FAQ
 

Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.

Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???

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The Magnum wrote:
Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.

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"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
m...
The Magnum wrote:
Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion
are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.

Type approved.... hmm, its a bit of a strange one that ... which makes me
think "type approved" for Amateur is something home made from bits of
anything.... not tested by anyone... just soldered together by an Amateur so
it must be perfect ...right? No spurious emmisions or any interference
because the person cobbling it together is an Amateur...... Now no
disrespect here is aimed at Amateurs, just some of the laws governing the
hobby seem to be crazy. Amateurs building their own kit and having it tested
via some professional body before use i can accept.... but does that ticket
mean you can build your own "boots" and use it no matter how bad it may be
made? It seems so..... sod type approval eh. Or were you just relating to
"licence conditions"
I know a few Amateurs who are law breakers too. Using their illegally
adapted Amateur equipment to listen in to CB frequencies i believe is a NO
NO, unless you have a CB licence... to which would Amateurs actually bother
to get a CB licence? Are the radios actually legal to use on the CB bands??
i dont know 100% so i ask the question. We all do things from time to time
that are deemed illegal.... so your statement on "No, not all chicken
banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are" could be said
against any group of people.

Whats your opinion on M3's? Do you encorage them or see them as a stain on
Amateur radio? Im just curious by the way.

Regards,
Graham

FAQ
 

The Magnum wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
m...

The Magnum wrote:

Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion

are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.


Type approved.... hmm, its a bit of a strange one that ... which makes me
think "type approved" for Amateur is something home made from bits of
anything.... not tested by anyone... just soldered together by an Amateur so
it must be perfect ...right? No spurious emmisions or any interference
because the person cobbling it together is an Amateur...... Now no
disrespect here is aimed at Amateurs, just some of the laws governing the
hobby seem to be crazy. Amateurs building their own kit and having it tested
via some professional body before use i can accept.... but does that ticket
mean you can build your own "boots" and use it no matter how bad it may be
made? It seems so..... sod type approval eh. Or were you just relating to
"licence conditions"

Maybe the rules are different where you are, but in the US amateurs can
construct any of their equipment, but it *is their responsibility* to
test it and make sure it operates legally. If it doesn't they can be
held accountable by the FCC. Granted, there are few today, due to lack
of technical knowledge that can do that. It wasn't that long ago
however, that finding a ham station completely constructed by the
amateur wasn't uncommon or often surplus military gear would be modified
for use on the amateur bands. With the plug-and-talk equipment of today,
easier test with given answers that can be memorized, the technical
expertise of the amateur is sadly lacking

I know a few Amateurs who are law breakers too. Using their illegally
adapted Amateur equipment to listen in to CB frequencies i believe is a NO
NO, unless you have a CB licence...

In the US any ham or anyone else can legally listen in on cb frequencies.

to which would Amateurs actually bother
to get a CB licence?

Since there is no requirement here for a cb license I don't suppose any
amateur would bother.

Are the radios actually legal to use on the CB bands??

Only radios that are type accepted for cb use are legal to use on the cb
bands. There is a problem here with imported radios that have 'expanded'
channels that will also operate on the 10 meter ham band. These radios
are not 'type certified' for cb use and they are purchased by unlicensed
persons and are often used on the 10 meter band. Some time back it was a
popular thing for amateurs to take cb radios and convert them for use on
the 10 meter band, just change the crystals, peak up the circuits and
you had a nice little mobile 10 meter radio. Once modified as such the
radios were no longer type certified nor legal for cb use but perfectly
legal for amateur use.

i dont know 100% so i ask the question. We all do things from time to time
that are deemed illegal.... so your statement on "No, not all chicken
banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are" could be said
against any group of people.

True, but there is a much larger percentage of illegal operation on the
cb band than on the amateur bands, at least here in the US. And we have
the 'freebanders' who for some strange reason think they have the right
to operate on the frequencies between the upper end of the cb band and
the lower end of 10 meters plus just about anywhere else they chose.

Whats your opinion on M3's? Do you encorage them or see them as a stain on
Amateur radio? Im just curious by the way.

