I meant to shut this off.
But forgot to unsubscribe the group.
When I read your "Reply" I thought about it and
finally decided to DE-BUNK the outrageous comments you made.

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
"Roger Gt" wrote:
Sorry, this can go no further, you
CHOSE not to believe anything
you like, but I was there at the
incidents described. (snip)

Yes, I choose not to believe accusations against a significant portion
of
this country's population, or accusations of incompetency against the
government of this country, without clear and convincing evidence to back
it
up. Surely you don't believe your word alone is enough for such
accusations,
in a public forum, to go unchallenged.

I made no accusations against any but the persons involved!
You were not there, and can only attempt to make it less clear.
What "significant portion of this country's population?"
The Peaceniks were at most somewhat less than 3% of the population, and
don't seem to share your dedication to protecting this country and it's
people.
I made no "accusations of incompetency against the government of this
country" Rather I pointed out My opinion of the generally poor decisions
made under a difficult set of circumstances.
These are hardly hidden and are for the most part common knowledge.

I was engaged in a discussion, not a court case, my word is good in court,
and many other forums, all of which I have a right to access and speak in.
You can not challenge my stated view of incidents by argument and innuendo!

(snip) So I will not continue, didn't mean
to get sucked into this line of discussion
anyway. The direction this has taken is
not in the topic of the radio group, and I
am leaving the group since it has produced
nothing of value or interest to me. (snip)

As I will shortly!

Well, that is certainly your decision to make. However, if what you've
said is really true, I strongly urge you to follow up by reporting your
experiences to the various veterans organizations in this country. Several
have ongoing programs to gather and verify the history of veterans over
the
years.

I made every attempt possible to me at the time. The school handled it as a
"student altercation" and their report did not state a cause! My sworn
statement is on record as were eight others.

The school has changed administrations since then, and the records are in
storage. It is possible, but not easy to obtain them. I've tried.

There have been auto accidents in California with over a hundred cars
involved, you heard how many were hurt and the outcome of these
accidents of course!

No, but there would be a written record of each of those automobile
accidents - newspaper accounts, police records, hospital records,
insurance
claims, and so on. The same is true for the incident you described (fifty
demonstrators jumping a marine, with fifteen requiring medical attention
for broken bones), which means your claim can be fairly easily verified if
true.

You are not quoting me, and clearly did not read nor understand what I said.
I said only one (Jackass) jumped the marine. There were fifty demonstrators
present, most ran when the violence erupted. Many (8) jumped in to help,
including myself. fifteen were looked at for medical reasons, but they were
only three broken bones, which I stated clearly! At the time the bones were
broken, there was some serious reduction in the action! Most were burses,
skinned knees and elbows, and (I think) a couple of black eyes.
Where do you get off mis-quoting in order to try to cast doubt upon someone
else? Is it poor form, dishonest and makes you look foolish!

Snipping out partial quotes, and modifying them to allow you more to comment
on is not questionable it is dishonest!
As to verification.
You have clearly never tried to obtain the records of an accident you were
not involved in!
You must state a reason, and they block out all names and addresses to
protect the privacy of the persons named. It takes a court order to obtain
more detail.

(snip) But why would you believe
the news papers, with known bias,
and not an eye witness? (snip)

I'm not going to "believe" anyone, including a supposed eyewitness,
without facts to back up what is said. I can ask a newspaper for the
source
of it's information, or research the incident myself in the same manner as
the newspaper did. But, an eyewitness, without verification of what is
said,
is the absolute least reliable source of information.

You would be a poor juror!
The court is clear, testimony and physical evidence are the only material
you may base a finding upon.

Also, as I said, I was not trying to make you believe, rather relate to you
an experience I HAD and verify that I had reason to believe it was more
common than the several minor incidents I personally viewed! Nothing you
have said changes anything at all!

You state the obvious as if you have
a problem believing it. Why if Generals
lack this magically unique knowledge
are they sometimes... (snip)


Again, a military officer does not have a mandate from the people to
make
decisions that could impact all Americans. In a democracy, we place that
authority in the hands of the elected government, not in Generals. The
elected President is Commander in Chief of the military and the soldiers
(including Generals) obey his commands. Any effort to subvert that system,
by claiming government should have no say in the actions of our military
or
whatever, is, in my opinion, a direct effort to subvert the very system of
government in this country. I took an oath many years ago to defend the
people, Constitution, and government, of this country. I still consider
the
ultimate goal of that oath worthwhile.

Repeating yourself doesn't make you more believable nor more patriotic!
You make statements which clearly indicate you either didn't understand what
I said, or have twisted the words to mean what you WANTED to hear. That
Ho-Ra not withstanding, it is not part of nor has any bearing upon the
discussion we were involved in.
I choose not to be drawn into a discussion of the responsibilities of
officers (Generals) to advise a president. It is not part of this
discussion!
After a visit to your poorly written web site, I see your travels possibly
corrupted your perspective and you have a twisted view of reality!