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That is EXCACTLY the point I was making a long time ago (in a galaxy
radio far far away) The truckers on 28.085 is channel 19 on most export radios on Band f or g or d or c or....... you get my point, hams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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On 26 Apr 2005 20:17:23 -0700, "CB outlaw"
wrote: That is EXCACTLY the point I was making a long time ago (in a galaxy radio far far away) The truckers on 28.085 is channel 19 on most export radios on Band f or g or d or c or....... you get my point, hams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What point was that? Dave "Sandbagger" |
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:54:39 -0700, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:47:55 -0700, "John Smith" wrote in : You my friend, are an idiot!!! So I've been told on more than one occasion. But let's see what's in -your- post...... Most hams feel it takes a "musical ear" to be proficient with morse code-- Really? I've never heard that from -any- ham. I know Morse myself and I wouldn't say it takes a musical ear, but then I'm not a ham -or- a musician. So do you have any references to back up your statement that "most hams" feel this way? snip 50Mhz and above works best with bounce, with enough power Really? I've never heard that, either. So if I want to talk to someone across town on, say, 2m, I should forget the repeaters, crank up the amp and howl at the moon? (and there is something wrong with the ionosphere these days--holes yanno!) I suppose bounce at 27Mhz is a possibility--however, how many other cb'ers would have a ant pointed at the moon? The ozone hole(s) might make a difference on 11m if you happen to live in Nome, AK, but I doubt that the mainland US is going to see a big difference anytime soon. As long as skip continues to happen then the ionosphere is still in good shape, and you probably won't have too much luck with CB EME. But that didn't answer my question: Have you done moon bounce with CB? Expect no more answers from me--you are not on a level to be given this consideration. You are simply displaying the traits of a control freak, and attempting to use cheap shots to make others answerable to you--I have not the time--be interesting or be silent... Your cop-out came earlier than I expected, but it -was- expected. I can clearly see you have the petty traits most hams display--you may be a lost soul... get your license! By "petty traits" do you mean pointing out the absurdity of the arguments you use to defend your anti-hammie attitude? Guilty as charged. You are entitled to your opinions, if you think you will upset me with your rantings--think again... I really don't care if you get upset or not. Why did you even bring it up as a topic of discussion? I support free speech.... As do I. I even consider it a right. however, if you have no respect for logic and the obivious it will show and you will be known for such--proceed as you please... ....."logic and the obvious"? Like avoiding sat-comm because of possible alien influence? And working moon bounce on CB? Of course you realize that the moon is a natural satellite complete with alien mud puddles, don't you? Then there is your statement that only musicians can learn Morse code, your anti-government diatribe that came out of nowhere, and your suggestion that education is a bad thing because it will inevitably lead to Hitleresque facism in the US. "Logic and the obvious" indeed. John, you are a certifiable whacko. Welcome to RRCB! Hey Frank, who's your new friend? Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On 25 Apr 2005 07:16:18 -0700, "CB outlaw"
wrote: I think you are absolutly right, John I think the "hams" are jeolous of us CB'ers and freebanders cause we are PROFESSIONAL dx'ers while they are just amateur dx'ers. What do you think? Regards from CB OUTLAW (beep as in roger) I think you should stay away from those magic mushrooms..... Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:03:40 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: I think I have been both, freebander/ham, all I think I have seen is that the freebanders have more fun. That depends on your definition of "fun". Also, I think the radio spectrum is for the use of all, there needs to be a good slice of radio spectrum set aside for freebanders, indeed, set aside for "We the People!" There is. 40 channels worth. There's also FRS and MURS too. Unfortunately, the hams have just become a self-serving bunch holding much of the spectrum to their hobby... they like nice clear spaces of spectrum where they and a few buddies carry on conversations like old women around a bridge table. Are you a ham? If not, then where do you get your stereotypical information? Unless one feels himself a child who needs a parent telling them what they CAN'T do--it is time for a change of thinking here... Ah, another one who can't live under the rules of society. I think the FCC needs to support radio use amongst the citizens of this country, not a self-serving group who feel themselves more deserving and special... What do "the citizens" do to deserve such treatment? I think we all need a better form of radio spectrum use--one which conforms to the people, NOT makes the people conform to ridiculous rules... Making subjective value judgments is a flaw in your logic. Those "ridiculous" rules are there for a reason. They're not there to ruin your fun, they are there to ensure that all radio users have a fair chance and equal access. And, I think a whole lot more... but basically it all revolves around my seeing hams as self-serving/control-freaks who have a good thing going--and are getting away with it... Well, lets see, hams do have to pass a test to prove some level of technical proficiency. That is worth a lot more than simply doing - Nothing! Hams earned the right to that "good thing". And it's not an exclusive club either! You are welcome to earn the privilege and join the ranks. The problem is that you want what they have, but don't want to work to earn it. It's no different than a welfare slacker complaining that their hard working neighbor owns a nice house and a BMW, and laments that "they have a good thing and are getting away with it". Yet he somehow feels that he deserves the same considerations while doing nothing to earn it. You probably feel that the rich don't deserve what they have either. When you work for and earn a privilege (as opposed to crying and whining for it) you tend to respect what it stands for. That is why most hams are more aware of, and tend to follow more closely, the rules of the radio service. Like your first car. If you earned the money to buy your first car by years of paper routes and cutting lawns, you will be more likely to take care of it, than if Dad just gave the car to you. The problem is that you want the privileges of ham radio, but do not want to work for it. The test is not that difficult. Here is where guys like you then claim that they could easily pass the test, but they don't "want to", and then cite all sorts of "issues" about the politics of ham radio that they find repulsive. Yea, hams don't use roger beeps, noise toys, echo boxes, and they don't normally cuss every other word. It's the difference between a broadway play and WWE smackdown. Not that there's anything wrong with WWE smackdown. But you don't expect those who want to watch a broadway play to have to put up with the antics of the WWE. That's what choice is about. So now, you want the privileges of ham radio, without earning them, and without the presence of some people who may think and act a little differently than you do. So you want the FCC to kick hams off the ham bands and then turn the service over to a bunch of unlicensed, lawless individuals to turn into the RF equivalent of the wild, wild west? Does that about sum it up for you? Forgetting about the technical issues that would certainly crop up, do you think this is a good plan? Even if, hypothetically, the FCC were to create a "legal" freeband service from say, 26-28 Mhz, there would still be those who would venture outside of those limits. For those people, it's not about having fun on a radio service, but about the thrill of breaking the law, in much the same way that a 17 year old drinks. There's a certain psychological thrill that comes with "getting away" with breaking the law, or "sticking it to the man". For those who look at societal rules as a personal affront, I can only tell you that you have a long, hard, and uphill battle before you. Happiness will not be easy to find either. Dave "Sandbagger" http://home.ptd.net/~n3cvj |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Here ya go, now you will not have all that text you are worried about... John What text would that be? Landshark -- Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. |
I think too much text probably confuses old steveo, we should just keep our
thext to "yes" and "no" for him... Regards, John |
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