On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/1/2013 9:22 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/1/2013 6:38 PM, rickman wrote:
I am going to be providing shore monitoring for a kayak trip and will be
using a VHF radio from my pickup. I am thinking of installing a unit
rather than using a handheld. I took a look at what there is available
and it seems like the prices start at just over $100 for the unit itself
running up to $500 for a fancy unit that is mounted somewhere hidden and
all the controls in a hand held mic.

Other than the obvious features like the remote mic unit, what should I
look for in getting a quality unit that will work the best without
breaking the bank. I don't want to pay $500, but I will pay $200 or
more if there is a useful difference with the ~$100 units.

I doubt I'll be mounting this in a boat although that is a possibility
someday, I do have a ski boat. But more likely is that I'll mount it at
my house on a lake to provide some amount of emergency monitoring. So I
expect to mount it in the pickup so it can be easily removed and brought
into the house. I guess that means a second antenna too.

Words of advice?


The first question would be - what country are you in?

From the wording of the post, most likely the US. The use of $100 and
$500 is a big clue, though he could be in Canada, Autralia, New
New Zealand, or Trinidad. I would highly doubt it is any of the Asian
countries that have the dollar as the national currency.


Yes, but those make a difference. And BTW, last time I was in Hong
Kong, they also used $. It has been close to 20 years, though.

$100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine
radios $12.89 US.


There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of
the question.

And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there
are.


And I wouldn't want to get the op in trouble by providing information
incorrect to the country he is in.

The next question woulds be - what licenses do you hold? (Very little
is available without a license). I am assuming since you are asking
these questions you don't hold an amateur radio license.

If it is the US, no licence is required for VHF marine radio for any
vessel that is NOT required to carry radio equipment and traveling in
US waters.


Are you sure about that? I do remember Dad had to get a radio license
for his boat, even though he was operating in U.S. waters off the Gulf
coast of Florida. That was a few years ago, though. And the license
was free.

And at one time CB and private aircraft had to have a license; none do
anymore. Air and marine radars also used to require a license; not
anymore.


That could be for boats. I don't know, because I haven't checked.

However, he also was talking about SHORE monitoring - which definitely
requires a license, even for marine band.

Nope, there is a VHF marine channel specifically for chit chat from ship
to shore.


Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They
still do.

If it is Canada, essentially the same applies.

The third question would be - what radios/bands are legal for that license?

VHF marine radios are legal for the VHF marine radio band without regard
for country.


Not entirely true. Depending on the country. Some still require
licenses, for various reasons.

That wasn't the issue.


It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or
not until you know what country the OP is in.

The VHF marine band seems to be essentially the same with some differences
in channel assignment world wide.


That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same.

Without even knowing what country you are in, the rest of the questions
are meaningless.

Anyway...

Like everything else these days, the Internet is full of reviews of VHF
marine radios.

Google is your friend.




And many of those are illegal to operate in some countries, even though
they aren't marked as such. Since he is asking here, I would expect he
wants to ensure he is legal.

I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe
North Korea...


But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations
still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft
radios, BTW).

Oh, perhaps you meant buying a radio from the Internet; no I wouldn't
reccomend that unless the dealer was in my country if for no other reason
than to make sure the channels were set up for the idiosyncrasies of my
country.



It doesn't matter where you buy the radio. There are shady brick and
mortar dealers also who try to make a buck by buying cheap overseas crap
and reselling it at a higher markup.

And just because the radio is legal in your country for some uses does
NOT mean it is legal in your country for ALL uses.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote:

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$100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine
radios $12.89 US.


There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of
the question.

$500 is 5 times $100, which is the amount in question.

And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there
are.

I already told you what they are.

snip

Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They
still do.

Yes, but the original question was about monitoring, and no license is
required for that.

snip

It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or
not until you know what country the OP is in.

How much are you willing to bet he is in neither the USA or Canada, both
of which have essentially the same rules.

Also, he said he wanted to monitor on land.

snip

That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same.

They are for the USA and Canada.

snip

I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe
North Korea...


But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations
still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft
radios, BTW).

Which has nothing to do with what I said; read it again.


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On 9/2/2013 12:59 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote:

snip

$100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine
radios $12.89 US.


There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of
the question.

$500 is 5 times $100, which is the amount in question.


Yup. Glad to see you can do multiplication. Shall we try division now?

And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there
are.

I already told you what they are.


That's all of them? I know you didn't mention Hong Kong in your earlier
post.

snip

Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They
still do.

Yes, but the original question was about monitoring, and no license is
required for that.


No, but then you don't need a transceiver on land, either. A simple
scanner will suffice.

However, he specifically is asking about installing a radio. To me this
means he wants to monitor the *trip*, not the frequency - and to do so
is interested in talking to those in the kayaks. Why else would he be
asking about installing a radio, instead of just a receiver?

snip

It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or
not until you know what country the OP is in.

