GMRS is NOT CB. See URL:
http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/ind...general_mobile

WRONG! GMRS is CB. It's defined in part 95, subpart A. All of part 95
is CB.
What you're thinking of is only the 27MHz allocation - part 95, subpart D.
FRS
and MURS are also in part 95, and if you read the FCC's page on each, the
FCC
indicates that each is part of CB, but neither operates on 27MHz.

GMRS frequencies are UHF- FM and requires a license and a fee for
application (~ $75 ?). Use is sharply defined. Repeater operation is
permitted. There are severe penalties for non-licensed users.

It's still CB and you know it.

Au Contraire please read the Wikipedia description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cb_radio

Quote
"Citizens' Band radio (CB) is, in most countries, a system of
short-distance, simplex[1] radio communications between individuals on a
selection of 40 channels within the 27 MHz (11 meter) band. The CB radio
service should not be confused with FRS, GMRS, MURS, or amateur ("ham")
radio. "

Part 95 of the FCC Rules does not state that CB = GMRS
Should I believe Wikipedia, the FCC, or you?

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:04:44 -0800, Evan Platt
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:53:37 -0800, "The Shadow"
wrote:

Au Contraire please read the Wikipedia description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cb_radio

Quote
"Citizens' Band radio (CB) is, in most countries, a system of
short-distance, simplex[1] radio communications between individuals on a
selection of 40 channels within the 27 MHz (11 meter) band. The CB radio
service should not be confused with FRS, GMRS, MURS, or amateur ("ham")
radio. "

Part 95 of the FCC Rules does not state that CB = GMRS
Should I believe Wikipedia, the FCC, or you?

The problem with Wiki is anyone can modify / create it.

sarcasm Give me a minute and I'll go change the Wiki to say that 490
-510 mhz is open game for anyone. /sarcasm

There are several radio services covered under 47 C.F.R Part 95. The
FCC describes three of them as being part of the Citizen Band Radio
Services (CB, FRS and MURS.) The GMRS radio service is not described
by the FCC as being part of Citizen Band Radio Services.

Dick - W6CCD

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"Dick" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:04:44 -0800, Evan Platt
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:53:37 -0800, "The Shadow"
wrote:

Au Contraire please read the Wikipedia description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cb_radio

Quote
"Citizens' Band radio (CB) is, in most countries, a system of
short-distance, simplex[1] radio communications between individuals on a
selection of 40 channels within the 27 MHz (11 meter) band. The CB radio
service should not be confused with FRS, GMRS, MURS, or amateur ("ham")
radio. "

Part 95 of the FCC Rules does not state that CB = GMRS
Should I believe Wikipedia, the FCC, or you?

The problem with Wiki is anyone can modify / create it.

sarcasm Give me a minute and I'll go change the Wiki to say that 490
-510 mhz is open game for anyone. /sarcasm

There are several radio services covered under 47 C.F.R Part 95. The
FCC describes three of them as being part of the Citizen Band Radio
Services (CB, FRS and MURS.) The GMRS radio service is not described
by the FCC as being part of Citizen Band Radio Services.

Dick - W6CCD

Thanks Dick
Lamont - another 30 year+ Extra Class Ham

In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

We recently had a FCC spokesperson at our Ham Club and he stated the above.
I stand by my statements.

Jammers or any interfering frequency --- spurs, harmonics, intermod can
cause communication problems.

