N9OGL wrote:
Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference"
is.

Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to
be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason.

Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

Nope.

The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.

K1MAN does.

It really is THAT simple.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
N9OGL wrote:
Perhaps because the ARRL/W1AW actually provide a usable service to
Amateur Radio...Not to mention that at least W1AW keeps it's operations
close to the band edges where few folks venture...K1MAN plops down in
the middle of the band and other operations be danged.

Doesn't matter, Interference, is interference. it doesn't matter if
they are providing a service or not.

It's the receiving station's inerpretation of what "interference"
is.

Obviously a significantly higher number of people consider K1MAN to
be "interference" than they do W1AW. And for good reason.

not at all obvious many possible explainations exist for complaining
about K1MAN and not about W1AW


Read the rules yourself...And try to not drool on them as you do.

I have read the rules and there is a double standard on the definition
of what non-commercial is

Nope.

The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.

K1MAN does.

It really is THAT simple.

It's not vague to anyone except for those Junior D-J types, such as yourself, as to what they are.

No, the one's don't understand are those who try to put more into the
rules then what is here. For example the idea that information
bulletins can be opinionated, yet there is no rule that states that,
nor is there any order from the FCC that states that.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

Steve, K4YZ

Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.


You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

Todd N9OGL

N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ:

Well there ya go, ya figured it out!

K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does!

Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter
anymore then they do arrl/W1AW.

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

.... and of course, Glen Baxter funds K1MAN!

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 12:05:17 -0700, John Smith wrote:

K4YZ:

Well there ya go, ya figured it out!

K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does!

Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter
anymore then they do arrl/W1AW.

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

"John Smith",

Have you ever listened to a K1MAN 2 hour "bulletin"???? His bad mouthing of
his fellow hams, the FCC, the ARRL and "opinions" about his so called
service to ham radio is nothing but a self aggrandizing pat on his own back.

He would plop down right on top of on going communications, then send out
"felony affidavits" to those that told him to get bent. Fully indicating he
had indeed been listening before the broadcast began. He should have sent
himself one of those cheaply copied useless pieces of paper.

Mr. Baxter basically has made a total laughing stock of himself to any ham
that has the ability to reason and think. Obviously Toad can't do either.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
K4YZ:

Well there ya go, ya figured it out!

K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does!

Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter
anymore then they do arrl/W1AW.

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

Dan:

I will be holding sales of my "Save K1MAN!" (on the front) and "Glen
Baxter is a GOD!" (on the back) T-Shirts on as close a freq to 3.840 as I
can find vacant... drop by when I am taking orders, you may wish to
purchase one! grin

I think everyone just wants to see arrl/W1AW cease and desist, or toe
the line... and glen is a good vehicle to bring that debate to a head...

John

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:43:02 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"John Smith",

Have you ever listened to a K1MAN 2 hour "bulletin"???? His bad mouthing of
his fellow hams, the FCC, the ARRL and "opinions" about his so called
service to ham radio is nothing but a self aggrandizing pat on his own back.

He would plop down right on top of on going communications, then send out
"felony affidavits" to those that told him to get bent. Fully indicating he
had indeed been listening before the broadcast began. He should have sent
himself one of those cheaply copied useless pieces of paper.

Mr. Baxter basically has made a total laughing stock of himself to any ham
that has the ability to reason and think. Obviously Toad can't do either.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
K4YZ:

Well there ya go, ya figured it out!

K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man) does!

Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter
anymore then they do arrl/W1AW.

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

Check is in the mail.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
Dan:

I will be holding sales of my "Save K1MAN!" (on the front) and "Glen
Baxter is a GOD!" (on the back) T-Shirts on as close a freq to 3.840 as I
can find vacant... drop by when I am taking orders, you may wish to
purchase one! grin

I think everyone just wants to see arrl/W1AW cease and desist, or toe
the line... and glen is a good vehicle to bring that debate to a head...

John

On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:43:02 +0000, Dan/W4NTI wrote:

"John Smith",

Have you ever listened to a K1MAN 2 hour "bulletin"???? His bad mouthing
of
his fellow hams, the FCC, the ARRL and "opinions" about his so called
service to ham radio is nothing but a self aggrandizing pat on his own
back.

He would plop down right on top of on going communications, then send
out
"felony affidavits" to those that told him to get bent. Fully indicating
he
had indeed been listening before the broadcast began. He should have
sent
himself one of those cheaply copied useless pieces of paper.

Mr. Baxter basically has made a total laughing stock of himself to any
ham
that has the ability to reason and think. Obviously Toad can't do
either.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Dan/W4NTI

"John Smith" wrote in message
news
K4YZ:

Well there ya go, ya figured it out!

K1MAN (the licensee) does NOT make any money! Glen Baxter (the man)
does!

Same thing, good argument you posed, the FCC shouldn't hassle baxter
anymore then they do arrl/W1AW.

John

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700, K4YZ wrote:


N9OGL wrote:
Nope.
The ARRL does not refer listeners to it's website for it's paid
services.
K1MAN does.
It really is THAT simple.

The rules state and an amateur station cannot make money direct or
indirect. when a shortwave listener hears W1AW their going to go to
the
internet and go to yahoo or google and look it up which leads them
directly to the ARRL site. that's called INDIRECT as to K1MAN's
DIRECT.

W1AW does NOT "make money", direct or indirect.

The American Radio Relay League does, which in turn funds W1AW.

But then you could also say that my employer "funds" K4YZ in the
same way.

You're the one trying to "...put more into the rules then (sic)
what is here."

no I'm not, I have been stating there is no rule and regulation nor
final order from the FCC that states an Information bulletin can not
be
opinionated. If the FCC didn't want Information bulletins to
opinionated then they would of stated in the rules, they have that
power.

So far, no one has abused the rules in such a way as to argue what
"information" means. The FCC has pretty much assumed (erroneously,
obviusly...) that the average person knew the difference.

"Opinion" is not "information"...it's opinion. And offering your
opinion in a one-way transmission is broadcasting.

Steve, K4YZ

"Dan/W4NTI" wrote in message
ink.net...
"John Smith",

Have you ever listened to a K1MAN 2 hour "bulletin"???? His bad mouthing
of his fellow hams, the FCC, the ARRL and "opinions" about his so called
service to ham radio is nothing but a self aggrandizing pat on his own
back.

He would plop down right on top of on going communications, then send out
"felony affidavits" to those that told him to get bent. Fully indicating
he had indeed been listening before the broadcast began. He should have
sent himself one of those cheaply copied useless pieces of paper.

Mr. Baxter basically has made a total laughing stock of himself to any ham
that has the ability to reason and think. Obviously Toad can't do either.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Dan/W4NTI

I agree.
Ace - WH2T