A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.


Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Bill Turner wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 09:49:30 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:


A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.


Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

__________________________________________________ _______

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting?

Because the program is crap, its concept is crap and its handling of
plain-text vs. HTML is even more crap. MS-quoted line look like crap.

Now, tell me, if it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap,
what would you call it?

Default?

Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant.

No can do.

I really want your evaluation of the question.

I doubt that.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Bill Turner wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 09:49:30 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:


A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.


Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

__________________________________________________ _______

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting?

Because the program is crap, its concept is crap and its handling of
plain-text vs. HTML is even more crap. MS-quoted line look like crap.

Now, tell me, if it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap,
what would you call it?

Default?

Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant.

No can do.

I really want your evaluation of the question.

I doubt that.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:27:01 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting? Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant. I really
want your evaluation of the question.

This question has been answered many times.

Microsoft Outlook places the cursor at the top of the quoted text to
enable the respondent to work his way down through the text, inserting
his replies at the appropriate points AFTER the original text, and
trimming all superfluous quoted material.

I thought that was fairly obvious.

You are giving both MS and its users way too much credit in the thinking
department.

"It's the default setting" is the one and only correct answer to the question.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:27:01 -0800, Bill Turner
wrote:

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting? Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant. I really
want your evaluation of the question.

This question has been answered many times.

Microsoft Outlook places the cursor at the top of the quoted text to
enable the respondent to work his way down through the text, inserting
his replies at the appropriate points AFTER the original text, and
trimming all superfluous quoted material.

I thought that was fairly obvious.

You are giving both MS and its users way too much credit in the thinking
department.

"It's the default setting" is the one and only correct answer to the question.

Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Egad blokes

Nothing here about CW abbreviated numbers.
Nothing here about DX Contest Funnies.
Nothing here about DX
In fact nothing here

And you guys are arguing about Internet etiquette !!!

And the pot has called the kettle black

Perhaps Toleranz is in order

--
ID - Fow Get A Bout It



"Peter Lemken" wrote in message
...
Bill Turner wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 09:49:30 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:


A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.


Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

__________________________________________________ _______

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting?

Because the program is crap, its concept is crap and its handling of
plain-text vs. HTML is even more crap. MS-quoted line look like crap.

Now, tell me, if it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap,
what would you call it?

Default?

Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant.

No can do.

I really want your evaluation of the question.

I doubt that.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

Egad blokes

Nothing here about CW abbreviated numbers.
Nothing here about DX Contest Funnies.
Nothing here about DX
In fact nothing here

And you guys are arguing about Internet etiquette !!!

And the pot has called the kettle black

Perhaps Toleranz is in order

--
ID - Fow Get A Bout It



"Peter Lemken" wrote in message
...
Bill Turner wrote:
On 30 Nov 2004 09:49:30 GMT, (Peter Lemken)
wrote:


A: It defies the logic of sequential reading.


Q: Why is top posting a nuisance?

Peter Lemken
Berlin

__________________________________________________ _______

Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting?

Because the program is crap, its concept is crap and its handling of
plain-text vs. HTML is even more crap. MS-quoted line look like crap.

Now, tell me, if it looks like crap, feels like crap and smells like crap,
what would you call it?

Default?

Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant.

No can do.

I really want your evaluation of the question.

I doubt that.


Peter Lemken
DF5JT
Berlin

--
Toleranz, das war doch diese resultierende Verhaltensweise, wenn man sich
zwischen Abscheu und Mitleid nicht entscheiden kann.

(Andreas Kroschel in de.alt.talk.unmut)

If you have ever heard or used these

9=N, 0=T, 1=A

Then you have heard or used abbreviated numbers, also called cut numbers.

For the full set -- See URL:
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm
--
Gore Rilla



"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS
Typically Used In Contests

(sorry, can't reproduce them on my mail system)

Where is this list from? No problem with 0, 1 and 9 but "V"
for 4? Peter said VV was meant to be 33 in the case of EA8ZS
in the recent contest....

I have never heard any of those other abbreviations used in
15+ yrs of CW contesting. I have heard a single "dit" for 5,
as part of "599", when it's unambiguous. And in the ARRL
contest when power is part of the exchange, I've heard 599 000
for a KW (I sometimes reply "fb QRP").

I hope nobody sends these things to me in a contest as a serial
number, other than 0, 1 and 9!

Derek aa5bt (I guess that's 11560, or something...)

If you have ever heard or used these

9=N, 0=T, 1=A

Then you have heard or used abbreviated numbers, also called cut numbers.

For the full set -- See URL:
http://www.aritrieste.it/morse.htm
--
Gore Rilla



"Derek Wills" wrote in message
...

ABBREVIATED NUMBERS
Typically Used In Contests

(sorry, can't reproduce them on my mail system)

Where is this list from? No problem with 0, 1 and 9 but "V"
for 4? Peter said VV was meant to be 33 in the case of EA8ZS
in the recent contest....

I have never heard any of those other abbreviations used in
15+ yrs of CW contesting. I have heard a single "dit" for 5,
as part of "599", when it's unambiguous. And in the ARRL
contest when power is part of the exchange, I've heard 599 000
for a KW (I sometimes reply "fb QRP").

I hope nobody sends these things to me in a contest as a serial
number, other than 0, 1 and 9!

Derek aa5bt (I guess that's 11560, or something...)

Bill Turner wrote:
Then why does the most-used email program in the world default to top
posting? Please don't answer with an anti-Microsoft rant. I really
want your evaluation of the question.

Most popular and right are not necessarily the same thing...

(in general programmers tend to do these things they way they like it to
work, whether anyone else prefers it that way or not...

That applies both to Microsoft programs (why, in Word, do you click on
"Format" to format paragraphs, fonts, and lines -- but "File" to format
the page?!) and to Linux programs. (I love the Joe editor, except....
the control-arrow keys don't work, you use control-X and control-Z
instead...)

Even Macs have had their not-so-good moments. I remember the first Mac
I tried to stuff on the building network. Here's a box for inputting
the IP address. Stick in "192.168.1.4" - it says "Invalid entry". ??!!
Turns out what it wanted was 2158493956.)

I think Walt has the right answer. (except for the part about it being
obvious...) You're supposed to delete any quoted text that has nothing
to do with your reply, then put the cursor after the material you're
replying to and type from there.

If you do delete the irrelevant text and type your comments after the
relevant quotes, then it really doesn't matter where your mailer leaves
the cursor.

If you *don't* delete the irrelevant text then I suppose it does make
more sense to top-post -- so that the reader doesn't have to wade
through all the irrelevant material to reach your comments. (I will
frequently delete an email unread if everything on the first screen is
someone else's quoted material)

On the other hand, making top-posting the default makes it easier to be
too lazy to delete the irrelevant material...

It might be nice for the software to, by default, refuse to post any
message that's more than 75% quoted material...

--
Doug Smith W9WI
Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66
http://www.w9wi.com