On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:58:07 -0700, Evan Platt
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:11:38 -0500, "s6sej73w9"
wrote:

When you sold the car you gave up recorse to the problem.

I wasn't going to keep a car that rattled the way this one did.

I doubt you'll be in any position to pursue your claim if the
car is no longer available for inspection. It's now a matter of who
said what some time in the past.

Snip
Radios do nothing to warrenty, Fords have been the choice for Cop cars
for a
long time.


That's because Ford Fleet Sales deeply discounts the basic Crown Vic and
makes it back up on the Police Package. (Actually, they break about even on
the sale) To them, it is worth it in passive advertising. It, however,
doesn't mean it is the better car. It was, for example, proven and
published in several automotive mags that the Fords were more labor
intensive. Hence, the ovewhelming dominance of Chevrolet Caprices in the NY
City cab fleet for MANY years. The Chevys simply took the punishment better!
Some of them are STILL out there
on the murderous potholes of NYC with 300,000+ miles on them!

During 1996 when Chevy fielded the heavy Caprice sedan, it had an enhanced
LT1 V8 that the Crown Vics couldn't keep up with! It would just plainly
scald the Fords and leave them in the dust! In the NC Highway Patrol fleet,
troopers begged not to have to give up their older Caprices and many served
well beyond the normal service life. Even today, you see an occasional '96
era Caprice serving as some State agency vehicle or DOT car.

Mustang? Forget it! For a time, NCHP had Mustang pursuit vehicles. But
they were getting outrun by kids in Camaros that would literally shoot the
cops the bird and walk away from them! No more! NC and SC now use Camaros to
pursue speeders, and while the Crown Vics are quick for their size, they are
no match for the Camaro.

Chevrolet has recently released a new version of the Impala SS. I have heard
that they are going to offer a Police Package version of this car. AND it is
supposedly QUICKER than the old Caprices and SS Impalas of years ago.

And I betcha you won't have much trouble with your radios in one of them
either. LOL!

Jerry

Snip
Radios do nothing to warrenty, Fords have been the choice for Cop cars
for a
long time.


That's because Ford Fleet Sales deeply discounts the basic Crown Vic and
makes it back up on the Police Package. (Actually, they break about even on
the sale) To them, it is worth it in passive advertising. It, however,
doesn't mean it is the better car. It was, for example, proven and
published in several automotive mags that the Fords were more labor
intensive. Hence, the ovewhelming dominance of Chevrolet Caprices in the NY
City cab fleet for MANY years. The Chevys simply took the punishment better!
Some of them are STILL out there
on the murderous potholes of NYC with 300,000+ miles on them!

During 1996 when Chevy fielded the heavy Caprice sedan, it had an enhanced
LT1 V8 that the Crown Vics couldn't keep up with! It would just plainly
scald the Fords and leave them in the dust! In the NC Highway Patrol fleet,
troopers begged not to have to give up their older Caprices and many served
well beyond the normal service life. Even today, you see an occasional '96
era Caprice serving as some State agency vehicle or DOT car.

Mustang? Forget it! For a time, NCHP had Mustang pursuit vehicles. But
they were getting outrun by kids in Camaros that would literally shoot the
cops the bird and walk away from them! No more! NC and SC now use Camaros to
pursue speeders, and while the Crown Vics are quick for their size, they are
no match for the Camaro.

Chevrolet has recently released a new version of the Impala SS. I have heard
that they are going to offer a Police Package version of this car. AND it is
supposedly QUICKER than the old Caprices and SS Impalas of years ago.

And I betcha you won't have much trouble with your radios in one of them
either. LOL!

Jerry

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:11:38 -0500, "s6sej73w9"
wrote:

When you sold the car you gave up recorse to the problem.

I wasn't going to keep a car that rattled the way this one did.

The car is gone, let it go, bitching time is over, you are out the $$.

I'm not going to give up $420+ that easy, sorry.

Overweight is BS, the "clams" at ford were definatly lying to you. They are
idiots to tell you that.

Agreed. 100%.

But, you could have found the rattle yourself with some friends too Not that
hard.

I did have a few friends look at it - they found the source (can't
recall exactly what it was) but it was something that would involve
quite a bit of labor to fix.

Radios do nothing to warrenty, Fords have been the choice for Cop cars for a
long time.

Well, remember - when a police agency buys a car, they pay more for
the car and warranty.

You were screwed by local dealer, go to corperate, keep complaining you
could get some $$ back, but you may have to have a lawyer write the letters
for you, for Ford to take it seriously, and that will cost over $400.
Live and learn.

I have gone to Ford Corporate. Useless. I'm now going to the Bureau of
Automotive Repairs. Next will be 7 on your side.
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:11:38 -0500, "s6sej73w9"
wrote:

When you sold the car you gave up recorse to the problem.

I wasn't going to keep a car that rattled the way this one did.

The car is gone, let it go, bitching time is over, you are out the $$.

