K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote

Hans was trolling for much the response he got........

Posting job opportunities for communications crafts in a radio-orientated
newsgroup is trolling?

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

the original post never realy belonged here at least the religous
thread under Katrina response evolved from a legit topic

an_old_friend wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote

Hans was trolling for much the response he got........

Posting job opportunities for communications crafts in a radio-orientat=
ed
newsgroup is trolling?

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

Hans apparently forgets the distinction between amateur radio and radio
for hire. I'll allow the usual suspects to set him straight on the
matter.

wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote

Hans was trolling for much the response he got........

Posting job opportunities for communications crafts in a radio-orient=
ated
newsgroup is trolling?

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

Hans apparently forgets the distinction between amateur radio and radio
for hire. I'll allow the usual suspects to set him straight on the
matter.

hans forgets most distintions when it suits him,

Jim Hampton wrote:
What you do not seem to realize is that the folks that actually learned
something (before the multiple guess answers came out), just might have a
few skills.

These are usually folks that have a genuine interest in how things work, not
how to turn a knob or push a button or keys. This isn't to say that folks
that simply wish to talk are not welcome; they certainly are.

Although I do not possess a college degree, I am a certified electronics
technician. I have repaired two-way radios (business and trunking radios).
I have done a lot of electrical control and power wiring. I have not worked
in high voltage, but have done a fair amount of 277/480 3 phase work. I've
climbed atop silos and repaired bag houses. Welded, soldered, cut, run
milling machines, surface grinders, lathes, and more. If a saws-all can't
do the job readily, the oxy-acetylene tourch will handle it well for me
(hmmmm ... wonder how that would solder pl-259s? LOL). Done EMC compliance
studies along with UL compliance. Come to think of it, ozone compliance.
Can you spell exponential decay? Come to think of it, I've programmed
slc-500s, Texas Instruments PLCs, Modicon PLCs, and more (including data
highways and ethernet). Even written a program to generate ladders from
simply inputting I/O assignments and letting the program know what I want to
have happen. Under 15 minutes to properly program 3 cells. Another 5
minutes to debug because someone wired a switch backwards (normally closed
rather than normally open).

And a whole lot more, I bet.

The trouble is that skills aren't as valued as they once were.
Particularly if they aren't "state of the art", whatever that means.
Whether it be
Morse Code or how to put up an antenna in a less-than-perfect location,
or even make your own bread, many people look down upon "basic" or
"old" skills as a sort of poor relation to "high tech". As in "not
worth their time or effort".

The nice thing about amateur radio is that it encompasses a whole spectrum
of individuals, unlike most trade magazines. To me, advertising in an
amateur publication such as QST would make a lot of sense, especially if you
are trying to locate a number of different skills (rather than a number of
ads in different magazines or newspapers).

Agree 100%. There's a long history of such ads, too.

As to Morse, it can be fun. If we had difficulty with it back when (for me,
1962), we learned to overcome that difficulty (not a bad thing to learn, in
my humble opinion). Come to think of it, as much grief as it gave me (when
memorizing dots and dashes), once I learned it by sound, I enjoyed it and by
1967 had perfect copy at 40 words per minute in the U.S. Navy. More than
40? I don't know; that was the fastest test they had back then. I would
have had difficulty much beyond that as we were banging away with manual
typewriters then. I might have (possibly) made 50 at most. Disclaimer -
that would be perfect typewritten copy filling close to a whole page of
paper. A few errors would have allowed me considerably faster copy. Then.
(LOL)

It took a bit of doing for me to learn Morse Code. First I acquired a
straight key and built an oscillator so I could practice sending. But
they also tested receiving back in 1967, so I had to build a receiver,
find the 80 meter ham band, find some hams sending fairly slowly, and
then figure out what they were sending. I guess being 12-13 years old
and not having anybody tell me I was too young helped...

---

You may enjoy this article, too: I sure did.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...ml?sid=1394604

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
Jim Hampton wrote:
What you do not seem to realize is that the folks that actually learned
something (before the multiple guess answers came out), just might have a
few skills.

