Morning folks. I've been observing with sadness the infiltration by Gareth
Alun Evans to rec.radio.* recently and the disruption and rudeness that has
followed. Big G is well-known throughout many newsgroups as a troublemaker
and pernicious troll. Above all others, he considers uk.radio.amateur as
his "home" and his near two-decade history of abuse there is available for
all to review in Google Groups.

We've had enough of him and his idiocy. So, Project Shun was born. Broadly
speaking, Project Shun involves ignoring him en-masse, refusing to be drawn
into his trolling, refusing to lower ourselves to his level. In doing so,
the master attention-seeker is starved of the attention that he craves. And
it's working. Since Project Shun began, ukra has become a significantly
more useable group. Not perfect by any means, but for the first time in
months there are multiple on-topic and (comparatively) civil discussions
taking place and not descending into a morass of bile and hatred.

However, there are unintended (but not unforeseen, as Big G is a
predictable beast) consequences. The abuse and attention-seeking has
shifted from ukra to rrah (and other newsgroups). It would be my humble
suggestion that participants here also apply Project Shun to drive this
malicious and unpleasant troll away. And not only to restore order to your
group, but as a defence against the far more unsavoury side of his
"personality". As many of you will be aware, Big G was prosecuted and
convicted in court after contacting another user's employer with vile
insinuations that he was a danger to children (as he worked at a school, I
think you can understand the gravity of such an accusation). This was not
the first instance of such appalling behaviour, Big G had done exactly the
same to several other individuals he had fallen out with on Usenet, making
the same vile slur. Separated from many of you by an ocean and a legal
jurisdiction, I fear that he may be emboldened to try the same sick stunt
with you. Avoid that risk by blanking him completely.

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Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

On 24/07/14 09:06, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

However, there are unintended (but not unforeseen, as Big G is a
predictable beast) consequences. The abuse and attention-seeking has
shifted from ukra to rrah (and other newsgroups).

One of the unintended consequences is that I have now had to start
adding Americans to the KF, Stuckle being the first. This is the first
addition for quite some time. Let's hope it's the last.

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Spike

Spike wrote:
On 24/07/14 09:06, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

However, there are unintended (but not unforeseen, as Big G is a
predictable beast) consequences. The abuse and attention-seeking has
shifted from ukra to rrah (and other newsgroups).

One of the unintended consequences is that I have now had to start adding
Americans to the KF, Stuckle being the first. This is the first addition
for quite some time. Let's hope it's the last.

Sadly, Jerry played straight into Big G's hands and gave him the attention
he lusts after. Hopefully, my posting might help Jerry to see that there
are much more effective ways to get at Big G.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

On 7/24/2014 4:59 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 24/07/14 09:06, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

However, there are unintended (but not unforeseen, as Big G is a
predictable beast) consequences. The abuse and attention-seeking has
shifted from ukra to rrah (and other newsgroups).

One of the unintended consequences is that I have now had to start adding
Americans to the KF, Stuckle being the first. This is the first addition
for quite some time. Let's hope it's the last.

Sadly, Jerry played straight into Big G's hands and gave him the attention
he lusts after. Hopefully, my posting might help Jerry to see that there
are much more effective ways to get at Big G.


You can look at it both ways. He's so predictable that he's easy to
lead on. Trolls like him can be a lot of fun.

I'd love to see him try to contact my employer with such accusations -
they would get a huge laugh on it. Also, just because there are
jurisdictional differences doesn't mean legal action can't be taken
against him.

The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character requirement.
Here in the U.S. his license would very probably not be renewed due to
his court case.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 7/24/2014 4:59 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 24/07/14 09:06, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

However, there are unintended (but not unforeseen, as Big G is a
predictable beast) consequences. The abuse and attention-seeking has
shifted from ukra to rrah (and other newsgroups).

One of the unintended consequences is that I have now had to start adding
Americans to the KF, Stuckle being the first. This is the first addition
for quite some time. Let's hope it's the last.

Sadly, Jerry played straight into Big G's hands and gave him the attention
he lusts after. Hopefully, my posting might help Jerry to see that there
are much more effective ways to get at Big G.