I must confess I haven't acquainted myself with M3's. Is this a test
free amateur license?

FAQ
 

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
...
The Magnum wrote:
"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message
m...

The Magnum wrote:

Care to give some details like what method of SSB generation this here
radio will use? Will this be a transmitter or tranceiver? What will
the
IF frequency be? To go with your linear? So you are just another law
breaking cber I see.


Does this mean you think all CB'ers are law breakers???



No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion

are.

If Dr IQ is running an external linear he certainly is. If he is going
to build a cb transmitter, which will not be type accepted and put it on
the air he certainly will be.


Type approved.... hmm, its a bit of a strange one that ... which makes
me
think "type approved" for Amateur is something home made from bits of
anything.... not tested by anyone... just soldered together by an
Amateur so
it must be perfect ...right? No spurious emmisions or any interference
because the person cobbling it together is an Amateur...... Now no
disrespect here is aimed at Amateurs, just some of the laws governing
the
hobby seem to be crazy. Amateurs building their own kit and having it
tested
via some professional body before use i can accept.... but does that
ticket
mean you can build your own "boots" and use it no matter how bad it may
be
made? It seems so..... sod type approval eh. Or were you just relating
to
"licence conditions"

Maybe the rules are different where you are, but in the US amateurs can
construct any of their equipment, but it *is their responsibility* to
test it and make sure it operates legally. If it doesn't they can be
held accountable by the FCC. Granted, there are few today, due to lack
of technical knowledge that can do that. It wasn't that long ago
however, that finding a ham station completely constructed by the
amateur wasn't uncommon or often surplus military gear would be modified
for use on the amateur bands. With the plug-and-talk equipment of today,
easier test with given answers that can be memorized, the technical
expertise of the amateur is sadly lacking

Ive seen a few of the ex military gear on my frequent walks around the radio
rally meetings held in the UK at various times of the year. Ive even seen
small tanks for sale :o)

I know a few Amateurs who are law breakers too. Using their illegally
adapted Amateur equipment to listen in to CB frequencies i believe is a
NO
NO, unless you have a CB licence...

In the US any ham or anyone else can legally listen in on cb frequencies.

to which would Amateurs actually bother
to get a CB licence?

Since there is no requirement here for a cb license I don't suppose any
amateur would bother.

Are the radios actually legal to use on the CB bands??

Only radios that are type accepted for cb use are legal to use on the cb
bands. There is a problem here with imported radios that have 'expanded'
channels that will also operate on the 10 meter ham band. These radios
are not 'type certified' for cb use and they are purchased by unlicensed
persons and are often used on the 10 meter band. Some time back it was a
popular thing for amateurs to take cb radios and convert them for use on
the 10 meter band, just change the crystals, peak up the circuits and
you had a nice little mobile 10 meter radio. Once modified as such the
radios were no longer type certified nor legal for cb use but perfectly
legal for amateur use.

Indeed. But what i was getting at was Amateur radios that can access the CB
bands not CB's themselves. I know in the UK if an amateur wants to converse
on the 27MHz CB band he needs a CB licence.. his Amateur licence doesnt
cover him/her for it. (or whether thats just M3 im not sure) Im sure someone
will let us know.

i dont know 100% so i ask the question. We all do things from time to
time
that are deemed illegal.... so your statement on "No, not all chicken
banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are" could be said
against any group of people.

True, but there is a much larger percentage of illegal operation on the
cb band than on the amateur bands, at least here in the US. And we have
the 'freebanders' who for some strange reason think they have the right
to operate on the frequencies between the upper end of the cb band and
the lower end of 10 meters plus just about anywhere else they chose.

Whats your opinion on M3's? Do you encorage them or see them as a stain
on
Amateur radio? Im just curious by the way.

I must confess I haven't acquainted myself with M3's. Is this a test
free amateur license?

