On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
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Steve "wannabe-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ


As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.

Just remember this: You reap what you sow.

Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull****.










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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

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Steve, K4YZ

As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.

Nope.

Just remember this: You reap what you sow.

Uh huh...Take your own counsel, you cowardly liar.

Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull####.

You ARE the "disgraceful bull#### ", Frankie.

You've "exposed" nothing. (Nothing of MINE, that is...)

You've guessed, lied, manufactured, and otherwise proactively
deceived others in order to salve your ego and to somehow "revenge"
yourself for YOUR failed USMC "career".

YOU are the one exposed, you little troll.

Like I said before...Too bad you weren't half the Marine in real
life that you perceive yourself today...You might have really been
something...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
ps.com:

snip

Steve, K4YZ

As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.


Nope.


Just remember this: You reap what you sow.


Uh huh...Take your own counsel, you cowardly liar.


Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull####.


You ARE the "disgraceful bull#### ", Frankie.

You've "exposed" nothing. (Nothing of MINE, that is...)

You've guessed, lied, manufactured, and otherwise proactively
deceived others in order to salve your ego and to somehow "revenge"
yourself for YOUR failed USMC "career".

YOU are the one exposed, you little troll.

Like I said before...Too bad you weren't half the Marine in real
life that you perceive yourself today...You might have really been
something...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Hey Steve, could you please stop xposting your flame wars with Frank and
keep it in the amateur ng? 73, Jim.

OK JIM........I'M GONE FOR NOW . YOU'RE SUCH A NICE GUY,I'M GONE.
jim wrote:
K4YZ wrote:
Frank Gilliland wrote:

On 17 Nov 2005 14:41:05 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
ps.com:

snip

Steve, K4YZ

As for you, Dud -- you have finally proven without any doubt that your
'career' as a Marine is one big lie.


Nope.


Just remember this: You reap what you sow.


Uh huh...Take your own counsel, you cowardly liar.


Now go away before I expose even more of your disgraceful bull####.


You ARE the "disgraceful bull#### ", Frankie.

You've "exposed" nothing. (Nothing of MINE, that is...)

You've guessed, lied, manufactured, and otherwise proactively
deceived others in order to salve your ego and to somehow "revenge"
yourself for YOUR failed USMC "career".

YOU are the one exposed, you little troll.

Like I said before...Too bad you weren't half the Marine in real
life that you perceive yourself today...You might have really been
something...

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

Hey Steve, could you please stop xposting your flame wars with Frank and
keep it in the amateur ng? 73, Jim.

On 17 Nov 2005 15:16:11 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

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Steve "wannabe-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ


Make all the justifications you want, Dud -- the fact is that you
unwittingly provided all the proof yourself........:


You didn't know squat about uniform issuance; you don't even remember
paying for your first uniform issue in boot camp from your chit book.

You didn't know squat about restriction or liberty, demonstrating that
you never served with any OOD which is a regular NCO duty (also done
by non-rates when there are no NCO's available -- did it myself a
couple times).

You didn't know that the Marine Corps has Shore Patrol, not MP's.

You didn't know that avionics techs (your alleged MOS) are regularly
deployed with the FMF.

You didn't know about the VINSON system. To wit: "I know who Col
Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never served with him/for
him/within 100 miles of him." Neither did you know that the VINSON
system replaced almost all outdated crypto systems in the late '70's,
including the old punch-pin monsters (KY-28/38 of the NESTOR system,
which had been almost completely replaced by the VINSON system by the
early '80's).

You didn't know the difference between a 'hitch', a 'cruise', and a
'float'.

You mistakenly assumed the origination of the phrase "One Shot One
Kill" was from the Army Sniper School; wrongfully presumed that it is
a tactic taught to all Marine recruits; then proceeded to demonstrate
your ignorance about basic combat tactics, the use of shotguns, and
the very common 40mm grenade launchers (M-79 & M-203).

You claimed that "the only targets used to train Marine riflemen (and
all recruits) [are] head shots and 'center mast', or chest shots", but
didn't know that the standard round marksmanship-type targets are also
used, and much more often than "dog" targets. In fact, most of rifle
qualification is done with the round targets. But you didn't know that
despite your claim to have "[taken] home an 'Rifle Expert' on each and
every trip to the range".

You didn't know that only the results of an Article 15 proceeding are
recorded, not the entire proceedings; and you don't even know what
page in the SRB they are recorded.