How much are you willing to bet he is in neither the USA or Canada, both
of which have essentially the same rules.


I'm not willing to bet anything, because I don't make assumptions one
way or the other. And I don't give advice based on facts I don't know.

Also, he said he wanted to monitor on land.


Again - he said he wanted to monitor the trip - not the frequency. And
he specifically asked about installing a radio - instead of a handheld.
To me this means he also wants to talk.

snip

That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same.

They are for the USA and Canada.


No where did he say where he was from. You are making an unwarranted
assumption.

snip

I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe
North Korea...


But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations
still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft
radios, BTW).

Which has nothing to do with what I said; read it again.



No, it doesn't have anything to do with what YOU said. But it has
EVERYTHING to do with what the OP said.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:59 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote:

snip

$100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine
radios $12.89 US.


There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of
the question.

$500 is 5 times $100, which is the amount in question.


Yup. Glad to see you can do multiplication. Shall we try division now?


Shall we try to pay attention to what was written, i.e. radios for $100?

And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there
are.

I already told you what they are.


That's all of them? I know you didn't mention Hong Kong in your earlier
post.

I didn't mention all of them because the exchange rate make a $100 radio
a ludicrous idea.


snip

Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They
still do.

Yes, but the original question was about monitoring, and no license is
required for that.


No, but then you don't need a transceiver on land, either. A simple
scanner will suffice.

Likely, but he also specifically said he might want to use it on his boat.

However, he specifically is asking about installing a radio. To me this
means he wants to monitor the *trip*, not the frequency - and to do so
is interested in talking to those in the kayaks. Why else would he be
asking about installing a radio, instead of just a receiver?

Because:

1. A scanner may have never occured to him.

2. He also might use it on his boat as he said.

snip

It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or
not until you know what country the OP is in.

How much are you willing to bet he is in neither the USA or Canada, both
of which have essentially the same rules.


I'm not willing to bet anything, because I don't make assumptions one
way or the other. And I don't give advice based on facts I don't know.

Ever heard the saying "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and
quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."? Everything he wrote
points to being from the US with a slight chance of Canada.

Also, your "advice" had nothing to do with the questions asked and instead
immediately took the position of net cop to make *sure* everything he
did was legal in your eyes.

Also, he said he wanted to monitor on land.


Again - he said he wanted to monitor the trip - not the frequency. And
he specifically asked about installing a radio - instead of a handheld.
To me this means he also wants to talk.

He actually said he wanted to monitor several things.

snip

That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same.

They are for the USA and Canada.


No where did he say where he was from. You are making an unwarranted
assumption.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then
it probably is a duck.

Also where he is is irrelevant to the questions he actually asked.


snip

I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe
North Korea...


But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations
still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft
radios, BTW).

Which has nothing to do with what I said; read it again.



No, it doesn't have anything to do with what YOU said. But it has
EVERYTHING to do with what the OP said.

Nope, I said the Internet is full of *reviews*.

You immediately went off on legalities.

Two differnent subjects.


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On 9/2/2013 3:55 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:59 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/2/2013 12:01 AM, wrote:

snip

$100 Hong Kong is $12.89 US; I doubt you will find many VHF marine
radios $12.89 US.


There are amateur radios available for $500 HK. That is not out of
the question.

$500 is 5 times $100, which is the amount in question.


Yup. Glad to see you can do multiplication. Shall we try division now?


Shall we try to pay attention to what was written, i.e. radios for $100?


Exactly. And there are some awfully cheap radios coming from China
nowadays. Like this one:
http://www.radioddity.com/us/baofeng...ham-radio.html

Easily within the $100-500 HK.

And I don't know what other countries use the dollar, but I'm sure there
are.

I already told you what they are.


That's all of them? I know you didn't mention Hong Kong in your earlier
post.

I didn't mention all of them because the exchange rate make a $100 radio
a ludicrous idea.


Like the one I mentioned above? And are ALL Asian exchange rates the
same? I don't think so.


snip

Which does not mean short stations do not have to be licensed. They
still do.

Yes, but the original question was about monitoring, and no license is
required for that.


No, but then you don't need a transceiver on land, either. A simple
scanner will suffice.

Likely, but he also specifically said he might want to use it on his boat.

Which would indicate a transceiver.


However, he specifically is asking about installing a radio. To me this
means he wants to monitor the *trip*, not the frequency - and to do so
is interested in talking to those in the kayaks. Why else would he be
asking about installing a radio, instead of just a receiver?

Because:

1. A scanner may have never occured to him.

2. He also might use it on his boat as he said.


In which case he would need a license to use it in his truck in many
(most?) countries.

snip

It is exactly the issue. You can't say whether a license is required or
not until you know what country the OP is in.