In the UK its a simple test (which only an idiot would fail) to get people
started on the Amateur bands. I think the main frequencies being 2m. Im not
sure where else they can go but its limited compaired to a full amateur and
the powers less. Most UK Amateurs are horrified that their airspace is being
invaded by these "CB type lowlife" (their words not mine) which suprises me
as i firmly believe anyone gaining their M3 licence would go on to
Intermediate... etc not stop there so i cant see why the "old hams" arent
encoraging them rather than belittling them.
http://rsgb.org.uk/beginners/ under foundation

Regards,
Graham

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The Magnum wrote:


Most UK Amateurs are horrified that their airspace is being
invaded by these "CB type lowlife" (their words not mine) which suprises me
as i firmly believe anyone gaining their M3 licence would go on to
Intermediate... etc not stop there

Yes, one would think so. That is what our Novice license was for, an
entry type of license, nothing real hard on the test, only 5wpm for
code, limited power and not all frequency privileges.

so i cant see why the "old hams" arent
encoraging them rather than belittling them.

It seems that is often the position taken not by just 'old hams' today,
but by some of those who do upgrade. Kinda like how as a freshman in
high-school you were looked down on by upper-classmen. It didn't use to
be that way. When I had my Novice ticket, I probably worked more General
and higher class licensees on the Novice bands because they would come
to the Novice frequencies and work us, sending code slowly and carefully
to encourage us to get proficient enough to upgrade. Amateur radio used
to be very gentlemanly, still is for the most part but seems amateur
radio has begun to reflect much of today's rude society.

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The Magnum wrote:

"Peter" wrote in message
news:43630f90.0@entanet...

"The Magnum" wrote...

"jim" wrote in message
...

The Magnum wrote:

Not difficult to deduce that you are a CB-er.


Why is that then.. is it because he has friends, his house isn't

full of

bits of old crap and he doesnt stink of wee and biscuits??



biscuits?

Its an old joke referring to the elderly.... ;o)

Would that be a Brummy joke?
What about Murray Mints?


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/


Nah Pete its not a Brummie Joke. I dont know about the Murray mints
though.... youll have to enlighten me on that one while i pour HP sauce all
over my Mushy Peas and Chips ;o)


enjoyed the sunday roast beef and yorkshire pudding dinner in the pub
when i was over. hp is good on eggs. sorta like our A1 sauce.

FAQ
 

"The Magnum" wrote...

Nah Pete its not a Brummie Joke. I dont know about the Murray mints
though.... youll have to enlighten me on that one while i pour HP sauce all
over my Mushy Peas and Chips ;o)

IIRC, Little Britain...
"You smell nice, what is it?"

"Murray Mints."

Maybe it was on the radio series, I have the CD set.
I remember, with my alder relatives, Nutalls Mintos and mint imperials... but it always seems
to be mints. Avoid mints at all costs, it's a sign that you are getting old.


Regards,

Peter.
http://www.citizensband.radiouk.com/

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"jim" wrote...

enjoyed the sunday roast beef and yorkshire pudding dinner in the pub
when i was over.


Never mind Yorkshire Puddings, you want to try a Bakewell Tart.
Cheap, but very friendy :~)


Regards,

Peter.

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"The Magnum" wrote...

There are also some words which tend to have my children in fits of
laughter... like hospice.
If you don't see the joke, don't worry, it's all in the accent...

Hoss: Four legged animal seen running in the Grand National.


Whats a Hospice.....about a gallon and a half ;o)


What's grey and comes in pints...
An elephant.



Peter.

FAQ
 

"Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote...

No, not all chicken banders are law breakers, but a very large portion are.

For some reason, I am beginning to feel hungry.

Catch you later, I'm off for a large portion of chicken...


Regards,

Peter.

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"Peter" wrote in message
news:4369a711.0@entanet...
"The Magnum" wrote...

There are also some words which tend to have my children in fits of
laughter... like hospice.
If you don't see the joke, don't worry, it's all in the accent...

Hoss: Four legged animal seen running in the Grand National.


Whats a Hospice.....about a gallon and a half ;o)


What's grey and comes in pints...
An elephant.



Peter.

About to lower the tone now....

