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102" whip
Im thinking of getting a 102" whip, I dont think I need the spring
because of where im mounting it. But is it nessesary? Should I get it with the whip ? |
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You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in
performance if mounted in the proper location... but there are several major things to consider. The first is location. To have good omni performance... the whip must be centered on the mass of metal ground plane. This means the center of the vehicle... in laymans terms... the roof. That brings us to the second consideration. Do you want an antenna that tall on you roof. It will be banging everything from trees to overhangs at the gas station. It is most inconvienient. My personal choice is the Wilson 1000 magnet for several reasons. It's well made... has a good strong magnet... and is much better suited/convienient to roof mounting. I would estimate that its performance is perhaps 80% of the 102" whip when mounted on that location. Hope that helps. Professor www.telstar-electronics.com |
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: Professor wrote:
: You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in : performance if mounted in the proper location... What about gain antennas such as the common 1/2 or 5/8 wave? I would venture to say gain antennas would be much better performers for the other 99.999% of us. cheers, skipp |
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On 25 Jan 2006 04:48:05 -0800, "Professor"
wrote: You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in performance if mounted in the proper location... It depends on what 102" you are talking about. Not all 102" antennas are created equal. Some 102" antennas can actually be beat by some shorter antennas. Let the games begin. |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:55:38 +0000 (UTC), Skipp out in left field
wrote in : : Professor wrote: : You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in : performance if mounted in the proper location... What about gain antennas such as the common 1/2 or 5/8 wave? Assuming this is a mobile install..... A 1/2w antenna is not a "gain" antenna and requires a high-impedance feed. A 5/8w also requires some impedance matching at the base, but its benefits in a mobile installation aren't realized because of the heavy loading required (a 5/8w at 11m is about 22 feet high!). I would venture to say gain antennas would be much better performers for the other 99.999% of us. I wouldn't "venture to say" anything of the sort. I have installed lots of antennas and tuned them up with a FSM. So far I haven't found a single antenna that can beat a properly installed (and sometimes improperly installed) 1/4w (102") whip. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:41:13 GMT, Lancer wrote in
retet1pmcedd6m33kunpolbejflla9iq08@2355323778: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:02:08 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:55:38 +0000 (UTC), Skipp out in left field wrote in : : Professor wrote: : You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in : performance if mounted in the proper location... What about gain antennas such as the common 1/2 or 5/8 wave? Assuming this is a mobile install..... A 1/2w antenna is not a "gain" antenna and requires a high-impedance feed. A 5/8w also requires some impedance matching at the base, but its benefits in a mobile installation aren't realized because of the heavy loading required (a 5/8w at 11m is about 22 feet high!). Frank; A 1/2 wave doesn't have gain over a 1/4 wave? Sure, if it's standing a full 18 feet tall. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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... On 25 Jan 2006 04:48:05 -0800, "Professor" wrote: You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in performance if mounted in the proper location... It depends on what 102" you are talking about. Not all 102" antennas are created equal. Some 102" antennas can actually be beat by some shorter antennas. Let the games begin. Mounted properly the 102" is king. |
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Let the games begin. Mounted properly the 102" is king. King of what? |
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Mounted properly the 102" is king.