I'm not going to give up $420+ that easy, sorry.

Overweight is BS, the "clams" at ford were definatly lying to you. They are
idiots to tell you that.

Agreed. 100%.

But, you could have found the rattle yourself with some friends too Not that
hard.

I did have a few friends look at it - they found the source (can't
recall exactly what it was) but it was something that would involve
quite a bit of labor to fix.

Radios do nothing to warrenty, Fords have been the choice for Cop cars for a
long time.

Well, remember - when a police agency buys a car, they pay more for
the car and warranty.

You were screwed by local dealer, go to corperate, keep complaining you
could get some $$ back, but you may have to have a lawyer write the letters
for you, for Ford to take it seriously, and that will cost over $400.
Live and learn.

I have gone to Ford Corporate. Useless. I'm now going to the Bureau of
Automotive Repairs. Next will be 7 on your side.
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"USE FA"





On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:09:22 -0700, Evan Platt
wrote:

Well, I've gone over this story a dozen times to numerous auto groups,
but the attitude there seems to be "F* off", so I'm hoping people here
would be more friendly.

The full details are at
http://home.espphotography.com/peninsulaford.html

Short version:

I had a 2001 Ford Taurus, and the extended service plan (warranty). I
volunteer for a Volunteer Fire Department, local OES, and a large Air
Ambulance. I'm also a licensed ham (KG6ESP). I had a few two-way
radios in my car along with my fire turnout gear. No biggie. With 3 or
more people in the car, the car made a loud rattling noise at idle.
After a local ford shop looking at it, they stated the car was
overweight. I could only get the car weighed with one other person in
it, but my car was still over 600 pounds UNDERWEIGHT, and the 2 other
people I'd carry weighed nowhere near 600 pounds. After arguing back
and forth with the local Ford, they said "Too bad, we won't help you."
I sold the Ford, cancelled the warranty I had paid $900 into, and they
refunded me less than $500. They prorate the mileage I drove while I
had the car. I told them if they claim the warranty was void, they
wrongfully took my money. They won't respond. Ford Corporate sent a
letter only in my response to my Better Business Bureau complaint, and
e-mails and voicemails to Budco Financial (the company I paid the
monthly fee for the ESP to) go unanswered. I have Return Receipts as
evidence that they are being read by VERY high level people.

I want the $420 they wrongfully took from me - if my warranty was
void, why did they take it? The local ford dealership inspected my car
prior to letting me purchase the ESP, they said nothing about the
radios, but then when it came time to fix something, they refused to.

Anyone have any ideas? Any agency I can go to or even 'namedrop' to
Budco? I'll be making a long list of calls Monday to Budco, and I'd
like to have an agency I can reference that has some oversight over
Budco to mention. Do you think the Attorney Generals office would have
any interest? Would this be a Bureau of Automotive Repairs? And who do
I go after? Budco Financial? Ford Corporate? I did sue Peninsula Ford
(the ford dealership refusing to do the work) and they simply said
"You're suing the wrong people. All your checks are made out to
Budco", and the judge agreed.

I'm not a ARRL member, but if the ARRL would help out, I'd gladly
join. This is $420 of MY MONEY I consider Ford and Budco have stolen.
Needless to say, I will NEVER own another Ford in my lifetime.

Thanks.

Evan

"The Enforcer" wrote in message
...
"USE FA"



Ummmm.... why? The post has nothing to do with an auction, or even a sale.
It was asking for help with an issue.

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:22:24 +0900, "Brenda Ann Dyer"
wrote:

Ummmm.... why? The post has nothing to do with an auction, or even a sale.
It was asking for help with an issue.

I'm guessing "The Enforcer" is referring to the fact that when 1d10ts
post eBay auction links to some of the other rec.radio. groups and use
For Sale (when the FAQ states to use FA or For Auction), I reply
telling the person to use FA or For Auction.

Not sure what that has to do with this, just a clueless poster I
guess.
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:22:24 +0900, "Brenda Ann Dyer"
wrote:

Ummmm.... why? The post has nothing to do with an auction, or even a sale.
It was asking for help with an issue.

I'm guessing "The Enforcer" is referring to the fact that when 1d10ts
post eBay auction links to some of the other rec.radio. groups and use
For Sale (when the FAQ states to use FA or For Auction), I reply
telling the person to use FA or For Auction.

Not sure what that has to do with this, just a clueless poster I
guess.
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:22:24 +0900, "Brenda Ann Dyer"
wrote:

Ummmm.... why? The post has nothing to do with an auction, or even a sale.
It was asking for help with an issue.

I'm guessing "The Enforcer" is referring to the fact that when 1d10ts
post eBay auction links to some of the other rec.radio. groups and use
For Sale (when the FAQ states to use FA or For Auction), I reply
telling the person to use FA or For Auction.

Not sure what that has to do with this, just a clueless poster I
guess.
--
To reply, remove TheObvious from my e-mail address.