On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:19:41 EST, Bill Horne
wrote:

1. If anyone knows how to get "off road" gasoline, where
the price doesn't include road taxes, please tell me. They
have "off road" diesel fuel, but I don't know about gas.

You buy the gasoline with the road taxes, and apply for a rebate.
The USA Internal Revenue has a form for it:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4136.pdf
USA states have their own rebate programs. Search Google for
"Fuel Rebate your state name"

Dick Grady, AC7EL

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:39:59 EST, Jeffrey Angus
wrote:

We were the ONLY Christmas lights you could see for a mile
in any direction.

Yes, that definitely won me some "Atta-boy" points.

While the rest of the common folk froze in the dark.....
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On 11/30/2011 2:11 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
While the rest of the common folk froze in the dark.....

Yes, as my ex-mother in law used to say:
"Go, have a good time. I'll just sit in the dark and starve."

Jeff


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This evening I checked the blog of VK1OD, which is always interesting.
The most recent posting there is "A medium priced generator set from
eBay". Worth reading.
http://www.vk1od.net/hardware/genset/index.htm
Another example of getting what you pay for.

David, ex-W8EZE

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On 12/8/2011 5:36 AM, David Ryeburn wrote:
This evening I checked the blog of VK1OD, which is always interesting.
The most recent posting there is "A medium priced generator set from
eBay". Worth reading.
http://www.vk1od.net/hardware/genset/index.htm
Another example of getting what you pay for.

Thanks for the link. One part caught my eye:

"Since this generator will be used with multiple appliances
of Class II, the neutral was bonded to the earth conductor
to allow the effective use of a portable RCD device."

.... and I'm curious why that would be necessary. Of course, the author
is using 240 Volt, 50 Hz power, but I thought everyone kept neutral and
ground leads separate.

73,

Bill, W1AC

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In article , Bill Horne
wrote:

Thanks for the link. One part caught my eye:

"Since this generator will be used with multiple appliances
of Class II, the neutral was bonded to the earth conductor
to allow the effective use of a portable RCD device."

... and I'm curious why that would be necessary. Of course, the author
is using 240 Volt, 50 Hz power, but I thought everyone kept neutral and
ground leads separate.

I don't know. Maybe they do things differently in Australia from the way
they do things in the USA and Canada. You could ask him.

David, ex-W8EZE

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On 12/9/2011 12:37 AM, Bill Horne wrote:
... and I'm curious why that would be necessary. Of course, the author
is using 240 Volt, 50 Hz power, but I thought everyone kept neutral and
ground leads separate.

Actually, the Neutral is supposed to be bonded to ground at the panel.
It's just NOT supposed to be tied to ground anywhere else.

Jeff


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On 11/29/2011 10:27 PM, Bill Horne wrote:
On 11/29/2011 7:51 PM, John Davis wrote:
On 11/26/2011 12:09 AM, Bill Horne wrote:

What I want is a tri-fuel unit that will run on propane, diesel, or gas,
which has a sound rating below 60 db, which runs eight hours between
refuelings, and which costs less than $700. It's like the old joke from
the System Administrators: "'No bugs', 'Meets spec', 'On deadline': pick
two".

Finding one that runs on Gas, Diesel or Propane is going to be a
problem. Gas/Propane yes, Those/Diesel, not so easy.

Right now, I'd settle for any genset that won't break my budget and will
serve the purpose for three years. I was, of course, joking, but it
really does seem to be "Pick two": reliability and price come at the
expense of noise, etc.

For now, I'm looking around and hoping for an overstock sale that gets
me past my point of pain.

Bill, W1AC


Well the reason you find "Gas/Propane" or Disel is that the technology
is about 50% different, and the 50% that is the same is also different.

Same: Both use pistons in cylinders or sleeves containing explosions fo
fuel air to cause a crankshaft to turn.. Both use some kind fo cooling
system.

Different: How the fuel and air mix, How it is ignighted and How much
compression.

But with Gas/Propane.. All that changes is how they mix, Dual carbs
answers that.

Not break your budget.. There are a bunch of low cost SMALL generators,
I recently got some info on a Honeywell 2-cycle Inverter job that as I
recall was under 100 bucks for a 1000 watt unit.

However it does not scale up.. You need more watts. the price goes way
up. And I'd really prefer a 4-stroke engine.

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On 11/30/2011 12:19 AM, Bill Horne wrote:


1. If anyone knows how to get "off road" gasoline, where
the price doesn't include road taxes, please tell me. They
have "off road" diesel fuel, but I don't know about gas.



If you are buying in BULK, call the local fuel supplier.

If you use more than a few gallons a year, You file for a refund on your
state income tax.
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On 11/30/2011 12:39 AM, Jeffrey Angus wrote:
On 11/29/2011 11:19 PM, Bill Horne wrote:
Plus, frankly, there's more than a little bit
of "lookit me" factor: during the recent outage, even though
I was making do with a tiny 2KW set, the XYL was more than
happy that /her/ lights were on when everyone else's
were out.

Back in Culver City living with a friend. We had a short power
outage at their place. Christmas eve.

I fired up the EX4500S generator with the transfer switch
and lit up all 750 watts of Christmas lights around the
house.

We were the ONLY Christmas lights you could see for a mile
in any direction.

Yes, that definitely won me some "Atta-boy" points.

Also, the costs of transfer switches being what they are, Bill
sent me a WONDERFUL link of an innovative kit for retro-fitting
your existing service panel.

I have to spread this one around.

http://www.interlockkit.com/intro2.htm

Also, check the links section for some very good information on
not killing yourself or your utility workers.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


Though that is a good system.. I really like switches in a seperate
box... I can see how the lock out plate could come loose, or get bent,
or otherwise "Disabled" and you could end up with both generator and
mains connected to the mutual detrement of both.

The switch box I used (A UL approved Transfer switch) that is simply NOT
possible.

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