Quoth "Dwight Stewart" in
k.net:

"Roger Gt" wrote:

(snip) You are not quoting me, and clearly
did not read nor understand what I said.
I said only one (Jackass) jumped the marine.
There were fifty demonstrators present,
most ran when the violence erupted. Many
(8) jumped in to help, including myself.
fifteen were looked at for medical reasons,
but they were only three broken bones,
which I stated clearly! (snip)
Where do you get off mis-quoting in order
to try to cast doubt upon someone else?
Is it poor form, dishonest and makes you
look foolish!


Lets see who is really being dishonest here. Your exact words were...

"The worst one was when a gang
of about fifty demonstrators tried
to prevent an ex Marine from going
to class because the demonstration
was "shutting down" the school.. It
was only heated discussion, until
some jackass decided that since the
Jar-Head wouldn't do what they
told him they would restrain him. He
was gentle, no fatalities, fifteen taken
for medical attention. NEVER JUMP
a mud Marine! The crowd scattered
when he started breaking bones."

You clearly said "they," not one, tried to restrain the marine ("they
would restrain him"). You said nothing about most demonstrators running
when the violence erupted. Instead, you said the "crowd scattered when
he started breaking bones." You said nothing about the number of broken
bones. And, finally, you said fifteen demonstrators needed medical
attention ("He was gentle, no fatalities, fifteen taken for medical
attention"). The story you're telling now is a lot different from the
story you told before.

Just for the sake of completeness, the entire article may be found archived at
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=RSnGb.2255%24gO.607%40newssvr25.news.p rodigy.com.

It does indeed verify the accuracy of Dwight's quote.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth "Dwight Stewart" in
k.net:

"Roger Gt" wrote:

(snip) You are not quoting me, and clearly
did not read nor understand what I said.
I said only one (Jackass) jumped the marine.
There were fifty demonstrators present,
most ran when the violence erupted. Many
(8) jumped in to help, including myself.
fifteen were looked at for medical reasons,
but they were only three broken bones,
which I stated clearly! (snip)
Where do you get off mis-quoting in order
to try to cast doubt upon someone else?
Is it poor form, dishonest and makes you
look foolish!


Lets see who is really being dishonest here. Your exact words were...

"The worst one was when a gang
of about fifty demonstrators tried
to prevent an ex Marine from going
to class because the demonstration
was "shutting down" the school.. It
was only heated discussion, until
some jackass decided that since the
Jar-Head wouldn't do what they
told him they would restrain him. He
was gentle, no fatalities, fifteen taken
for medical attention. NEVER JUMP
a mud Marine! The crowd scattered
when he started breaking bones."

You clearly said "they," not one, tried to restrain the marine ("they
would restrain him"). You said nothing about most demonstrators running
when the violence erupted. Instead, you said the "crowd scattered when
he started breaking bones." You said nothing about the number of broken
bones. And, finally, you said fifteen demonstrators needed medical
attention ("He was gentle, no fatalities, fifteen taken for medical
attention"). The story you're telling now is a lot different from the
story you told before.

Just for the sake of completeness, the entire article may be found
archived at

http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...wssvr25.news.p
rodigy.com.

It does indeed verify the accuracy of Dwight's quote.


The story has not changed, I only added details to show his assumptions were
BOGUS.
Actually I DID detail the number of broken bones! The number taken to the
Schools clinic included four of us who tried to break it up! I only got a
skinned knee. I didn't feel that was a needed detail, or for that matter
than any significant detail was needed. I was unaware that Dwight was
intending to defend the actions about which he has no first hand knowledge!
You are also being very selective and not at all objective.
None of these comments has any impact upon the incident which occurred so
long ago!
So inclusion of "they" was a misleading indicator which cause him to jump to
several unfounded assumptions. Again, his perception, not my commentary.
There is no point in the "Cross Examination" unless he maintains the
Demonstrators were not at fault. Please Name those you are defending! I
was there and couldn't get the names!
Perhaps more detail would have been needed, but there seemed no point, it is
OT!
However let me point out that he makes the comment

(snip) After a visit to your poorly written web
site, I see your travels possibly corrupted your
perspective and you have a twisted view of
reality!

Those travels were arranged, and paid for, by the Department of Defense.

On his web page he states,
I was born in North Carolina in 1953. However, other than two years on the
coast of the Mediterranean Sea near Istanbul Turkey, I spent much of my
childhood in Sacramento California. I enlisted in the Army in 1970 and
served a little over two years in Germany (MOS 31M - Radio Relay Operator).
I returned to Europe in 1977 and found work as a sales representative with a
consumer electronics marketing firm based in Basel, Switzerland. I later
managed a German-owned computer store in Heidelberg.

During those ten years in Germany, I took a course in journalism and public
affairs, and an electrician course with several additional sub-courses in
communications fundamentals, logical troubleshooting, and electrical
physics.

In 1998, I went to Europe once again to live in Vicenza Italy for a year.
When I returned to the United States, I lived in Washington State for
several months and then moved to my present home in Myrtle Beach, South
Carolina.