King of what? King of beers? |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:41:13 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+Frank; + A 1/2 wave doesn't have gain over a 1/4 wave? ***** Correct it doesn't james |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:21:12 -0600, "DrDeath"
wrote: wrote in message ... + On 25 Jan 2006 04:48:05 -0800, "Professor" + wrote: + +You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in +performance if mounted in the proper location... + + It depends on what 102" you are talking about. Not all 102" + antennas are created equal. Some 102" antennas can actually + be beat by some shorter antennas. + + Let the games begin. + +Mounted properly the 102" is king. + ***** I concur. A properly mounted 102 inch whip will and should perform better than any loaded antenna. Now I define performance as a combination of radiated power and VSWR bandwidth. VSWR bandwidth is as improtant as radiated power as it is an indicator of antenna radiation resistance and "Q" of the antenna. Both have effect on the efficiency of the antenna over the disired operating bandwidth of the antenna. james |
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... Let the games begin. Mounted properly the 102" is king. King of what? Of mobile antennas of course. Unless your participating in a keydown and need some oil cooled coil, you will get the best results with a 102" and they are good (most of them) to 1kw. |
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"Big Rich Soprano" wrote in message
... Mounted properly the 102" is king. King of what? King of beers? That would be Budweiser! |
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"Steveo" wrote in message Snipped The 102" rocks, except for its tree pruning and over-hang scraping qualities..oh and it's a bit on the odious side appearance wise. I have that mount and a Wilson 1000 on one of my trucks, I rarely put the 102" on because of the noise it makes banging off of things, and it's somewhat directional mounted on the step bumper. (good dx shooter) The Wilson 1000 mag mount is hard to beat for most practical applications. I have mine mounted in the center of my truck box, puts it pretty close to center. I have to tie down for the drive through. |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:10:41 -0600, "DrDeath"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Let the games begin. Mounted properly the 102" is king. King of what? Of mobile antennas of course. Unless your participating in a keydown and need some oil cooled coil, you will get the best results with a 102" and they are good (most of them) to 1kw. You will get good results but not necessarily the best results. |
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I concur. A properly mounted 102 inch whip will and should perform better than any loaded antenna. In theory yes. In practice it may not. A 102" stainless steel whip can be beat by some shorter (loaded) antennas. |
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... On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:10:41 -0600, "DrDeath" wrote: wrote in message . .. Let the games begin. Mounted properly the 102" is king. King of what? Of mobile antennas of course. Unless your participating in a keydown and need some oil cooled coil, you will get the best results with a 102" and they are good (most of them) to 1kw. You will get good results but not necessarily the best results. How so? Give me an example. Unless Jay wants to put an I10K on his truck. Out in the desert he could weld 20 foot of tower in the bed. LOL |
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Of mobile antennas of course. Unless your participating in a keydown and need some oil cooled coil, you will get the best results with a 102" and they are good (most of them) to 1kw. You will get good results but not necessarily the best results. How so? Give me an example. Unless Jay wants to put an I10K on his truck. Out in the desert he could weld 20 foot of tower in the bed. LOL Power handling aside the 102" stainless steel whip is a good antenna but can be marginally beat by other shorter antennas. These shorter antennas tend to consist of large diameter antenna stock made of brass or copper usually with a chrome plating. They also are center loaded with a large diameter air gapped coil.. One such antenna, and I'm sure there are others, is the X-terminator at about five foot tall. |
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... O Of mobile antennas of course. Unless your participating in a keydown and need some oil cooled coil, you will get the best results with a 102" and they are good (most of them) to 1kw. You will get good results but not necessarily the best results. How so? Give me an example. Unless Jay wants to put an I10K on his truck. Out in the desert he could weld 20 foot of tower in the bed. LOL Power handling aside the 102" stainless steel whip is a good antenna but can be marginally beat by other shorter antennas. These shorter antennas tend to consist of large diameter antenna stock made of brass or copper usually with a chrome plating. They also are center loaded with a large diameter air gapped coil.. One such antenna, and I'm sure there are others, is the X-terminator at about five foot tall. I've never used that brand before, but have used many other base and center loaded units. You certainly can't count on manufactures claims of their products performance. I'll put my 102" up against any I have used in the past any day of the week. Nobody in my town can out talk me on the mobile. |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:18:22 -0500, wrote in