How much are you willing to bet he is in neither the USA or Canada, both
of which have essentially the same rules.


I'm not willing to bet anything, because I don't make assumptions one
way or the other. And I don't give advice based on facts I don't know.

Ever heard the saying "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and
quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."? Everything he wrote
points to being from the US with a slight chance of Canada.


To use your language: Quack, Quack.

Nothing he wrote pointed to any country.

Also, your "advice" had nothing to do with the questions asked and instead
immediately took the position of net cop to make *sure* everything he
did was legal in your eyes.


No, I am making sure the advice I give is legal in HIS jurisdiction.
Obviously you don't care - you are more interested in arguing.

Also, he said he wanted to monitor on land.


Again - he said he wanted to monitor the trip - not the frequency. And
he specifically asked about installing a radio - instead of a handheld.
To me this means he also wants to talk.

He actually said he wanted to monitor several things.


Sure. And he specifically mentioned he wanted a radio instead of a
handheld, and wanted to use it in his boat as well as his truck.
Everything points to him asking for a transceiver.

snip

That does not mean the licensing requirements are the same.

They are for the USA and Canada.


No where did he say where he was from. You are making an unwarranted
assumption.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then
it probably is a duck.

Quack, quack.


Also where he is is irrelevant to the questions he actually asked.


Where he is is COMPLETELY relevant to the question he asked. But you
are more interested in proving your point than giving him correct answers.


snip

I don't think reviews are illegal to operate in any country, though maybe
North Korea...


But you don't know. As I said before, in the U.S., marine stations
still need to be licensed when on land (the same is true of aircraft
radios, BTW).

Which has nothing to do with what I said; read it again.



No, it doesn't have anything to do with what YOU said. But it has
EVERYTHING to do with what the OP said.

Nope, I said the Internet is full of *reviews*.

You immediately went off on legalities.

Two differnent subjects.



Obviously you can't read what I said. Once again - I wasn't talking
about what YOU said (I really couldn't care less). I was replying to
what the OP said.

But you are really hooked on you being right, aren't you? Me, I'd
rather give the OP answers which are legal where HE is. Which once
again, we don't know because he hasn't said.

Just because YOU are in the United States (or Canada) does NOT mean the
rest of the world is. This is a typical US-centric attitude I have seen
over and over again. There are other countries, you know. And some of
them even use radios.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

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Obviously you can't read what I said. Once again - I wasn't talking
about what YOU said (I really couldn't care less). I was replying to
what the OP said.

But you are really hooked on you being right, aren't you? Me, I'd
rather give the OP answers which are legal where HE is. Which once
again, we don't know because he hasn't said.

Just because YOU are in the United States (or Canada) does NOT mean the
rest of the world is. This is a typical US-centric attitude I have seen
over and over again. There are other countries, you know. And some of
them even use radios.

Here is the orginal question:

"Other than the obvious features like the remote mic unit, what should I
look for in getting a quality unit that will work the best without
breaking the bank."

FYI a feature is something like how many memories, are the backlights
dimmable, or does it have a built in AC power supply.

Nothing in that question has any relevance to what country the asker is
in.

You ignored the only question he had and went off on a net cop tangent
about legalities and needing to know what country he is in. To be
complete in that line of thinking you also need to know of which country
he is a citizen as any good net cop should know most countries do not
issue radio licenses to foreigner.

As for me, I just like having fun poking at net cops that get their
panties in a wad and go of on irrelevant tangets when someone asks
a rather simple question.







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On 9/2/2013 6:47 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

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Obviously you can't read what I said. Once again - I wasn't talking
about what YOU said (I really couldn't care less). I was replying to
what the OP said.

But you are really hooked on you being right, aren't you? Me, I'd
rather give the OP answers which are legal where HE is. Which once
again, we don't know because he hasn't said.

Just because YOU are in the United States (or Canada) does NOT mean the
rest of the world is. This is a typical US-centric attitude I have seen
over and over again. There are other countries, you know. And some of
them even use radios.

Here is the orginal question:

"Other than the obvious features like the remote mic unit, what should I
look for in getting a quality unit that will work the best without
breaking the bank."

FYI a feature is something like how many memories, are the backlights
dimmable, or does it have a built in AC power supply.

Nothing in that question has any relevance to what country the asker is
in.

You ignored the only question he had and went off on a net cop tangent
about legalities and needing to know what country he is in. To be
complete in that line of thinking you also need to know of which country
he is a citizen as any good net cop should know most countries do not
issue radio licenses to foreigner.


You obviously don't understand what the term "net cop" means. Or you
wouldn't be one.

As for me, I just like having fun poking at net cops that get their
panties in a wad and go of on irrelevant tangets when someone asks
a rather simple question.


So you admit you're a troll as well as a net cop? It figures.

plonk


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