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Measuring Velocity Factor w/ MFJ-259
I'm interested in measuring the velocity factor of some coax I have (more of
an exercise than necessity). In order to do this, the MFJ-259 Operations manual states that the "stub" to be measured should be attached with a 50-ohm noninductive resistor in series to that center conductor of the Antenna connector on the analyzer. What would be a good way of making this connection? I've thought about it quite a bit; the best idea I've come up with so far is to have a small metal enclosure w/ two SO-239's mounted. The resistor would go from center conductor to center conductor of each SO-239. But this requires too many extra connections & lengths. Is there a better way to do this? Would love to see anyone else's experimental setup, particularly if there are pictures or details on the web. Thanks & 73, Jason KB5URQ |
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I'm interested in measuring the velocity factor of some coax I have (more
of an exercise than necessity). In order to do this, the MFJ-259 Operations manual states that the "stub" to be measured should be attached with a 50-ohm noninductive resistor in series to that center conductor of the Antenna connector on the analyzer. What would be a good way of making this connection? I've thought about it quite a bit; the best idea I've come up with so far is to have a small metal enclosure w/ two SO-239's mounted. The resistor would go from center conductor to center conductor of each SO-239. But this requires too many extra connections & lengths. Is there a better way to do this? Would love to see anyone else's experimental setup, particularly if there are pictures or details on the web. =============== Since no power is involved the non-inductive resistor can be very small . If accuracy is a point ,get a 50 Ohms , 1% metal film resistor or select a near 50 Ohms resistor from a batch of standard 5% resistors with an accurate Ohm meter . Cut the leads as short as possible but adequate for insertion and soldering into the SO 239 coaxial socket. You now know the minimum distance between de 2 SO 239 sockets and can make a suitable enclosure from bits of scrap plain printed circuit board ( in Europe available at amateur radio fleamarkets and often sold by the kilogramme) With the enclosure completed and holes drilled for the SO 239 connectors ,fit one connector with the resistor soldered and subsequently fit the other connector and solder it to the resistor. The result is a resistor in between the 2 SO 239 connectors with hardly any wire visible. Finally finish the enclosure by soldering a cover of the same PCB material or keep the cover removable by means of soldered nuts inside the enclosure and matching screws. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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I'm interested in measuring the velocity factor of some coax I have (more
of an exercise than necessity). In order to do this, the MFJ-259 Operations manual states that the "stub" to be measured should be attached with a 50-ohm noninductive resistor in series to that center conductor of the Antenna connector on the analyzer. What would be a good way of making this connection? I've thought about it quite a bit; the best idea I've come up with so far is to have a small metal enclosure w/ two SO-239's mounted. The resistor would go from center conductor to center conductor of each SO-239. But this requires too many extra connections & lengths. Is there a better way to do this? Would love to see anyone else's experimental setup, particularly if there are pictures or details on the web. =============== Since no power is involved the non-inductive resistor can be very small . If accuracy is a point ,get a 50 Ohms , 1% metal film resistor or select a near 50 Ohms resistor from a batch of standard 5% resistors with an accurate Ohm meter . Cut the leads as short as possible but adequate for insertion and soldering into the SO 239 coaxial socket. You now know the minimum distance between de 2 SO 239 sockets and can make a suitable enclosure from bits of scrap plain printed circuit board ( in Europe available at amateur radio fleamarkets and often sold by the kilogramme) With the enclosure completed and holes drilled for the SO 239 connectors ,fit one connector with the resistor soldered and subsequently fit the other connector and solder it to the resistor. The result is a resistor in between the 2 SO 239 connectors with hardly any wire visible. Finally finish the enclosure by soldering a cover of the same PCB material or keep the cover removable by means of soldered nuts inside the enclosure and matching screws. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of
impedance, is 0.665 |
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The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of
impedance, is 0.665 |
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"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ...
The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of impedance, is 0.665 And this comes from someone who I could swear posted not long ago a table that had velocity factors for solid polyethylene cable that were significantly different from this magic number? But even if we just limit ourselves to HF and above, there's a problem: most "solid poly" cable I've encountered has small gas bubbles in the dielectric, and the v.f. does not measure exactly 0.665. Most of the time, the difference doesn't matter, but sometimes it does, and then it's not safe to assume it's 0.665. And of course a lot of cable these days uses foam dielectric, which can be noticably different from batch to batch. |
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"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ...
The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of impedance, is 0.665 And this comes from someone who I could swear posted not long ago a table that had velocity factors for solid polyethylene cable that were significantly different from this magic number? But even if we just limit ourselves to HF and above, there's a problem: most "solid poly" cable I've encountered has small gas bubbles in the dielectric, and the v.f. does not measure exactly 0.665. Most of the time, the difference doesn't matter, but sometimes it does, and then it's not safe to assume it's 0.665. And of course a lot of cable these days uses foam dielectric, which can be noticably different from batch to batch. |
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"Tom Bruhns" wrote "Reg Edwards"
The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of impedance, is 0.665 ================================ And this comes from someone who I could swear posted not long ago a table that had velocity factors for solid polyethylene cable that were significantly different from this magic number? But even if we just limit ourselves to HF and above, there's a problem: most "solid poly" cable I've encountered has small gas bubbles in the dielectric, and the v.f. does not measure exactly 0.665. Most of the time, the difference doesn't matter, but sometimes it does, and then it's not safe to assume it's 0.665. And of course a lot of cable these days uses foam dielectric, which can be noticably different from batch to batch. =============================== Your para. 1. You can swear till you're appoplectic black and blue in the face - it wasn't me. I'm not THAT stupid. So who was it then? Your para. 2. If there are little bubbles in it, it is not solid. If it is foamed, it is not solid. Just to add a little more useless information, did you know the stuff also varies with pressure and temperature as at the bottoms of the oceans? Also, under pressure, water disassociates and hydrogen slowly diffuses through it. Rodents seem to take a fancy to it. Velocity factor = (Permittivity)^(- 1/2). Permittivity of polyethylene = 2.26 but it does vary slighty from one book to the next. ---- Reg. |
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"Tom Bruhns" wrote "Reg Edwards"
The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of impedance, is 0.665 ================================ And this comes from someone who I could swear posted not long ago a table that had velocity factors for solid polyethylene cable that were significantly different from this magic number? But even if we just limit ourselves to HF and above, there's a problem: most "solid poly" cable I've encountered has small gas bubbles in the dielectric, and the v.f. does not measure exactly 0.665. Most of the time, the difference doesn't matter, but sometimes it does, and then it's not safe to assume it's 0.665. And of course a lot of cable these days uses foam dielectric, which can be noticably different from batch to batch. =============================== Your para. 1. You can swear till you're appoplectic black and blue in the face - it wasn't me. I'm not THAT stupid. So who was it then? Your para. 2. If there are little bubbles in it, it is not solid. If it is foamed, it is not solid. Just to add a little more useless information, did you know the stuff also varies with pressure and temperature as at the bottoms of the oceans? Also, under pressure, water disassociates and hydrogen slowly diffuses through it. Rodents seem to take a fancy to it. Velocity factor = (Permittivity)^(- 1/2). Permittivity of polyethylene = 2.26 but it does vary slighty from one book to the next. ---- Reg. |
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Asswipe,
The question I posed wasn't "What's the velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable". Next time read the question and answer it. If you don't know the answer then DON'T POST A REPLY! Too many ignorant people in these groups anymore! "Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... The velocity factor of ALL solid polyethylene coax cable, regardless of impedance, is 0.665 |
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