: I concur. A properly mounted 102 inch whip will and should perform better than any loaded antenna. In theory yes. In practice it may not. A 102" stainless steel whip can be beat by some shorter (loaded) antennas. Wrong. By it's very nature, a loaded antenna loses some power in the loading coil and therefore is not as efficient as an antenna without one. The only way a shorter antenna could outperform a full-length 1/4-wave whip is if it had some way to pull down the take-off angle. So far, nobody has provided any theory or empirical evidence that any such antenna exists, or is even possible. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:47:05 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:13:39 GMT, james wrote: + +On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:21:12 -0600, "DrDeath" wrote: + wrote in message ++news:mgcit1lk0jppe7sisb2gp7va9s9tmuqk41@4ax .com... ++ On 25 Jan 2006 04:48:05 -0800, "Professor" ++ wrote: ++ ++You don't need the spring... and the 102" is unparalleled in ++performance if mounted in the proper location... ++ ++ It depends on what 102" you are talking about. Not all 102" ++ antennas are created equal. Some 102" antennas can actually ++ be beat by some shorter antennas. ++ ++ Let the games begin. ++ ++Mounted properly the 102" is king. ++ +***** + +I concur. A properly mounted 102 inch whip will and should perform +better than any loaded antenna. + +Now I define performance as a combination of radiated power and VSWR +bandwidth. VSWR bandwidth is as improtant as radiated power as it is +an indicator of antenna radiation resistance and "Q" of the antenna. +Both have effect on the efficiency of the antenna over the disired +operating bandwidth of the antenna. + +james + +"Should" perform better is fine, "will" perform better is not always +the case.. ***** Yes even the best antenna, installed poorly will be o ut performed by a lesser antenna that is properly installed. Installation on a vehicle is far more influenced by where it is located and the vehicle itself. SO for vehicular installations it is not very wise and prudent to make claims as to which antenna is the best. Given all other obsticles equal, the 1/4 lambda antenna will out performe physically shorter antennae. Then not all vehicles are equal, then comparison becomes more a gentleman's gambit. james |
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Power handling aside the 102" stainless steel whip is a good antenna but can be marginally beat by other shorter antennas. These shorter antennas tend to consist of large diameter antenna stock made of brass or copper usually with a chrome plating. They also are center loaded with a large diameter air gapped coil.. One such antenna, and I'm sure there are others, is the X-terminator at about five foot tall. I've never used that brand before, but have used many other base and center loaded units. You certainly can't count on manufactures claims of their products performance. I'll put my 102" up against any I have used in the past any day of the week. Nobody in my town can out talk me on the mobile. You made two statements that need to be examined 1. Never trust manufacturers claims (or individuals) 2. You put your 102" up against others. The only problem is that you never have put your 102" ss up against the antenna I am speaking of, and we should never trust the claim of others. You and me included. So how do YOU find the truth? You must make a side by side comparison as I have. Any claims based on anything less than that is just a waste of discussion. |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:44:19 GMT, Lancer wrote:
+On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:20:36 GMT, james wrote: + +On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:41:13 GMT, Lancer wrote: + ++Frank; ++ A 1/2 wave doesn't have gain over a 1/4 wave? +***** + +Correct it doesn't + +james +Really, a 1/2 wave vertical has no gain over a 1/4 wave vertical? + +Go back to school... you missed something.. ****** missed nothing. Just wanted to see your reaction. I am pleased with your reaction. Thanks james |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:31:41 -0800, Frank Gilliland
wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:18:22 -0500, wrote in : I concur. A properly mounted 102 inch whip will and should perform better than any loaded antenna. In theory yes. In practice it may not. A 102" stainless steel whip can be beat by some shorter (loaded) antennas. Wrong. By it's very nature, a loaded antenna loses some power in the loading coil and therefore is not as efficient as an antenna without one. The only way a shorter antenna could outperform a full-length 1/4-wave whip is if it had some way to pull down the take-off angle. So far, nobody has provided any theory or empirical evidence that any such antenna exists, or is even possible. I agree with everything that you said except the wrong sentence. A ideal 1/4 wave length antenna can never be beat by a shorter one. In other words a efficiently designed loaded antenna like the X-Terminator can not beat the ideal 1/4 antenna. Yet the X-terminator can beat a radio shack 102" SS whip.It's not that the X-Terminator is so good. It's that the 102" SS whip is just bad enough that the X-Terminator can beat it. In other words the radio shack 102" SS whip is not ideal. |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 23:35:16 GMT, james wrote
in : On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:44:19 GMT, Lancer wrote: +On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:20:36 GMT, james wrote: + +On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 01:41:13 GMT, Lancer wrote: + ++Frank; ++ A 1/2 wave doesn't have gain over a 1/4 wave? +***** + +Correct it doesn't + +james +Really, a 1/2 wave vertical has no gain over a 1/4 wave vertical? + +Go back to school... you missed something.. ****** missed nothing. Just wanted to see your reaction. I am pleased with your reaction. Thanks james =plonk= ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:35:07 -0500, wrote in
: Power handling aside the 102" stainless steel whip is a good antenna but can be marginally beat by other shorter antennas. These shorter antennas tend to consist of large diameter antenna stock made of brass or copper usually with a chrome plating. They also are center loaded with a large diameter air gapped coil.. One such antenna, and I'm sure there are others, is the X-terminator at about five foot tall. I've never used that brand before, but have used many other base and center loaded units. You certainly can't count on manufactures claims of their products performance. I'll put my 102" up against any I have used in the past any day of the week. Nobody in my town can out talk me on the mobile. You made two statements that need to be examined 1. Never trust manufacturers claims (or individuals) 2. You put your 102" up against others. The only problem is that you never have put your 102" ss up against the antenna I am speaking of, and we should never trust the claim of others. You and me included. So how do YOU find the truth? You must make a side by side comparison as I have. Any claims based on anything less than that is just a waste of discussion. By your own words, "we should never trust the claim of others". Therefore, we shouldn't trust your claim to have made a "side by side comparison" with this mystery antenna. Ok, we won't. