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David Billington wrote:
On 23/12/17 00:39, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond wrote:

On 12/22/2017 2:24 PM, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:25:11 +0000, Brian Reay wrote:

[snip]

As a child, I had relatives who lived within 6 or 7 miles of us and
their dialect was quite different. Relatives of a similar age who lived
closer didn't show the same differences. At times it really was a bit of
an issue.
I had a high school teacher who said that her Italian husband's
home village had a similar thing: the dialect of the people across the
river was quite different.
Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!! :-)

I heard about a hotel in California that straddled area code
boundaries - it was long distance to call from one end of the
building to the other.

The town of Lloydminster sits right on the Alberta/Saskatchewan
border. There's some interesting billing there.

I know someone that could walk from one side of their house to the other
and their mobile coverage would go from Vodafone Holland to Vodafone
Belgium.



There's a town on Vermont/Quebec where the library sits on the border and
has has an entrance in each country.

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On 23/12/2017 14:47, Peter Flass wrote:
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]

Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!! :-)


I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
to allow for cities and geography.

Would this have been workable?


Do many people still pay long-distance charges? For many years we've had
plans with "free" nationwide calling. For a while when kids were in school
out of state we had a WATS line so they could fall us free. I cancelled it
later because I was getting too many calls from Puerto Rico where the
callers couldn' speak English.



In the UK there are various deals which include calls on landlines and
mobiles but there are local and long distance changes if you don't make
use of them, at least on landlines. The deals don't (generally) cover
international calls. 'Roaming' is now included on mobiles, at least in
the EU, although many companies off packages which include other
countries. The exact rules etc vary from company to company.


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Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]

Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!! :-)


I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
to allow for cities and geography.

Would this have been workable?


The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
billing.

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wrote in message ...
On 2017-12-22, Charles Richmond wrote:
On 12/21/2017 3:24 PM, Richard Stearn wrote:
Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Gareth's Downstairs Computer
wrote:
A very merry and satisfying Christmas and a happy new year
to all my readership.

And, on the basis that I'm finally getting around to
learning Cymraeg (Welsh), ...

... Nadolig LLawen!

How do you say "Not guilty" in Welsh, G? You might want to practice
that
one, just in case.

yn ddieuog


You'll need to do better than that... I don't have my Enigma machine
handy!!! ;-)


A few years ago, I stoppped for a couple of days at a farmhouse near
Carmarten(sp) . Nice people, most Welsh people are. I asked the
housewife how she did in Welsh.

"I miss some nuances, of course, I am from North Wales, only been
living here for fifty years."


In '84 we were on a train to new york from Stamford and the conductor
pinned our accent as Paisley area...turned out he used to conduct on the bus
between paisley and johnstone before he emigrated ....


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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]

Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!! :-)


I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
to allow for cities and geography.



In the 1980's I knew 2 brothers that lived next to each other. The
houses were seperated by a small field maybe 100 yards wide. They were
long distance from each other by the phone companies. Each one had a
different phone company.

Where I am at now I can not get ATT as its service starts about 1/4 of a
mile or less from me. I am on another phone company, or was before I
switched over to the internet phone. That was a very good thing for me.
I get free long distance, but best of all they block most robot calls.
The phone rings once and quits. The number is on the caller ID box and
if it really is something I want, I can dial them back. Also it is easy
to go on the internet and tell the phone company I want to block a
number. I don't do it, but a friend does, you can have the home phone
number send it to your cell phone after a few rings.



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In article , says...

Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]



The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
billing.


The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
internet phone I am now using.


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Ralph Mowery wrote on 12/23/2017 3:06 PM:
In article , says...

Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]



The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
billing.


The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
internet phone I am now using.


You seem to fail to understand how "the phone company" operates. They have
capital investment. A regulatory board allows them a certain profit based
on that capital investment. If they make too little profit they can request
rate changes of the regulatory board. TPC doesn't lose money.

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on the centerline of totality since 1998
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Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]

Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!! That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!! :-)


I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
using a better zone system. A call to the same zone or only one zone
away would be local; the others would be long distance. Set the zones
to allow for cities and geography.



In the 1980's I knew 2 brothers that lived next to each other. The
houses were seperated by a small field maybe 100 yards wide. They were
long distance from each other by the phone companies. Each one had a
different phone company.

Where I am at now I can not get ATT as its service starts about 1/4 of a
mile or less from me. I am on another phone company, or was before I
switched over to the internet phone. That was a very good thing for me.
I get free long distance, but best of all they block most robot calls.
The phone rings once and quits. The number is on the caller ID box and
if it really is something I want, I can dial them back. Also it is easy
to go on the internet and tell the phone company I want to block a
number. I don't do it, but a friend does, you can have the home phone
number send it to your cell phone after a few rings.



Our electric is like this. Most of our development is National Grid and our
street and one other are NYSEG. Some times this is good, but sometimes
we're out and the other streets aren't.

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2017 15:06:37 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]



The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
billing.


The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
internet phone I am now using.


The "phone company" is usually also the ISP in the modern world. I
don't think they really care that much about land-line calls anymore.
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On 12/23/2017 2:06 PM, rickman wrote:
Gene Wirchenko wrote on 12/23/2017 8:08 AM:
On Fri, 22 Dec 2017 15:39:08 -0600, Charles Richmond
wrote:

[snip]

Back in the bad old days, two houses on different sides of the same
freeway... a phone call from one house to the other... was a
long-distant toll call !!!* That is sort of analogous to speaking
dialects !!!* :-)


**** I always thought that that nonsense could have been solved by
using a better zone system.* A call to the same zone or only one zone
away would be local; the others would be long distance.* Set the zones
to allow for cities and geography.

**** Would this have been workable?


The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition.* I have a
place in a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used
dial up.* I got very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not
quite as local as the others so I could reach a provider.* Otherwise it
would have been a non-long distance toll call.* For many others on the
other side of the lake it was a toll call.* It's still that way some 30
years later.* TPC has no incentive to increase the non-toll region even
though it costs them nothing in equipment which was upgraded decades
ago.* They just have to change their billing.


You still pay for long distance? We've had unlimited (domestic) long
distance on our land lines for years. And that was long before Verizon
had competition.

Now they've changed us to fiber - no more POTS line; rather it's VOIP.
Works fine (better than the old copper) but the battery dies after about
5-8 hours of power outage, depending on how much we use it.

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