1/ Whats white and streaks across the sky ? ..........the coming of the lord
2/ Whats white and slithers across the floor? .......... come dancing

And the sicko one...

Whats small, blue and wriggles on the swimming pool floor.......... a baby
with burst armbands ..........

Sorry peeps....

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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:45:26 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


There are also some words which tend to have my children in fits of
laughter... like hospice.
If you don't see the joke, don't worry, it's all in the accent...

Hoss: Four legged animal seen running in the Grand National.


Regards,
Peter.


Whats a Hospice.....about a gallon and a half ;o)

sick ignorant SoB is what you are

a hospice is place that the terminaly ill to be made comfortable
before they die


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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:45:26 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


There are also some words which tend to have my children in fits of
laughter... like hospice.
If you don't see the joke, don't worry, it's all in the accent...

Hoss: Four legged animal seen running in the Grand National.


Regards,
Peter.


Whats a Hospice.....about a gallon and a half ;o)

sick ignorant SoB is what you are

a hospice is place that the terminaly ill to be made comfortable
before they die

And??? You want me to now cry or something?? now go get yourself a humour
transplant. It was an off the cuff jollity to which you take offence at for
some reason. Silly old fart...........

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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 17:42:58 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:45:26 +0100, "The Magnum"
wrote:


There are also some words which tend to have my children in fits of
laughter... like hospice.
If you don't see the joke, don't worry, it's all in the accent...

Hoss: Four legged animal seen running in the Grand National.


Regards,
Peter.


Whats a Hospice.....about a gallon and a half ;o)

sick ignorant SoB is what you are

a hospice is place that the terminaly ill to be made comfortable
before they die

And??? You want me to now cry or something?? now go get yourself a humour
transplant. It was an off the cuff jollity to which you take offence at for
some reason. Silly old fart...........

you are a sick ******* for making a joke out of people DYINg but i
already knew you were pretty sick


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......about a gallon and a half ;o)

sick ignorant SoB is what you are

a hospice is place that the terminaly ill to be made comfortable
before they die

And??? You want me to now cry or something?? now go get yourself a humour
transplant. It was an off the cuff jollity to which you take offence at
for
some reason. Silly old fart...........

you are a sick ******* for making a joke out of people DYINg but i
already knew you were pretty sick

Just a sec you silly old fart. I made a joke out of the miss-pronunciation
of Hospice "horse ****" it was nothing to do with Hospices in any way shape
or form or the people in them, just the name..... as for you knowing i was
sick you have no idea who i am, you know nothing about me. However you are
showing us what sort of person you are, by using foul language in an open
forum and making assumptions into meanings of posts that arent there.

I would guess you have lost someone who was being looked after in a Hospice
and you want to lash out at someone... and you think im that person... in
which case i wont take your un-warrented scathings as personal.
If you havnt lost someone who was in a Hospice and your the sort of person
who takes offence at anything because you cant help yourself, putting your
own miserable little twist on words, then i have no time for you and couldnt
care less if you find me offensive or not.

I find people with no sense of humour dont have much of a life and dont have
many friends.... try getting one. You might enjoy it....

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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:48:56 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:

.....about a gallon and a half ;o)

sick ignorant SoB is what you are

a hospice is place that the terminaly ill to be made comfortable
before they die

And??? You want me to now cry or something?? now go get yourself a humour
transplant. It was an off the cuff jollity to which you take offence at
for
some reason. Silly old fart...........

you are a sick ******* for making a joke out of people DYINg but i
already knew you were pretty sick

Just a sec you silly old fart. I made a joke out of the miss-pronunciation
of Hospice "horse ****" it was nothing to do with Hospices in any way shape
or form or the people in them, just the name..

bull****

... as for you knowing i was
sick you have no idea who i am, you know nothing about me. However you are
showing us what sort of person you are, by using foul language in an open
forum and making assumptions into meanings of posts that arent there.

perhaps I am showing something as are you

in your case that you are sick *******


I would guess you have lost someone who was being looked after in a Hospice
and you want to lash out at someone... and you think im that person... in
which case i wont take your un-warrented scathings as personal.
If you havnt lost someone who was in a Hospice and your the sort of person
who takes offence at anything because you cant help yourself, putting your
own miserable little twist on words, then i have no time for you and couldnt
care less if you find me offensive or not.

more bull****

I just think the dead and dying deserve a bit of respect instead of
being used as the butt of a sick joke


OTOH in claiming you don't you are obviously lying as you btohered to
reply


I find people with no sense of humour dont have much of a life and dont have
many friends.... try getting one. You might enjoy it....