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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So how do YOU find the truth? You must make a side by side comparison as I have. Any claims based on anything less than that is just a waste of discussion. By your own words, "we should never trust the claim of others". Therefore, we shouldn't trust your claim to have made a "side by side comparison" with this mystery antenna. Ok, we won't. I said you don't have to believe me, but it is easier to believe someone who has actually stated that he has made the comparisons and has posted the details. What you really should do is make the comparison yourself. We would never believe you, but at least you'd know the truth. |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:47:12 -0500, wrote in
: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:31:41 -0800, Frank Gilliland wrote: On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:18:22 -0500, wrote in : I concur. A properly mounted 102 inch whip will and should perform better than any loaded antenna. In theory yes. In practice it may not. A 102" stainless steel whip can be beat by some shorter (loaded) antennas. Wrong. By it's very nature, a loaded antenna loses some power in the loading coil and therefore is not as efficient as an antenna without one. The only way a shorter antenna could outperform a full-length 1/4-wave whip is if it had some way to pull down the take-off angle. So far, nobody has provided any theory or empirical evidence that any such antenna exists, or is even possible. I agree with everything that you said except the wrong sentence. A ideal 1/4 wave length antenna can never be beat by a shorter one. In other words a efficiently designed loaded antenna like the X-Terminator can not beat the ideal 1/4 antenna. Yet the X-terminator can beat a radio shack 102" SS whip.It's not that the X-Terminator is so good. It's that the 102" SS whip is just bad enough that the X-Terminator can beat it. In other words the radio shack 102" SS whip is not ideal. We've been through this before, tnom -- chrome-plated anything isn't much better than stainless steel, and any difference isn't going to make a lick of difference when length and loading are much more significant. Even if the whip is sold by Radio Shaft. After all, the design isn't very complicated..... ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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We've been through this before, tnom -- chrome-plated anything isn't much better than stainless steel, and any difference isn't going to make a lick of difference when length and loading are much more significant. Even if the whip is sold by Radio Shaft. After all, the design isn't very complicated..... Yes, we have been through this before, and I never made a definitive conclusion as to why I got the results I got. Yes, we have been through this before and no one has ever done the side by side comparison that would duplicate my results. Yes, we have been through this before and will again because no one will admit that the only way to find the truth is by a side by side comparison. |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:13:49 -0500, wrote in
: So how do YOU find the truth? You must make a side by side comparison as I have. Any claims based on anything less than that is just a waste of discussion. By your own words, "we should never trust the claim of others". Therefore, we shouldn't trust your claim to have made a "side by side comparison" with this mystery antenna. Ok, we won't. I said you don't have to believe me, but it is easier to believe someone who has actually stated that he has made the comparisons and has posted the details. ......clickity-clickity-clickity..... (the sound of backpedalling) What you really should do is make the comparison yourself. We would never believe you, but at least you'd know the truth. That would be the ideal scenario. However, it requires that I purchase one of these antennas that you are selling, and I don't care to risk my money on an antenna that purportedly defies the laws of physics with only marginal benefits, especially when my 102" whip does the job quite nicely and for a fraction of the cost. But you go right ahead and preach your version of "the truth" and I'll keep preaching common sense, ok? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I said you don't have to believe me, but it is easier to believe someone who has actually stated that he has made the comparisons and has posted the details. .....clickity-clickity-clickity..... (the sound of backpedalling) I have always been up front and consistent with the specifics of this discussion. If you think I'm back pedaling it is most likely caused by your less than stellar reading comprehension. What you really should do is make the comparison yourself. We would never believe you, but at least you'd know the truth. That would be the ideal scenario. However, it requires that I purchase one of these antennas that you are selling, and I don't care to risk my money on an antenna that purportedly defies the laws of physics with only marginal benefits, especially when my 102" whip does the job quite nicely and for a fraction of the cost. But you go right ahead and preach your version of "the truth" and I'll keep preaching common sense, ok? Well, I once believed just as you do until I did take the time and spent the money to check things out myself. Tell me, who went farther to seek the truth? |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:24:36 -0500, wrote in
