"J. D. B." wrote in
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John,

Just get on digital modes. Don't worry about CW. Digital is where the
fun is and the copy is much better.

A buddy of mine in St. Louis and I experimented with low power and
various digital modes last night on 40 meters. CW was marginal. The
best was DominoEX with FEC - just about 100% all the time and it also
has a second channel to display additional information.

CW can be fun at times, but maybe it's not your thing. Let the
stone-age hams continue with CW, and move up and on to the digital
modes.

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

"JOHN D" wrote in
news:gD2ug.2582$k31.2016@trnddc06:


"L is easy to remember. "to hell with it".

Thank you, I was haveing trouble confusing "F" and "L"

I got nothing against CW, but being kept out of amateur radio for 40+
years cus I had difficulty learning the code, sucks.
Finally, I got enough right to barely pass the 5 wpm test. Still can't
find anybody slow enough for me to copy on the air.
If I ever get good enough to use it, I'll try a few homebrew transmitter
projects.

I expect there are some technically competent people who might be
interested in amateur radio, but have no interest in learning code.
John

They're not interested in being about to communicate in all ways
effectively, they just want to be phonies. They they could've stuck to CB
for that.

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.

JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.

Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****), which means that it happens all the time. It
seems rather strange that none of this seems to make the headlines or news.

BTW, I overheard this while I was visiting in Toronto and witnessed an
accident: " Wow! The police and ambulance are much quicker here than in
Atlanta".

JB

John Barnard wrote:

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.

JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.

Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****),

Are you certain that isn't Barnard ****?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

John Barnard wrote:

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry John, do some reading for once as that is the reality of the
Canadian system. You'll actually learn something if you do research
yourself and not just listen to NPR and CNN.

Now, on the other hand, if you live in the U.K., you'll still have
healthcare through the end of the year, but if you are too old, they
just let you die as it is not worth the expenditure to keep someone
old alive even longer. But again, hey, your estate gets to keep the
money!

Come on, this isn't really John now is it? Hillary Clinton, is that
you?

John Barnard wrote:

You are one delusional mofo! Lay off the Bush sauce and you'll be
able to handle reality.

JB


Here are your words:

If you get sick late in the year, and the healthcare
facility/hospital shut down for the rest of the year because it ran
out of government money (a typical scenario in Canada), there will be
no one to give you any care and you'll just die.

Pray tell, oh wise one, from what source are you getting this
information? You claim that this is a typical scenario in Canada, which
is utter BS (= Bush ****), which means that it happens all the time. It
seems rather strange that none of this seems to make the headlines or news.

Maybe they just don't want you to know the truth? Not surprising, since the
government in CanaDuh woud fall if you ever discovered the truth.

BTW, I overheard this while I was visiting in Toronto and witnessed an
accident: " Wow! The police and ambulance are much quicker here than in
Atlanta".

Did the accident involve the police and the ambulance racing to the donut shop?
Maybe that's why they appeared to be quicker.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good Riddance.

Slow Code wrote:

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

Slow Code wrote:
Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

If CW testing is such a good thing, let's bump it up to 50.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

J. D. B. wrote:
Sorry Blow Code, but you cannot turn back the hands of time. The 13 & 20
WPM tests are gone forever. And soon, the CW testing requirement will
be eliminated completely. It's the will of the majority. It's
evolution. You can whine, cry and carry on all you want about the CW
testing requirement. It is going the way of the buggy whip, the Ford
Model-T, dinosaurs, the carrier pigeons, and a host of other old,
outdated, and unnecessary things of the past. Good Bye and Good Riddance.


not the majority prehaps it is the will of and judgement of those that
are supposed to serve the bets interest of the people

the best interest of the people are served but ending code testing and
the code culture that has dominated it and sent it on a downword slide

not certain we can fix it with NOCode but it will be easier to try
Slow Code wrote:

Yes, just as long as it's still required to get a license and the speeds
need to be bumped back up to 13 & 20wpm again.

SC

"J. D. B." wrote in
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Dee, you can disagree all you want. The fact is that the world is
moving on and away from CW testing. Not the mode, but the testing
requirement.
It is just outdated and not necessary. If you want to learn it and
then use it, great. The time has come to stop forcing an old mode onto
people. We can debate the merits of CW all day. In 200 years, no one
will be using it. It will die a natural death like all languages
because the world evolves. Better things come along. And like many
humans, you are resisting change because people hate change. But
change is inevitable. You cannot stop this change and it is a change
for the better even if you won't admit it. History will show the only
way to save the Amateur Radio Service and help its growth is to evolve
and change. Out with the old and in with the new. Those that won't
evolve will fade from the earth just like stone-age man. Good bye CW
testing requirement. Your departure is long, long overdue.

Dee Flint wrote:


Again I disagree. That analogy is not really valid. A better one
would be comparing it to driving an automobile with a stick shift. I
personally feel that every one who drives should be required to know
how to drive a stick. They often get better mileage than automatics as
an experienced driver can do a better job of selecting the shift point
than a mere gadget. More people might select stick shifts if only
they knew how to drive one.

Dee, N8UZE




As it happens, I do think people should have to learn on a stick shift, but
I don't support code testing. If you can't drive a stick shift, you can't
drive my car, as every car I've had has had a stick shift and so will every
car I buy in future. OTOH, every rig I've bought has come with a mic, and
none of them came with a key. Now, I know you can get some QRP rigs that
are CW only.

The point is, there is a very real chance that it may be necessary to drive
someone else's car in an emergency, or even just to help out. What happens
when you need to get someone to the emergency room and the only car
available is a stick shift? It's no good saying that statistically manual
shifts are declining in sales, as there are plenty of us who will never buy
an automatic.

OK, maybe you can say that you don't own a mic, and all the rigs in your
shack are hooked up to a key (good luck on the local repeater!). What then
is the realistic scenario where I will have to use one of your radios to
save the world? (or even to save the next door neighbour) Doesn't seem to
likely, does it?

Slow Code wrote:
"RHF" wrote in
ups.com:


JB - Spoken like a True Red and White
{Blue-in-the-Face} Canadian ~ RHF
.
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. .




Kanadians are more Red... Commie Red.

slow code is lo-co