You didn't know that Marines are often prohibited from taking any
off-duty employment, nor did you know that such a decision is usually
made by the CO, not HQMC.

You didn't know that outside communications can be prohibited during a
base lock-down or unit activation.

You defined a 'chit' as "A Naval term for a 'permission
slip'", when in fact it means -any- piece of paper with something
written on it.

You didn't know that a dishonorable discharge can only be given as a
result of a conviction in a General court-martial, and is usually
given after a few years at Leavenworth and a reduction to Private.

You didn't know that the Corps doesn't use cutting scores for
promotions.

You misquoted your SIX alleged promotion certificates (a misquote that
I later found on google verbatim).

You didn't understand that "years and months in specialty" (box 11 on
the DD-214) is not the same as time in service, yet claimed that you
have -several- DD-214's.

You claimed that time on the delayed entry program was considered to
be time in reserve status but never was.

You stated that "My DD-214 says 'Honorable'...", yet after 1979 there
is no box on the form to designate character of service. The DD-214 is
only a "release or discharge from active duty", not a final discharge
certificate. Only that latter will denote the character of service.

You claimed to have served from 03 September, 1974 to 29 May, 1992.
That's only 17 years and 9 months. Yet you also claim to be retired,
which can only happen if you served 20 years. You also claimed to have
been discharged for medical reasons, having your discharge later
upgraded (a claim which you have both denied and acknowledged). You
didn't know that medical discharges cannot be upgraded, nor that time
not served cannot be arbitrarily added to the end of an enlistment in
order to obtain retirement benefits.

BTW, my MOS was 2841 which is "ground radio repair", not "ground radar
repair".

And you still haven't answered one really basic question: With all
your careers, activities and obligations, where do you find the time
to post as much as you do on Usenet?


Len was right -- you were never in the Marine Corps. You are indeed an
imposter.










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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 15:16:11 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

snip
Steve, K4YZ

Make all the justifications you want, Dud -- the fact is that you
unwittingly provided all the proof yourself........:

There's no "justifications", Frankie.

You lied, got busted, and now you're even more determined than
ever to TRY and hit some "responsive chord"....

THE BEST you can hope for is to show that your ONE tour in the
Marine Corps taught you just enough to surf the web in search of
keywords you HOPE will fill in the holes....Holes left by your legal
troubles while you WERE in....

So far, you're not doing so well...

You didn't know squat about uniform issuance; you don't even remember
paying for your first uniform issue in boot camp from your chit book.

Refer to the MCO.

I didn't pay a dime. Nor was it deducted from my pay.

The "chits" accounted for government money spent...Not mine.

You didn't know squat about restriction or liberty, demonstrating that
you never served with any OOD which is a regular NCO duty (also done
by non-rates when there are no NCO's available -- did it myself a
couple times).

Why do you insist on trying to perpetuate fabrications?

You didn't know that the Marine Corps has Shore Patrol, not MP's.

Oh?

Really?

QUOTE from "www.usmilitary.about.com"

United States Marine Corps Enlisted Job Descriptions and Qualification
Factors

FIELD 58, MILITARY POLICE AND CORRECTIONS

The military police and corrections OccFld provides the commander
continuous support by enforcing the law.

They are responsible for preventing and suppressing crime; assessing
command physical security posture; preserving military control;
quelling disturbances; investigating offenses; apprehending offenders
and protecting property and personnel.

They are also are responsible for providing flightline security;
registering and controlling privately owned vehicles and weapons;
investigating traffic accidents; controlling traffic; antiterrorism;
handling and safeguarding prisoners of war, refugees, or evacuees.

Also, conducting small unit offensive and defensive combat operations;
guarding military prisoners and absentees/deserters returned to
military control; and supervising brig operations and correctional
custody units.
Entry-level specialties available include military police and
Correctional specialists.

Primary MOS's

5811-- Military Police

5821-- Criminal Investigator

5831-- Correctional Specialist

Secondary MOS's (See Note Below)

5812-- Working Dog Handler

5813-- Accident Investigator

5814-- Crime Prevention/Physical Security Specialist

5816-- Special Reaction Team (SRT) Member

5819-- Military Police Investigator

5822-- Polygraph Examiner

5832-- Correctional Counselor

UNQUOTE

So Frankie...What about those non-existant MP's...?!?!

Need some more Kleenex to clean off that bloody nose, punk?

I snipped the rest.