You can look at it both ways. He's so predictable that he's easy to
lead on. Trolls like him can be a lot of fun.

I'd love to see him try to contact my employer with such accusations -
they would get a huge laugh on it. Also, just because there are
jurisdictional differences doesn't mean legal action can't be taken
against him.


If/when you need to launch a legal action, theres an awful lot of
background info in the Google archive that your legal team can call on.

The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character requirement.
Here in the U.S. his license would very probably not be renewed due to
his court case.

A very sensible system.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

On 7/24/2014 12:03 PM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 7/24/2014 4:59 AM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Spike wrote:
On 24/07/14 09:06, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

However, there are unintended (but not unforeseen, as Big G is a
predictable beast) consequences. The abuse and attention-seeking has
shifted from ukra to rrah (and other newsgroups).

One of the unintended consequences is that I have now had to start adding
Americans to the KF, Stuckle being the first. This is the first addition
for quite some time. Let's hope it's the last.

Sadly, Jerry played straight into Big G's hands and gave him the attention
he lusts after. Hopefully, my posting might help Jerry to see that there
are much more effective ways to get at Big G.


You can look at it both ways. He's so predictable that he's easy to
lead on. Trolls like him can be a lot of fun.

I'd love to see him try to contact my employer with such accusations -
they would get a huge laugh on it. Also, just because there are
jurisdictional differences doesn't mean legal action can't be taken
against him.


If/when you need to launch a legal action, theres an awful lot of
background info in the Google archive that your legal team can call on.

The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character requirement.
Here in the U.S. his license would very probably not be renewed due to
his court case.

A very sensible system.


Steve,

It was a joke. He can try to contact my employer, but it won't do any
good (I own the company). But it also doesn't matter. I've seen much
worse trolls on the internet. He doesn't even rank "wanna-be" compared
to some.

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On 7/24/2014 10:40 AM, Brian Morrison wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:23:23 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character requirement.

I think any such requirement would be struck down under UK and/or
European law. I am surprised that it still stands in the US, perhaps it
only applies to observed character traits related to use of radio?


Nope, it can apply to non-radio related convictions, also.

A radio license is a privilege, not a right.

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Jerry Stuckle

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On 7/24/2014 12:40 PM, Brian Morrison wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:44:15 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 7/24/2014 10:40 AM, Brian Morrison wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:23:23 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character
requirement.

I think any such requirement would be struck down under UK and/or
European law. I am surprised that it still stands in the US,
perhaps it only applies to observed character traits related to use
of radio?


Nope, it can apply to non-radio related convictions, also.

A radio license is a privilege, not a right.


Does the US apply that requirement to a driving licence?


Nowhere I know of. But drivers licenses are issued by the individual
states; radio licenses by the feds. So the comparison is moot.

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On 7/24/2014 12:40 PM, Brian Morrison wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:44:15 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

On 7/24/2014 10:40 AM, Brian Morrison wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:23:23 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character
requirement.

I think any such requirement would be struck down under UK and/or
European law. I am surprised that it still stands in the US,
perhaps it only applies to observed character traits related to use
of radio?


Nope, it can apply to non-radio related convictions, also.

A radio license is a privilege, not a right.


Does the US apply that requirement to a driving licence?

There have been cases where a license was denied due to other (non
radio) issues,,, Sexual perversion convictions, Homicide, Failure to
pay taxes.. All sorts of things.

I can not give you a specific case cite, but I can give you my source,
ARRL weekly newsletter. (on at least 2 of those)

however in teh case of the dude doing 20-life.. (Homicide) What need had
he of a license, since he was not in control of a radio.
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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Brian Morrison wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:23:23 -0400
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
The thing I regret is that OFCOM doesn't have a character requirement.
I think any such requirement would be struck down under UK and/or
European Law.
All the more reason to leave the EU and review our acceptance of EU law-
which
some European countries ignore when they feel like it.

Should those who are so reckless about the effects of their behaviour on
their
fellow man to the extent that they pick up a criminal conviction for
speeding,
or those who recount their many instances of operating HF equipment without
a licence also be covered by your holier-than-thou attitude?