I refer you to URL:
http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0614.html

http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0712.html

http://w6yra.bol.ucla.edu/interest.htm

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache.../Orders/2001/f
cc01018.doc+fcc+violation+aircraft+frequency&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/

Lots more if you get a clue and use Goggle


Lamont


Lamont, you have not shown ANY connection between your socalled FCC
Monitoring of Marine and or Aviation Frequenices, and ANY collision
of a Vessel or Aircraft. FYI, the FCC has very limited Fixed Monitoring
Capability on VHF and UHF Marine and Aircraft Frequencies due to the
LACK of Monitoring Stations. 99% of the Marine and Aviation Frequency
Monitoring is done by the US Coast Guard, for Marine, and the FAA for
Aviation. What little monitoring the FCC does, is done from Mobile
Units, that are used for Specific Case Investigation, and is done by
the local Field Office Engineers and Techs, of which there are 75%
fewer of, since the ALGORE lead Bloodletting in the early 90's. The
FCC just doesn't have the staff, to do what you are tallking about.
They barely have enough staff, at each Field Office, to do the REQUIRED
Paperwork to keep the Office OPEN.

Bruce in alaska who use to be one of those FCC Field Agents......
--
add path before @

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"The Shadow" wrote:

The FCC has its hands full - monitoring for idiots jamming Marine and
Aircraft frequencies and causing ship or air collisions.


Lamont

Can you document a single case, where the FCC was involved in
monitoring
Marine, and, or, Aircraft Frequencies for Jammers, that caused a
collision of a ship or aircraft? No, Really? Duh, I wonder why?

Lamont, you have no clue what the FCC, does, and what it has been
doing,
since the ALGORE Bloodletting.

Maybe you should get a "Clue" before you make any more Foolish
Statements......

Bruce in alaska
--
add path before @

We recently had a FCC spokesperson at our Ham Club and he stated the
above.
I stand by my statements.

Jammers or any interfering frequency --- spurs, harmonics, intermod can
cause communication problems.

I refer you to URL:
http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0614.html

http://www2.arrl.org/news/enforcemen...2003/0712.html

http://w6yra.bol.ucla.edu/interest.htm

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache.../Orders/2001/f
cc01018.doc+fcc+violation+aircraft+frequency&hl=en &ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/

Lots more if you get a clue and use Goggle


Lamont


Lamont, you have not shown ANY connection between your socalled FCC
Monitoring of Marine and or Aviation Frequenices, and ANY collision
of a Vessel or Aircraft. FYI, the FCC has very limited Fixed Monitoring
Capability on VHF and UHF Marine and Aircraft Frequencies due to the
LACK of Monitoring Stations. 99% of the Marine and Aviation Frequency
Monitoring is done by the US Coast Guard, for Marine, and the FAA for
Aviation. What little monitoring the FCC does, is done from Mobile
Units, that are used for Specific Case Investigation, and is done by
the local Field Office Engineers and Techs, of which there are 75%
fewer of, since the ALGORE lead Bloodletting in the early 90's. The
FCC just doesn't have the staff, to do what you are tallking about.
They barely have enough staff, at each Field Office, to do the REQUIRED
Paperwork to keep the Office OPEN.

Bruce in alaska who use to be one of those FCC Field Agents......
--
add path before @

Thanks Bruce I stand corrected.
Lamont

"Dick" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:04:44 -0800, Evan Platt
wrote:

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 06:53:37 -0800, "The Shadow"
wrote:

Au Contraire please read the Wikipedia description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cb_radio

Quote
"Citizens' Band radio (CB) is, in most countries, a system of
short-distance, simplex[1] radio communications between individuals on a
selection of 40 channels within the 27 MHz (11 meter) band. The CB radio
service should not be confused with FRS, GMRS, MURS, or amateur ("ham")
radio. "

Part 95 of the FCC Rules does not state that CB = GMRS
Should I believe Wikipedia, the FCC, or you?

The problem with Wiki is anyone can modify / create it.

sarcasm Give me a minute and I'll go change the Wiki to say that 490
-510 mhz is open game for anyone. /sarcasm

There are several radio services covered under 47 C.F.R Part 95. The
FCC describes three of them as being part of the Citizen Band Radio
Services (CB, FRS and MURS.) The GMRS radio service is not described
by the FCC as being part of Citizen Band Radio Services.

I shall agree - not CURRENTLY is it called a CB service. GMRS is historically
"Class A CB." What is normally called "CB" today is historically "Class D CB."