I have asense of humor ty but it does include making fun of thedead
and dying

that is just plain sick as are you
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:48:56 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

whatever.................

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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:00:16 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:48:56 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:

Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn

whatever.................

snappy comback



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"huLLy" wrote in message
...
wrote:

bull****


Typical Mercan, understanding nothing...
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Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925

Im not going to bother argueing with the clown. He looked at a simple joke
on the mis-pronounciation of a word and hes off on one... cant be arsed to
pander to his cr-p. Im sure most other people either smiled or just though..
what an old joke... the Hospice one i mean not kb of course. Easy to get the
two confused...

Regards,
Graham

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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:07:29 -0000, "The Magnum"
wrote:


"huLLy" wrote in message
...
wrote:

bull****


Typical Mercan, understanding nothing...
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Mobile phone 07976 123278
ICQ 136-987-925

Im not going to bother argueing with the clown. He looked at a simple joke
on the mis-pronounciation of a word and hes off on one... cant be arsed to
pander to his cr-p. Im sure most other people either smiled or just though..
what an old joke... the Hospice one i mean not kb of course. Easy to get the
two confused...

a simple sick joke

do rememebr that part

Regards,
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On 05 Nov 2005 20:30:05 GMT, Steveo wrote:

wrote:
a simple sick joke

do rememebr that part

**** off, asshat.

no thanks

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wrote...
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:48:56 -0000, "The Magnum" wrote:

Just a sec you silly old fart. I made a joke out of the miss-pronunciation
of Hospice "horse ****" it was nothing to do with Hospices in any way shape
or form or the people in them, just the name..

bull****

No, horse pss.

Around these parts, it is common for people to pronounce horse as "hoss" or, dropping the H,
'oss. This is exactly why
my children found the word hospice funny... when they didn't have a clue what one is.

I'll give you a few pointers...

Hoss: Large four legged creature, often raced for money.
Dee: Cease to live. eg. "When he jumped out, I nearly deed of shock"
Bod: Feathered creature with wings. eg. "some of my bods deed of flu"
Corsey: Pavement.
Wickend: Saturday and Sunday.

It is known for people to purposely use such pronunciations, either as part of their
identity or to take the mickey out of people from different parts of the region.

I just think the dead and dying deserve a bit of respect instead of
being used as the butt of a sick joke

He never mentioned the sick or dying, neither did he mention employees, specific
organizations or specific people. This, along with the reference to liquid measure,
should have made it obvious that it was a play on words.


Peter.

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The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005, The Magnum wrote:


Yet another reason I will never obtain a ham ticket.

Good news for ham radio!

Yep, there will be no one left on Ham soon after all the old farts have
died...

You seem to think that
your little piece of paper raises your IQ.

Yet with you cber IQ you couldn't pass the test even though the answers
to the questions are available.

Try taking an IQ test and i bet theres hardly any difference between you and
most people on CB. The only test you would outshine most CBers would be
radio related...

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Dana wrote:
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

I agree they made that mistake, they are about to fix that one by
droping it to where it belonged in the first place zero

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"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just
talk to people? I know all about the arguements about it getting through
when all else fails but is it really life and death?? If i cant get through
on the radio I use a Phone or the Internet. After all its just a hobby.
Besides, doesnt all that dot dot dot.. dash dash dash give you a headache
after a while??
Dont get me wrong, im not having a go at Amateurs im just asking the
question.. why is it so important?

Regards,
Graham

FAQ
 

Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.


end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.
cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.
problems cause complaints.
complaints cause investigations.
investigations cost money.
money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!


and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.