These are usually folks that have a genuine interest in how things work, not
how to turn a knob or push a button or keys. This isn't to say that folks
that simply wish to talk are not welcome; they certainly are.

Although I do not possess a college degree, I am a certified electronics
technician. I have repaired two-way radios (business and trunking radios).
I have done a lot of electrical control and power wiring. I have not worked
in high voltage, but have done a fair amount of 277/480 3 phase work. I've
climbed atop silos and repaired bag houses. Welded, soldered, cut, run
milling machines, surface grinders, lathes, and more. If a saws-all can't
do the job readily, the oxy-acetylene tourch will handle it well for me
(hmmmm ... wonder how that would solder pl-259s? LOL). Done EMC compliance
studies along with UL compliance. Come to think of it, ozone compliance.
Can you spell exponential decay? Come to think of it, I've programmed
slc-500s, Texas Instruments PLCs, Modicon PLCs, and more (including data
highways and ethernet). Even written a program to generate ladders from
simply inputting I/O assignments and letting the program know what I want to
have happen. Under 15 minutes to properly program 3 cells. Another 5
minutes to debug because someone wired a switch backwards (normally closed
rather than normally open).

And a whole lot more, I bet.

The trouble is that skills aren't as valued as they once were.
Particularly if they aren't "state of the art", whatever that means.

indeed Nobody values skill with the Buggy whip or it radio counterpart

an_old_friend wrote:
wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
K=D8HB wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote

Hans was trolling for much the response he got........

Posting job opportunities for communications crafts in a radio-orie=
ntated
newsgroup is trolling?

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

Hans apparently forgets the distinction between amateur radio and radio
for hire. I'll allow the usual suspects to set him straight on the
matter.

hans forgets most distintions when it suits him,

And his Cronies forget to trot out their amateur vs military vs
commercial arguments when it suits them.

Funny that word "Croney." NPR has been getting a lot of play out of it
recently. They say it as if it's a bad thing.

Below is one of the stupidest nonsensical posts ever to grace rrap, and we are
all dumber for having read it.


"an_old_friend" wrote

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

the original post never realy belonged here at least the religous
thread under Katrina response evolved from a legit topic

"KØHB" wrote in message
ink.net...
Below is one of the stupidest nonsensical posts ever to grace rrap, and we
are all dumber for having read it.


"an_old_friend" wrote

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

the original post never realy belonged here at least the religous
thread under Katrina response evolved from a legit topic


Well Hans what did you expect from call signless an_old_fiend ?
Ace - WH2T

Dr.Ace wrote:
"K=D8HB" wrote in message
ink.net...
Below is one of the stupidest nonsensical posts ever to grace rrap, and=
we
are all dumber for having read it.


"an_old_friend" wrote

yes

and using the hurricane to acheive this result is well... not nice
either

this not a help wanted venure

nor do you even bother to deny

telephones skills are related to radio policy, as you (should) know
Hans

You posted the material expecting the reuslt you got, and then had the
ill grace to complain about it

then you folow with a hack job on a post

the original post never realy belonged here at least the religous
thread under Katrina response evolved from a legit topic


Well Hans what did you expect from call signless an_old_fiend ?

guess you haven't been reading the newgroup much Hans knows my call as
do most people that bother reading the group

Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

Dr.Ace wrote:
Snipped

Ace - WH2T

you OTOH don't even bother with a Name, as is of course your right, but
like many in the world you don't reconize the right of others to do
things differently

sad that the USA has come to that the nation that has bleed for freedom
is not made up of people that respect it
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I am a U.S. Army veteran. I respect freedom of speech and I respect freedom
from government tyranny.
My name is Ace - Look up WH2T on QRZ.com
I take it your name must be "an_old_friend"
I respect the opinions of licensed amateur radio operators more than the
opinions of unlicensed people in rec.radio.amateur groups. But, just because
someone has a call sign doesn't automatically earn them my respect.
Ace - WH2T
"You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot
be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great
Legislator of the Universe."-John Adams.

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