"NO SPAM" wrote in message news:...

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
om...
" I would like to understand exactly what
internally in the socket is causing that buzz which is extremely
loud.
Does anyone know? Thanks for your responses to my thread.


I defer to the "expert" - can hardly wait to hear the rest of the
story.
Go
ahead Andrew! Lets hear it........

NS

What the F**** are you raving on about - all I suggested was simple,
basic observational fault finding would be a good place to start -
if
you want to make it complicated, then you are not doing this sort of
thing to make a living!
Andrew VK3BFA

You didn't tell the man what he wants to know about the rest of it, so
since
you have all the freaking knowledge, let's hear it! If it is so
freaking
simple that he could "look" at it, then how come he needs to ask? SO,
GUIDE
HIM, HELP HIM "SEE" IT. Don't answer me, help the man!

Oh, sorry. Well, - first, check if anything is plugged into the
socket. (Very important - stops spawning of silly theories from
newsgroups participants) See if noise vanishes when object removed. If
it does, then socket not faulty and radio problem solved. Go to
Alt.Electronics.Hairdryers and post hairdryer fault question so
hairdryer experts can offer plausible explanation.

As for my experience and income ability, it's none of your business.
Has
nothing to do with this post. Hams who are not EMPLOYED in electronics
fields often have more RF experience than some 2 way radio techs out
there
who deal with it FOR a living.I'm just saying NOT ALL is so simple as
to
"JUST" look at it.


Certainly, "not all" is simple - thats why we have people studying
quantum mechanics. And one of the things you learn very early in
electronics (or , indeed, any other field) is that a rocket science
approach is usually not necessary - try the simple things first.

As for the reason the hairdryer was making buzzing noises - who
cares....... but if you are REALLY, REALLY interested and have lots of
time on your hands, nothing more meaningful do do with your life, then
there are countless ways you can hypothesise(sp) but until you get
your hands on the actual hairdryer they are just that, idle
speculation. And really, if there wasnt a single working hairdryer on
the planet, would it bother you all that much?

And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

YEAH, the guy was asking what the problem was, NOT ME... SO GO ****
YOURSELF.

NS



Furthermore, you couldn't answer his question, so you just blew him off to
another group. SMOOTH MOVE - EXLAX........ **** happens when you jump in
over your head. YOU ARE SO FULL OF BULL ****. I HAVE A LIFE - and I'm not
going to waste another minute arguing with a waste of your parents cum and
egg. YOU are banished from my list. DICK HEAD..

NS

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"NO SPAM" wrote in message news:...

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
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And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

YEAH, the guy was asking what the problem was, NOT ME... SO GO ****
YOURSELF.

NS



Furthermore, you couldn't answer his question, so you just blew him off to
another group. SMOOTH MOVE - EXLAX........ **** happens when you jump in
over your head. YOU ARE SO FULL OF BULL ****. I HAVE A LIFE - and I'm not
going to waste another minute arguing with a waste of your parents cum and
egg. YOU are banished from my list. DICK HEAD..

NS

Thank you, NS - I DO enjoy conversations with the literate and
articulate!
73 de VK3BFA

"never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience"

Anon.

"NO SPAM" wrote in message . verio.net...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message news:...

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
om...

And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

YEAH, the guy was asking what the problem was, NOT ME... SO GO ****
YOURSELF.

NS



Furthermore, you couldn't answer his question, so you just blew him off to
another group. SMOOTH MOVE - EXLAX........ **** happens when you jump in
over your head. YOU ARE SO FULL OF BULL ****. I HAVE A LIFE - and I'm not
going to waste another minute arguing with a waste of your parents cum and
egg. YOU are banished from my list. DICK HEAD..

NS

Thank you, NS - I DO enjoy conversations with the literate and
articulate!
73 de VK3BFA

"never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience"

Anon.

"NO SPAM" wrote in message . verio.net...
"NO SPAM" wrote in message news:...

"Andrew VK3BFA" wrote in message
om...

And my remarks were addressed to you - I was asking you to question
your own problem solving methodology (in case you hadnt noticed, the
problem HAD been solved ages ago).

Anything else you want to get ****ty about?

de VK3BFA Andrew.

YEAH, the guy was asking what the problem was, NOT ME... SO GO ****
YOURSELF.

NS



Furthermore, you couldn't answer his question, so you just blew him off to
another group. SMOOTH MOVE - EXLAX........ **** happens when you jump in
over your head. YOU ARE SO FULL OF BULL ****. I HAVE A LIFE - and I'm not
going to waste another minute arguing with a waste of your parents cum and
egg. YOU are banished from my list. DICK HEAD..

NS

Thank you, NS - I DO enjoy conversations with the literate and
articulate!
73 de VK3BFA

"never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level and
beat you with experience"

Anon.

"moth ." wrote in message
...
My HT, power supply and amp are in the living room. The coax runs into
the kitchen with a Diamond 2 meter magmount antenna out the kitchen
window on a steel plate. I have had no problems for 11 years.