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"The Magnum" wrote:


"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just


its not absurd.

if you did the morse test you would understand.

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"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:


"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5
wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just


its not absurd.

if you did the morse test you would understand.

Then can you explain it to me then? Im not being flippant, I actually want
to know why its important and why, in your words, it drops the quality of
people who chose to become Amateur if they don't do morse... why does it
make them any less of a good Amateur?... and why do you think that because
morse might be dropped the band will become full of CB people who will wreak
havoc? And why do you class all CB'ers as the same?

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zjjPK wrote:
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

suppositions and unsuported

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

again suposition


when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

not realy the FCC did not bother with complaints for many years

that is why the bands got trashy
cut

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zjjPK wrote:
"The Magnum" wrote:


"Dana" wrote in message
.com...
The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

What is this absurd fascination with Morse Code? Wouldnt you rather just


its not absurd.

it is asburd

if you did the morse test you would understand.

I have and I do understand it is an absurd hazing ritual

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"The Magnum" wrote:

Then can you explain it to me then? Im not being flippant, I actually want
to know why its important and why, in your words, it drops the quality of
people who chose to become Amateur if they don't do morse... why does it
make them any less of a good Amateur?... and why do you think that because
morse might be dropped the band will become full of CB people who will wreak
havoc? And why do you class all CB'ers as the same?

all you have to do is observe the behaviour on this newsgroup.

the outrageous foul language used.

and then listen to 40m




by even attempting to do the morse test shows an attempt and willingness
to improve.
something that 2500 showed they didnt have when they ran away.

and worse... they showed it to the authorities.

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"an_old_friend" wrote:


zjjPK wrote:
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

suppositions and unsuported
never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?




when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

again suposition
never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?



when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

not realy the FCC did not bother with complaints for many years

that is why the bands got trashy

and they will continue to get 'trashy'


if 'u' are given a licence for almost no-effort then that licence is
worthless because when lost ..it represents no-amount of effort.

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zarPK wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote:


zjjPK wrote:
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

suppositions and unsuported
never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?

yes I have

indeed I hear very little there a subject I find of some concern




when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

again suposition
never listened to the bands in the last two years then ?
yes i have listened

I also know I almost nothing for my license yet I value it highly for
what it alows me to do



when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

not realy the FCC did not bother with complaints for many years

that is why the bands got trashy

and they will continue to get 'trashy'

and this is not affected by the testing or lack of it

you don't put the cops out looking for speeding you don't chatch the
speeders

making the linces harder to get does not stopp the speeder the fears of
the cops does


if 'u' are given a licence for almost no-effort then that licence is
worthless because when lost ..it represents no-amount of effort.

you are wrong my License was given me with no more efort than it took
to show and take the test (the book i had ordered to studiy arrived the
day after the test

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"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

Lol, great command of the English language there. I wonder if his morse is
as bad........

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

I disagree. There might be one or two idiots but that doesnt fall completely
at the ease of getting the licence.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

Once again, after showing a willingness to actually bother to get licenced,
being it easy or not, they have to purchase the said equipment. Surely your
not saying CB'ers who dont give a rats ass about Amateur are spending their
hard earnt? money on Amateur kit, and getting registered so you can find out
who and where they are... just to mess about and upset a few advanced
Amateurs? Seems a very strange way of going about things.

Surely these idiot users are more likely the completely unlicenced users on
stolen radios or kids messing about on parents radios while they are out
rather than someone who wants to become a "first step" Amateur? Also quite a
few people who gain M3 licences or whatever the equivelent in the US surely
would go on to intermediate and so on rather than just stop there. A few
will yes but many will want to progress.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

Or maybe not....... your now trying to say Amateurs above the entry level
never cause interference or mess about sometimes on the air.... b-ll-cks.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

yes........

end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.

Err, whats wrong with CBers becoming radio Amateurs? Its happened for years
and years....long before the licence was made easier. And most of them
became perfectly respected Amateurs.

cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.

