do not confuse him with facts. But if I don't confuse him with the facts, then what method should I use? Disseminating information is the easiest cure for ignorance. -SSB |
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You could confuse him by refusing mopey's advances at the Petro. That
would go against your whole creed. |
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"Psychiatrist to keyclowns" wrote:
You could confuse him by refusing mopey's advances at the Petro. That would go against your whole creed. Ever refused a fat lip? lol |
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You too...yer already confused with crack...the snortable AND the
slurpable kind. |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT SideBand wrote:
Not so sure they're 100% illegal: 1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry. 2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of these sections. You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct. -SSB Yup. The rules clearly state INTERNAL modifications. It says nothing of external add ons. However, it does state, "NO SOUND EFFECTS". So after a 10 minute disertation, you end with, "This is a radio check. beep beep". |
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Richard wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT SideBand wrote: Not so sure they're 100% illegal: 1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a CB radio. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry. 2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of these sections. You might want to rethink some of your statements before you put them out here, not-not-Jorge. In this case, you're not 100% correct. -SSB Yup. The rules clearly state INTERNAL modifications. It says nothing of external add ons. However, it does state, "NO SOUND EFFECTS". So after a 10 minute disertation, you end with, "This is a radio check. beep beep". It does say "no sound effects" in that you are correct. But if you read to the end of the sentence, it also says that said sound effects should not be to entertain, etc, etc, etc... I stand by my statement that a roger beep used for its intended purpose, which is to signify the end of a transmission, is not illegal. Annoying as hell in some cases, but not illegal. -SSB |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote:
[6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; [7] to transmit any sound effect solely to attract attention; Not so sure they're 100% illegal: 1. It doesn't take internal modifications to transmit a roger beep on a CB radio. True. External electronics can accomplish this. Microphones do not have to be type accepted and can include this circuitry. They can also add echo and other sound effects which are clearly an "amusement" device. The FCC knows that it cannot certify every conceivable accessory that might be connected to the mike jack. So they regulate what you transmit, not what gets connected to the radio. 2. Roger beeps used for their intended purpose (that is, signaling the end of a transmission) are not used "simply to attract attention", are not intended to entertain, and do not violate any part of either of these sections. This is where the controversy is. Your assessment is valid, and it would seem that since the FCC has allowed ETS signals on FRS radios, (which also fall under part 95) that it would also stand to reason that they would allow them on class "D" CB as well. The question is why have they not made their position clear in the form of a rule modification? A valid ETS signal should consist of no more than a single short beep. The multiple "K" beeps and those sequential musical tones clearly still fall within the "amusement" category. Many years ago the FCC stated that they considered ANY tone signal other than one used for selective calling as "unnecessary" and therefore illegal. They may have softened their position on it since. This was back in the days before roger beeps became popular, but little devices known as "birdies" were prevalent. But it's evidently not clear to most radio manufacturers since, with the exception of the Galaxy (Galaxy also has a reputation for pushing the limits of the law) radio, no other domestic type accepted/approved CB radio has an ETS as standard equipment. One has to wonder why that is, if they are clearly legal. In any case, the FCC does not seem to be overly interested in much concerning CB radio these days. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:04:53 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote in : On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:03:11 GMT, SideBand wrote: [6] to transmit music, whistling, sound effects or any material to amuse or entertain; It's illegal because any form of free entertainment or amusement is a direct attack on the free-enterprise system by the liberals who want to weaken the corporate stronghold on the entertainment industry. So the US government (whose sole purpose is to "protect, facilitate and represent our interests in the world market") has disallowed any free entertainment and amusement in non-profit venues, including CB radio. How could you not see that, Dave? |
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