You can "argue" that I was trying to be "evasive", but the truth
of the matter is that YOU are the one with credibility issues here, and
they are in no small way due to your ego overdriving your common sense,
Frankie.

In short, you're a disgusting little troll looking to be a big
disgusting troll....

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
"post cut"
You didn't know that the Marine Corps has Shore Patrol, not MP's.
Steve, K4YZ

2 of my step brothers were Marine MP's. Have fun fighting with Frank, I kill
filed him over a year ago.

On 19 Nov 2005 06:59:53 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 17 Nov 2005 15:16:11 -0800, "Major Dud" wrote in
.com:

snip
Steve, K4YZ

Make all the justifications you want, Dud -- the fact is that you
unwittingly provided all the proof yourself........:

There's no "justifications", Frankie.

You lied, got busted, and now you're even more determined than
ever to TRY and hit some "responsive chord"....

THE BEST you can hope for is to show that your ONE tour in the
Marine Corps taught you just enough to surf the web in search of
keywords you HOPE will fill in the holes....Holes left by your legal
troubles while you WERE in....

So far, you're not doing so well...

You didn't know squat about uniform issuance; you don't even remember
paying for your first uniform issue in boot camp from your chit book.

Refer to the MCO.


You mean the MCO dated 13 years after you "retired"?


I didn't pay a dime. Nor was it deducted from my pay.

The "chits" accounted for government money spent...Not mine.


Get a grip, Dud -- anyone who's ever been through MCRD knows better.
The truth can be found in the hundreds of accounts that are available
through a simple google search. Either you are wrong or every other
Marine who ever graduated from boot camp is wrong.


You didn't know squat about restriction or liberty, demonstrating that
you never served with any OOD which is a regular NCO duty (also done
by non-rates when there are no NCO's available -- did it myself a
couple times).

Why do you insist on trying to perpetuate fabrications?


Not a fabrication at all, Dud. Your own confusion about the issue is
recorded in the archives for anyone to read. Would you like me to
quote your own posts for you?


You didn't know that the Marine Corps has Shore Patrol, not MP's.

Oh?

Really?

QUOTE from "www.usmilitary.about.com"

United States Marine Corps Enlisted Job Descriptions and Qualification
Factors

FIELD 58, MILITARY POLICE AND CORRECTIONS

The military police and corrections OccFld provides the commander
continuous support by enforcing the law.

They are responsible for preventing and suppressing crime; assessing
command physical security posture; preserving military control;
quelling disturbances; investigating offenses; apprehending offenders
and protecting property and personnel.

They are also are responsible for providing flightline security;
registering and controlling privately owned vehicles and weapons;
investigating traffic accidents; controlling traffic; antiterrorism;
handling and safeguarding prisoners of war, refugees, or evacuees.

Also, conducting small unit offensive and defensive combat operations;
guarding military prisoners and absentees/deserters returned to
military control; and supervising brig operations and correctional
custody units.
Entry-level specialties available include military police and
Correctional specialists.

Primary MOS's

5811-- Military Police

5821-- Criminal Investigator

5831-- Correctional Specialist

Secondary MOS's (See Note Below)

5812-- Working Dog Handler

5813-- Accident Investigator

5814-- Crime Prevention/Physical Security Specialist

5816-- Special Reaction Team (SRT) Member

5819-- Military Police Investigator

5822-- Polygraph Examiner

5832-- Correctional Counselor

UNQUOTE

So Frankie...What about those non-existant MP's...?!?!


Well by golly, you -REALLY CAN- provide proof of something. It wasn't
that hard, was it, Dudly? Or did Han's send you the info in an email?
Either way, you were willing and able to address the issue. Progress!


Need some more Kleenex to clean off that bloody nose, punk?


Nope, and you are too dumb to see that you just gave -yourself- a
bloody nose.


I snipped the rest.


I'll do you a favor and 'unsnip' it so you can address the issues just
like you addressed the MP/SP issue. If you like I can repost my
allegations with quotes from your own posts so you can address them
more specifically -- would that help, Dud?

Ok, let's try this again..........


You didn't know that avionics techs (your alleged MOS) are regularly
deployed with the FMF.

You didn't know about the VINSON system. To wit: "I know who Col
Vinson was and I know where Ft Gordon is. Never served with him/for
him/within 100 miles of him." Neither did you know that the VINSON
system replaced almost all outdated crypto systems in the late '70's,
including the old punch-pin monsters (KY-28/38 of the NESTOR system,
which had been almost completely replaced by the VINSON system by the
early '80's).