: We've been through this before, tnom -- chrome-plated anything isn't much better than stainless steel, and any difference isn't going to make a lick of difference when length and loading are much more significant. Even if the whip is sold by Radio Shaft. After all, the design isn't very complicated..... Yes, we have been through this before, and I never made a definitive conclusion as to why I got the results I got. Well, aren't you persistently making the claim that this antenna you're selling is better than a 102" whip? I would call -that- a definitive conclusion, wouldn't you? Yes, we have been through this before and no one has ever done the side by side comparison that would duplicate my results. Ever think it's because bogus results can't be duplicated? Yes, we have been through this before and will again because no one will admit that the only way to find the truth is by a side by side comparison. I agree 100%. But once again, since nobody should take anyone else's word on the subject, it requires a person to buy -both- antennas. Good way to sell antennas to morons; bad way to sell antennas to people with more than half a brain. Now if you are willing to refund the purchase price and shipping if your antenna doesn't meet or exceed the performance of a 102" whip, be it SS or glass, then send me an order form. Otherwise, your sales pitch is lame. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:31:34 -0500, wrote in
: I said you don't have to believe me, but it is easier to believe someone who has actually stated that he has made the comparisons and has posted the details. .....clickity-clickity-clickity..... (the sound of backpedalling) I have always been up front and consistent with the specifics of this discussion. If you think I'm back pedaling it is most likely caused by your less than stellar reading comprehension. Once again, you said "we should never trust the claim of others". But after that backfired in your face you qualified it with, "but it is easier to believe....." Correct me if I'm wrong here, but "never" doesn't include "easier", does it? What you really should do is make the comparison yourself. We would never believe you, but at least you'd know the truth. That would be the ideal scenario. However, it requires that I purchase one of these antennas that you are selling, and I don't care to risk my money on an antenna that purportedly defies the laws of physics with only marginal benefits, especially when my 102" whip does the job quite nicely and for a fraction of the cost. But you go right ahead and preach your version of "the truth" and I'll keep preaching common sense, ok? Well, I once believed just as you do until I did take the time and spent the money to check things out myself. Tell me, who went farther to seek the truth? Yet you can't account for the results. Looks like you didn't go far enough. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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We've been through this before, tnom -- chrome-plated anything isn't much better than stainless steel, and any difference isn't going to make a lick of difference when length and loading are much more significant. Even if the whip is sold by Radio Shaft. After all, the design isn't very complicated..... Yes, we have been through this before, and I never made a definitive conclusion as to why I got the results I got. Well, aren't you persistently making the claim that this antenna you're selling is better than a 102" whip? I would call -that- a definitive conclusion, wouldn't you? Reading comprehension mistake on your part. Hint - the use of the word "why" False conclusion on your part. Hint - You believe I sell antennas. Yes, we have been through this before and no one has ever done the side by side comparison that would duplicate my results. Ever think it's because bogus results can't be duplicated? You would never know unless you'd try. Have you ever tried??? Yes, we have been through this before and will again because no one will admit that the only way to find the truth is by a side by side comparison. I agree 100%. But once again, since nobody should take anyone else's word on the subject, it requires a person to buy -both- antennas. Good way to sell antennas to morons; bad way to sell antennas to people with more than half a brain. Now if you are willing to refund the purchase price and shipping if your antenna doesn't meet or exceed the performance of a 102" whip, be it SS or glass, then send me an order form. Otherwise, your sales pitch is lame. If you agree that a side by side comparison is best then why not do it. I'll tell you the answer............ You'd rather argue with un provable hypothesis than seek the real truth by your own test. |
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I have always been up front and consistent with the specifics of this discussion. If you think I'm back pedaling it is most likely caused by your less than stellar reading comprehension. Once again, you said "we should never trust the claim of others". But after that backfired in your face you qualified it with, "but it is easier to believe....." Correct me if I'm wrong here, but "never" doesn't include "easier", does it? Again your reading comprehension is flawed. The other poster said never. I said "you don't have to believe me" What you really should do is make the comparison yourself. We would never believe you, but at least you'd know the truth. That would be the ideal scenario. However, it requires that I purchase one of these antennas that you are selling, and I don't care to risk my money on an antenna that purportedly defies the laws of physics with only marginal benefits, especially when my 102" whip does the job quite nicely and for a fraction of the cost. But you go right ahead and preach your version of "the truth" and I'll keep preaching common sense, ok? Well, I once believed just as you do until I did take the time and spent the money to check things out myself. Tell me, who went farther to seek the truth? Yet you can't account for the results. Looks like you didn't go far enough. I've suggested reasons for the results, but admitted that I don't have a definitive conclusion as to WHY the results were as is,nor do I have to in order to post the results. |
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WOW! 40 something posts on this thread without swearing.
40 something posts without name calling. 40 something posts without perverse comments |
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"DrDeath" wrote:
"Big Rich Soprano" wrote in message ... Mounted properly the 102" is king. King of what? King of beers? That would be Budweiser! Hiccup, nope that's rolling rock! |
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