Some of the points to my petition:

1. This petition is neither for nor against K1MAN renewal, instead it
is being sent to the commission for the purpose of the FCC to answer a
few questions. These question mostly circle around the recent NAL given
to K1MAN.

2. INTERFERENCE: The question of why the FCC seems to be going only
after K1MAN when W1AW has also been reported to have cause
interference. It seems funny that since 1987 the FCC has repeatedly
sent warning letters and NAL's to K1MAN and not W1AW, who has been
reported to begin transmitting over ongoing communications. It is also
rather funny that amateur's, even the ones that W1AW has transmitted
over, seem to target only K1MAN.

3. PECUNIARY INTEREST: Amateur radio is a non-commercial service and
according to the rules and regulations amateur radio stations cannot
have pecuniary interest either direct or indirect. The first of the
questions is why does the FCC have a double standard or definition to
the term non-commercial? Non-commercial under the general rule is a
station that can't make a profit; instead a station can make money, to
sustain the station. Non-commercial FM and AM radio station due it
through viewer support and non-commercial point to point services do it
through state and federal funds ALL other service are able to get funds
to run their stations either commercial and non-commercial. The second
is direct or indirect rule. K1MAN on his Information bulletin
advertised his website which had commercial goods on it (DIRECT) while
when some one listens to W1AW, like a short-wave listener, or a future
ham operator they would get on the Internet and do a search for W1AW,
which in term would lead them to the ARRL site, site, which also has
goods for sale (INDIRECT). So the question is why is the FCC going
after the ARRL for their indirect sale of goods? It seems that the FCC
has a double standard when it comes to who can bend the rules and who
can't. Which leads to the finally question, Does announcing your
website on the radio (even if it to some guys your talking too) and it
has commercial advertisement on it really constitute pecuniary
interest? And again if so then why is the ARRL allowed to sale products
on their website.

4. Broadcasting: Under the FCC rules governing amateur radio, ham
operators are not allowed to broadcast, however under 97.3(a)(25) and
97.111(b)(6) amateur can run Information bulletins. The questions are
where does the line between Information bulletin end and broadcasting
begin? Many amateurs believe that an Information bulletin is to be a
newscast and is not allowed to opinionated. Which raises the second and
third question, where in the amateur rules does it state an information
bulletin cannot be opinionated? Third does these "non-opinionated
rules" allowed under the "non-content based rules" (the Courts has
ruled repeatedly that the FCC rules must be content-neutral) or Under
Section 326 of the Communication Act of 1934 as amended, (prohibits the
FCC from control the content of station except for obscene and indecent
material) or the First Amendment

"N9OGL" wrote in message
ups.com...
Some of the points to my petition:

1. This petition is neither for nor against K1MAN renewal, instead it
is being sent to the commission for the purpose of the FCC to answer a
few questions. These question mostly circle around the recent NAL given
to K1MAN.



BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?


2. INTERFERENCE: The question of why the FCC seems to be going only
after K1MAN when W1AW has also been reported to have cause
interference. It seems funny that since 1987 the FCC has repeatedly
sent warning letters and NAL's to K1MAN and not W1AW, who has been
reported to begin transmitting over ongoing communications. It is also
rather funny that amateur's, even the ones that W1AW has transmitted
over, seem to target only K1MAN.


FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.


3. PECUNIARY INTEREST: Amateur radio is a non-commercial service and
according to the rules and regulations amateur radio stations cannot
have pecuniary interest either direct or indirect. The first of the
questions is why does the FCC have a double standard or definition to
the term non-commercial? Non-commercial under the general rule is a
station that can't make a profit; instead a station can make money, to
sustain the station. Non-commercial FM and AM radio station due it
through viewer support and non-commercial point to point services do it
through state and federal funds ALL other service are able to get funds
to run their stations either commercial and non-commercial. The second
is direct or indirect rule. K1MAN on his Information bulletin
advertised his website which had commercial goods on it (DIRECT) while
when some one listens to W1AW, like a short-wave listener, or a future
ham operator they would get on the Internet and do a search for W1AW,
which in term would lead them to the ARRL site, site, which also has
goods for sale (INDIRECT). So the question is why is the FCC going
after the ARRL for their indirect sale of goods? It seems that the FCC
has a double standard when it comes to who can bend the rules and who
can't. Which leads to the finally question, Does announcing your
website on the radio (even if it to some guys your talking too) and it
has commercial advertisement on it really constitute pecuniary
interest? And again if so then why is the ARRL allowed to sale products
on their website.


SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?


4. Broadcasting: Under the FCC rules governing amateur radio, ham
operators are not allowed to broadcast, however under 97.3(a)(25) and
97.111(b)(6) amateur can run Information bulletins. The questions are
where does the line between Information bulletin end and broadcasting
begin? Many amateurs believe that an Information bulletin is to be a
newscast and is not allowed to opinionated. Which raises the second and
third question, where in the amateur rules does it state an information
bulletin cannot be opinionated? Third does these "non-opinionated
rules" allowed under the "non-content based rules" (the Courts has
ruled repeatedly that the FCC rules must be content-neutral) or Under
Section 326 of the Communication Act of 1934 as amended, (prohibits the
FCC from control the content of station except for obscene and indecent
material) or the First Amendment


The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

Your shot goof.

Dan/W4NTI

BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumbass you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

break

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

in point of fact K1MAN's real "crime" is being unpopular sorry to say
that amounts to crime these days


SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumbass you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

Todd N9OGL

Trying to reason with Toad is like talking to a rock.

Dan/W4NTI

"N9OGL" wrote in message
ups.com...
BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question
from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumbass you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
BWAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAA....you seriously expect the FCC to answer a question from
YOU?

Well you dumb redneck, either they will or the court of appeals will
tell too.

FCC responds to complaints. The issue is K1MAN, not W1AW. If you got a
problem with W1AW, send in a complaint. If you got the gonads that is.

Moron, W1AW does the same thing, it is funny that ALL THE MORONS in
amateur radio complain about K1MAN, and not W1AW.

Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

SNIP What a blowhard you are Toad. Ham radio is NOT COMMERCIAL.
Broadcast radio is. Need I continue, really? You are not actually that
ignorant are you?

And what dumb### you are, Amateur radio is NON-COMMERCIAL, but
NON-COMMERCIAL IN ALL THE OTHER SERVICE CAN MAKE MONEY, BUT ONLY ENOUGH
TO SUBSTAIN THE STATION. Commercial radio can make a profit, read the
rules you freaking moron.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

The FCC has answered that question. It is UP TO THE CONTROL OPERATOR.

yeah but the NAL seems to me is an attempt by the FCC to control the
content. Simply because the definitions of an information bulletin and
broadcasting is very vague.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such
as yourself, as to what they are.

Steve, K4YZ

Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference"
is.

Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to
be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

Nope.

The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.

K1MAN does.

It really is THAT simple.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
N9OGL wrote:
Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference"
is.

Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to
be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason.

not at all obvious many possible explainations exist for complaining
about K1MAN and not about W1AW


Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

Nope.

The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.

K1MAN does.

It really is THAT simple.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

Steve, K4YZ

Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.


You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

Todd N9OGL