You didn't know the difference between a 'hitch', a 'cruise', and a
'float'.

You mistakenly assumed the origination of the phrase "One Shot One
Kill" was from the Army Sniper School; wrongfully presumed that it is
a tactic taught to all Marine recruits; then proceeded to demonstrate
your ignorance about basic combat tactics, the use of shotguns, and
the very common 40mm grenade launchers (M-79 & M-203).

You claimed that "the only targets used to train Marine riflemen (and
all recruits) [are] head shots and 'center mast', or chest shots", but
didn't know that the standard round marksmanship-type targets are also
used, and much more often than "dog" targets. In fact, most of rifle
qualification is done with the round targets. But you didn't know that
despite your claim to have "[taken] home an 'Rifle Expert' on each and
every trip to the range".

You didn't know that only the results of an Article 15 proceeding are
recorded, not the entire proceedings; and you don't even know what
page in the SRB they are recorded.

You didn't know that Marines are often prohibited from taking any
off-duty employment, nor did you know that such a decision is usually
made by the CO, not HQMC.

You didn't know that outside communications can be prohibited during a
base lock-down or unit activation.

You defined a 'chit' as "A Naval term for a 'permission
slip'", when in fact it means -any- piece of paper with something
written on it.

You didn't know that a dishonorable discharge can only be given as a
result of a conviction in a General court-martial, and is usually
given after a few years at Leavenworth and a reduction to Private.

You didn't know that the Corps doesn't use cutting scores for
promotions.

You misquoted your SIX alleged promotion certificates (a misquote that
I later found on google verbatim).

You didn't understand that "years and months in specialty" (box 11 on
the DD-214) is not the same as time in service, yet claimed that you
have -several- DD-214's.

You claimed that time on the delayed entry program was considered to
be time in reserve status but never was.

You stated that "My DD-214 says 'Honorable'...", yet after 1979 there
is no box on the form to designate character of service. The DD-214 is
only a "release or discharge from active duty", not a final discharge
certificate. Only that latter will denote the character of service.

You claimed to have served from 03 September, 1974 to 29 May, 1992.
That's only 17 years and 9 months. Yet you also claim to be retired,
which can only happen if you served 20 years. You also claimed to have
been discharged for medical reasons, having your discharge later
upgraded (a claim which you have both denied and acknowledged). You
didn't know that medical discharges cannot be upgraded, nor that time
not served cannot be arbitrarily added to the end of an enlistment in
order to obtain retirement benefits.

BTW, my MOS was 2841 which is "ground radio repair", not "ground radar
repair".

And you still haven't answered one really basic question: With all
your careers, activities and obligations, where do you find the time
to post as much as you do on Usenet?



You can "argue" that I was trying to be "evasive",


......and it would be a valid argument.


but the truth
of the matter is that YOU are the one with credibility issues here, and
they are in no small way due to your ego overdriving your common sense,
Frankie.


The truth of the matter is that you want your dessert but you aren't
eating your veggies.


In short, you're a disgusting little troll looking to be a big
disgusting troll....


No, Dud, I already -=AM=- a big disgusting troll. But that's a far
better thing to be than a Marine Corps imposter.


Putz.


Well gee, if that's the way you are going to be I might as well tip my
King now, huh? I mean, that's about the most persuasive argument that
you have made in your defense since this discussion began. How can I
possibly ever counter something so monumentally substantial as you
calling me "Putz"? I'm doomed........LOL!!!!!


Steve "wannabe-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ


I'm going nowhere until you address your lies, Dud.









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Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 19 Nov 2005 06:59:53 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
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Steve "wannabe-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ


I'm going nowhere until you address your lies, Dud.


I hope you have a comfy chair you will be here a LONG time

On 19 Nov 2005 19:52:48 -0800, "an old friend"
wrote in .com:


Frank Gilliland wrote:
On 19 Nov 2005 06:59:53 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote in
.com:
cut

Steve "wannabe-Marine" Robeson, K4YZ


I'm going nowhere until you address your lies, Dud.


I hope you have a comfy chair you will be here a LONG time


I've been on the internet for over 15 years, and was networking
locally about 12 years before that using a dual 8" floppy DEC and a
Silent 700 with built-in modem pushing 300 baud -- I can wait.









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