That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html

No, GMRS uses 5W on GMRS frequencies that happen to be
SHARED with FRS. The radios that cover both the GMRS unique
and FRS unique frequencies will ONLY use FRS power levels on
the FRS unique frequencies.

Mike

Dr. Anton Squeegee wrote:
In article , Mark V. Russo says...


Power has nothing really to do with it to make it legal.


I beg to differ. FRS is, by FCC regulation, limited to a maximum
of 500mW ERP, and an antenna that is fixed/non-modifiable. Any
transmitter above that power level on FRS frequencies is very much
illegal.

That is actually not correct. GMRS licensees routinely use 5w on many
FRS frequencies. See http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsinter.html



Any ham radio is not FCC type accepted to transmit on FRS.

That is true.

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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI

I'll tell you why: go and listen to 14.313 any time and see how hams
have been made to look like idiots. Or if 20 isn't open, try most spots
between 3900-400 kHz.


David wrote:

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
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My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI





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Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
...
My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI


Everyone is so concerned about how much trouble it is for hams
when they can't use the same rig for other services, they forget
that it works both ways. Do we really want other services using
equipment that they can turn a knob on and use on the ham frequencies?

We only have to look at threads such as this over the years to see
that hams, who should know better and follow the rules carefully,
don't always respect the law. If a ham thinks "it won't hurt anyone"
to use a ham rig in some other service, then can anyone really expect
the average person who may know none of the radio laws to not turn
the knob and make use of the ham bands?

Once you've left the ham bands, you aren't a ham anymore.
You have to be like everyone else, and that means type approved
equipment. The type approval is not merely so someone "too dumb"
won't violate the rules. It is also about higher standards that
may be required when moving into a more important radio service.

Michael VE2BVW

I'll tell you why: go and listen to 14.313 any time and see how hams
have been made to look like idiots. Or if 20 isn't open, try most spots
between 3900-400 kHz.


David wrote:

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
...

My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI





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"David" ) writes:
Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
...
My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI


Everyone is so concerned about how much trouble it is for hams
when they can't use the same rig for other services, they forget
that it works both ways. Do we really want other services using
equipment that they can turn a knob on and use on the ham frequencies?

We only have to look at threads such as this over the years to see
that hams, who should know better and follow the rules carefully,
don't always respect the law. If a ham thinks "it won't hurt anyone"
to use a ham rig in some other service, then can anyone really expect
the average person who may know none of the radio laws to not turn
the knob and make use of the ham bands?

Once you've left the ham bands, you aren't a ham anymore.
You have to be like everyone else, and that means type approved
equipment. The type approval is not merely so someone "too dumb"
won't violate the rules. It is also about higher standards that
may be required when moving into a more important radio service.

Michael VE2BVW

Well yeah it's technically not legal with the FCC even though the radio is
limited to the legal 500mW power for the FRS service. To be type accepted
with the FCC the radio can't be frequency agile " i.e.. no VFO allowed." It
also can't have a detachable antenna because it would allow someone to
connect a 40 element yagi to the thing and get a 20 mile radius range our of
the FRS radio system if they had nothing better to do with their time.

In my opinion the FCC should lighten up on the rules against using amateur
radios for other services. If Hams can be trusted to own and operate radios
that are capable of 1.5 Kw and to keep the power under 200W when in the
Novice portions of bands and on 10 Meters, why can't we be trusted to run
are rigs down at 4 watts when transmitting on CB channels? It's rather
annoying that I have a top quality HF radio in my truck but was told that I
would have to install a crappy CB if I wanted to participate and volunteer
time to my local Hamilton/Mercer REACT teem.

just my thoughts.
David KG2LI



but dave it is still illegal to use on frs
"David" wrote in message
...
My Yaesu YX-1R was very easy to mod for the FRS channels.

David KG2LI