Were all these Junkets paid for by Tax dollars? Shame!!!!

So much for your insistent irrelevant nitpicking!

Good Bye!

"Roger Gt" wrote:

(snip) However let me point out that he
makes the comment

(snip) After a visit to your poorly written
web site, I see your travels possibly
corrupted your perspective and you have
a twisted view of reality!

Those travels were arranged, and paid for,
by the Department of Defense.

On his web page he states,
I was born in North Carolina.... (snip)

(snip) Were all these Junkets paid for by
Tax dollars? Shame!!!!


If you wanted details, all you had to do was ask (as I did for you,
Roger). As for Turkey, my father was stationed there with the Air Force. The
trip to Germany was paid for by the Army while my wife was still on active
duty. She got out three years later and went to work for the Army as a
civilian employee (HQ USAREUR in Heidelberg). For much of that time I worked
at civilian jobs, and later for the Army itself. I was still working for the
Army, as a civilian employee, when we went to Italy (HQ SETAF in Vicenza)
for the Kosovo conflict. My wife retired as DoD employee shortly before the
trip to Italy and I retired shortly afterward (just after the trip to
Washington state).


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
link.net...
"Roger Gt" wrote:

(snip) However let me point out that he
makes the comment

(snip) After a visit to your poorly written
web site, I see your travels possibly
corrupted your perspective and you have
a twisted view of reality!

Those travels were arranged, and paid for,
by the Department of Defense.

On his web page he states,
I was born in North Carolina.... (snip)

(snip) Were all these Junkets paid for by
Tax dollars? Shame!!!!


If you wanted details, all you had to do was ask (as I did for you,
Roger). As for Turkey, my father was stationed there with the Air Force.
The
trip to Germany was paid for by the Army while my wife was still on active
duty. She got out three years later and went to work for the Army as a
civilian employee (HQ USAREUR in Heidelberg). For much of that time I
worked
at civilian jobs, and later for the Army itself. I was still working for
the
Army, as a civilian employee, when we went to Italy (HQ SETAF in Vicenza)
for the Kosovo conflict. My wife retired as DoD employee shortly before
the
trip to Italy and I retired shortly afterward (just after the trip to
Washington state).


Gee it hurts when the shoe is on the other foot.
That is what you were doing with what I said,
jumping to conclusions about what I said.
You did not ask, you assumed!
It is different when your ox is gored.

You should not be so quick to criticize others when
they do what your have been indulging in all along!

BTW: 'I' do believe you! My Step father was airforce,
we traveled all over. But rarely in Europe!
Although he used to go for several months at a time.
Usually as an interceptor pilot it was all over America.

But you didn't ask for more details, you criticized taking
immense leaps of faith at what you THOUGHT I had said!

To BAD!
Good Bye!

--
Set wards, light torches, unfurl banners, play a joyous tune.
Yes! Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow --- You know the rest!
The lot of all living things. To bide a bit, and pass!
Leaving only foot steps in the sands of time!

Happy Holidays to all! Celebrate as you will!
May the Gods be kind to you and yours!

"Roger Gt" wrote:

Gee it hurts when the shoe is on
the other foot. That is what you
were doing with what I said,
jumping to conclusions about
what I said. (snip)


I didn't jump to any conclusions. Instead, I simply questioned the exact
words you posted to this newsgroup.


You did not ask, you assumed!


See the last paragraph below.


It is different when your ox is gored.


Man, you're not at all in touch with reality. No ox of mine was gored. I
openly volunteered the information, as I have done many times in these
newsgroups over the years.


You should not be so quick to criticize
others when they do what your have
been indulging in all along!


Initially, any criticism was in your own head. I simply questioned the
story given. You grew defensive when it became obvious that I wasn't going
to accept your story as offered. At that point, you began to change and
embelish the story to make it more believable. But, in my view, those very
changes and embellishments only made the story less believable (the truth
rarely changes).


But you didn't ask for more details, you
criticized taking immense leaps of faith at
what you THOUGHT I had said!


I specificially asked you when and where the incident took place. If you
continue to deny that (as you've now done twice in this message), I'll post
an exact quote of those words too. Otherwise, I've had my say, with nothing
more needed to be said, so will therefore let this entire discussion drop at
this point. Take care, Roger.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth "Dwight Stewart" in
k.net:

"Roger Gt" wrote:

(snip)

And why would you care?

I only related that I HAD seen a demonstration where violence erupted, and
DS wanted to pick it apart. Nether polite conversation, nor good manners
were evident!
Are there no participants in news groups with a modicum of manners?
Are you defending violent demonstrations as a "first amendment right?"
Rhetorical, your answers are of no consequence, and will have no effect!
All will be as it is now, and the sands will cover it all in time!

--
Set wards, light torches, unfurl banners, play a joyous tune.
Yes! Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow --- You know the rest!
The lot of all living things. To bide a bit, and pass!
Leaving only foot steps in the sands of time!

Happy Holidays to all! Celebrate as you will!
May the Gods be kind to you and yours!