Yesterday I keyed down and heard a buzz coming from the kitchen. I had a
friend key down, went to the kitchen to see where the buzz is coming
from and it's coming from the outlet next to the window that has NOTHING
plugged into it! My units are all plugged in in the living room. What's
happening here RF wise? If you have any idea, please either post it here
or email me. I have an Extra Class License but this isn't in the books
:-( Thanks in advance!

Maybe a loose wire in the outlet ? Sometimes the outlets are wired to each
other and as current is drawn from them they can cause problems.

"moth ." wrote in message
...
My HT, power supply and amp are in the living room. The coax runs into
the kitchen with a Diamond 2 meter magmount antenna out the kitchen
window on a steel plate. I have had no problems for 11 years.

Yesterday I keyed down and heard a buzz coming from the kitchen. I had a
friend key down, went to the kitchen to see where the buzz is coming
from and it's coming from the outlet next to the window that has NOTHING
plugged into it! My units are all plugged in in the living room. What's
happening here RF wise? If you have any idea, please either post it here
or email me. I have an Extra Class License but this isn't in the books
:-( Thanks in advance!

Maybe a loose wire in the outlet ? Sometimes the outlets are wired to each
other and as current is drawn from them they can cause problems.

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:57:12 -0400, moth . hath writ:
My HT, power supply and amp are in the living room. The coax runs into
the kitchen with a Diamond 2 meter magmount antenna out the kitchen
window on a steel plate. I have had no problems for 11 years.

Yesterday I keyed down and heard a buzz coming from the kitchen. I had a
friend key down, went to the kitchen to see where the buzz is coming
from and it's coming from the outlet next to the window that has NOTHING
plugged into it! My units are all plugged in in the living room. What's
happening here RF wise? If you have any idea, please either post it here
or email me. I have an Extra Class License but this isn't in the books
:-( Thanks in advance!

Pro'lly the branch line to feed that outlet comes _down_ the
outside wall (from the attic / from the ceiling.) Makes a
GREAT little vertical antenna -- great for coupling RF from
your nearby vertical antenna.

I'd take the vanity plate off the outlet, darken the room,
and re-create the scenario you explained above. Get in close and
see what is arcing, buzzing, spitting. As others have said, it's
pro'lly a loose connection.

I have Extra Class License, too, but ...

73
Jonesy
--
| Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux
| Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __
| 7,703' -- 2,345m | config.com | DM68mn SK

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:57:12 -0400, moth . hath writ:
My HT, power supply and amp are in the living room. The coax runs into
the kitchen with a Diamond 2 meter magmount antenna out the kitchen
window on a steel plate. I have had no problems for 11 years.

Yesterday I keyed down and heard a buzz coming from the kitchen. I had a
friend key down, went to the kitchen to see where the buzz is coming
from and it's coming from the outlet next to the window that has NOTHING
plugged into it! My units are all plugged in in the living room. What's
happening here RF wise? If you have any idea, please either post it here
or email me. I have an Extra Class License but this isn't in the books
:-( Thanks in advance!

Pro'lly the branch line to feed that outlet comes _down_ the
outside wall (from the attic / from the ceiling.) Makes a
GREAT little vertical antenna -- great for coupling RF from
your nearby vertical antenna.

I'd take the vanity plate off the outlet, darken the room,
and re-create the scenario you explained above. Get in close and
see what is arcing, buzzing, spitting. As others have said, it's
pro'lly a loose connection.

I have Extra Class License, too, but ...

73
Jonesy
--
| Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux
| Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __
| 7,703' -- 2,345m | config.com | DM68mn SK

My HT, power supply and amp are in the living room. The coax runs into
the kitchen with a Diamond 2 meter magmount antenna out the kitchen
window on a steel plate. I have had no problems for 11 years.

Yesterday I keyed down and heard a buzz coming from the kitchen. I had a
friend key down, went to the kitchen to see where the buzz is coming
from and it's coming from the outlet next to the window that has NOTHING
plugged into it! My units are all plugged in in the living room. What's
happening here RF wise? If you have any idea, please either post it here
or email me. I have an Extra Class License but this isn't in the books
:-( Thanks in advance!

Is that by any chance an outlet with a GFCI (ground fault circuit
interrupter) built in? Current electrical codes generally require
that these be used for all outlets around areas with water. They
usually have a solenoid or other sort of circuit breaker inside, and
it's possible that this is being partially activated by rectified RF
currents.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

My HT, power supply and amp are in the living room. The coax runs into
the kitchen with a Diamond 2 meter magmount antenna out the kitchen
window on a steel plate. I have had no problems for 11 years.

Yesterday I keyed down and heard a buzz coming from the kitchen. I had a
friend key down, went to the kitchen to see where the buzz is coming
from and it's coming from the outlet next to the window that has NOTHING
plugged into it! My units are all plugged in in the living room. What's
happening here RF wise? If you have any idea, please either post it here
or email me. I have an Extra Class License but this isn't in the books
:-( Thanks in advance!

Is that by any chance an outlet with a GFCI (ground fault circuit
interrupter) built in? Current electrical codes generally require
that these be used for all outlets around areas with water. They
usually have a solenoid or other sort of circuit breaker inside, and
it's possible that this is being partially activated by rectified RF
currents.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!