NO....idiots on Amateur bands will cause problems. Or do you tar all CB
radio users with the same brush?

problems cause complaints.

Yes.........

complaints cause investigations.

Yes............

investigations cost money.

Yes......

money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!

Saved for what? The fully licenced Annual Amateur Jamboree ?

and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)

Oh in that case it must be right then.....

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.

For gods sake... morse isnt the "be all and end all of radio", its an old
out-dated form of communication which had its use in the past but is now
just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why
not welcome the new Amateurs and encorage them to advance rather than look
down on them. The licence was made easier because the userbase of Amateur
was drastically on the decline. It was done to encorage more people to get
involved and keep the "hobby" alive.

Regards,
Graham

FAQ
 

The Magnum wrote:

oh my a post in which with ervery word of yours
"zjjPK "

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
Dana wrote:

The mistake the FCC made was dropping the code requirment down to 5 wpm.
Lots of nivices squeeked under the wire.

Lol, great command of the English language there. I wonder if his morse is
as bad........

the mistake every authority has made is....

when you cheapen a licence , you get lower standards of behaviour being
displayed by the licensees.

I disagree. There might be one or two idiots but that doesnt fall completely
at the ease of getting the licence.

when those who have licences did very little to get that licence they will
treat that licence with very little respect.

Once again, after showing a willingness to actually bother to get licenced,
being it easy or not, they have to purchase the said equipment. Surely your
not saying CB'ers who dont give a rats ass about Amateur are spending their
hard earnt? money on Amateur kit, and getting registered so you can find out
who and where they are... just to mess about and upset a few advanced
Amateurs? Seems a very strange way of going about things.

Surely these idiot users are more likely the completely unlicenced users on
stolen radios or kids messing about on parents radios while they are out
rather than someone who wants to become a "first step" Amateur? Also quite a
few people who gain M3 licences or whatever the equivelent in the US surely
would go on to intermediate and so on rather than just stop there. A few
will yes but many will want to progress.

when those licensees are governed by rules/regulations then their
behaviour may well become the subject of complaints.

Or maybe not....... your now trying to say Amateurs above the entry level
never cause interference or mess about sometimes on the air.... b-ll-cks.

complaints must be investigated.
this costs money.

yes........

end result....
lowering the 'cost of administration' allows cb'ers onto amateur bands.

Err, whats wrong with CBers becoming radio Amateurs? Its happened for years
and years....long before the licence was made easier. And most of them
became perfectly respected Amateurs.

cb'ers on amateur bands will cause problems.

NO....idiots on Amateur bands will cause problems. Or do you tar all CB
radio users with the same brush?

problems cause complaints.

Yes.........

complaints cause investigations.

Yes............

investigations cost money.

Yes......

money that was hoped to have been saved in the first place !!

Saved for what? The fully licenced Annual Amateur Jamboree ?

and a lot of this behaviour can be put down to ONE THING.
(even the interview with an rsgb president on the arrl website shows this)

Oh in that case it must be right then.....

the plan to get rid of compulsory morse testing for hf access.

For gods sake... morse isnt the "be all and end all of radio", its an old
out-dated form of communication which had its use in the past but is now
just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why
not welcome the new Amateurs and encorage them to advance rather than look
down on them. The licence was made easier because the userbase of Amateur
was drastically on the decline. It was done to encorage more people to get
involved and keep the "hobby" alive.

Regards,
Graham

FAQ
 

"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt. Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.

FAQ
 

"zarPK"

rcom.ie.net wrote in message ...
"The Magnum" wrote:

just a form of elitist snobbery. Also trying to say anyone who doesnt
want
to learn morse is basically a "scumbag" shows Bigotry beyond contempt.
Why

I said no such thing !

you have some correcting to do.

That comment was meant for the posters who say people on Amateur Bands who
do not wish to involve themselves with morse are lowly class CBers who seem
to live in trailor parks and live off welfare and care nothing (scumbags in
other words) It wasnt aimed directly at you it was put in as an "Also" to
those who try to put that image over. Maybe I should have made it a bit
clearer.

Regards,
Graham