JC wrote:

Relax. He has Bill Clinton's Iraq war to gloat over,
lucky fella. You don't think Clinton has enough on
his mind with his levee failures in New Orleans

George W has been in office for 6 years and has cut way back on
domestic federal spending for infrastructure. You don't think he's to
blame?

David Kaye wrote:
JC wrote:


Relax. He has Bill Clinton's Iraq war to gloat over,
lucky fella. You don't think Clinton has enough on
his mind with his levee failures in New Orleans


George W has been in office for 6 years and has cut way back on
domestic federal spending for infrastructure. You don't think he's to
blame?


I have to explain that post? Bush isn't just a bad
president. (Carter, whom I supported, was no success
either.) Bush's cockamamie administration comes
from the deepest pit of hell.

JC wrote:

I have to explain that post?

Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton, yet
these failures happened 5 years into Bush's administration and after a
severe cutback in federal infrastructure funding. I normally don't
respond to your posts because it appears you come from another planet.
But I wasn't going to let this one slip by.

David Kaye wrote:
JC wrote:

I have to explain that post?

Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton, yet
these failures happened 5 years into Bush's administration and after a
severe cutback in federal infrastructure funding. I normally don't
respond to your posts because it appears you come from another planet.
But I wasn't going to let this one slip by.

Could it possibly be the cronies Shrub put in charge of FEMA? You have
to wonder how many other posts are filled with the likes of Heckuvajob
Brownie.

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.
However, that is the goal of Republicans. They say government doesn't
work, so they do their best not to make it work. It is a self
fulfilling prophecy.

wrote:
David Kaye wrote:
JC wrote:

I have to explain that post?

Yes. You blamed the New Orleans levee failures on Bill Clinton, yet
these failures happened 5 years into Bush's administration and after a
severe cutback in federal infrastructure funding. I normally don't
respond to your posts because it appears you come from another planet.
But I wasn't going to let this one slip by.

Could it possibly be the cronies Shrub put in charge of FEMA? You have
to wonder how many other posts are filled with the likes of Heckuvajob
Brownie.

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.
However, that is the goal of Republicans. They say government doesn't
work, so they do their best not to make it work. It is a self
fulfilling prophecy.

Now he's responsible for bacteria. Damn! I don't like the guy much, but
that's evil or something. Shut up and let the research scientists
conclude what happened, and early clues point to poor, pssibly criminal
farming practices and maybe waste water comtamination. Still they
pulled the products ASAP regardless, just like they pulled ALL THE
AIRPLANES FROM THE SKY September 11, 2001.

That part they get right.

Still they
pulled the products ASAP regardless, just like they pulled ALL THE
AIRPLANES FROM THE SKY September 11, 2001.
Not ALL the flights. The Saudis and the Bin Laudin family still got to
fly out of the USA on chartered planes.
phil

wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating. The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

Also, our local news media (this is a local or somewhat local story,
having taken place in the Salinas Valley), hasn't told people that
*all* they need to do is cook the spinach! Cook the spinach at at
least 150 degrees (160 to be safe) for 5 minutes, and that's all there
is to it. Or if people are still squeamish about it, bring the water
to a boil for a few minutes (212 degrees).

Why couldn't the local media cover this? It's not rocket science.
Hell, the local news media are better at covering rocket science...

David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating. The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

Also, our local news media (this is a local or somewhat local story,
having taken place in the Salinas Valley), hasn't told people that
*all* they need to do is cook the spinach! Cook the spinach at at
least 150 degrees (160 to be safe) for 5 minutes, and that's all there
is to it. Or if people are still squeamish about it, bring the water
to a boil for a few minutes (212 degrees).

Why couldn't the local media cover this? It's not rocket science.
Hell, the local news media are better at covering rocket science...

Yeah, RS costs money, RS is dangerous. We know.

How come we don't see 50,000 dead after not holding the lettuce at
Burger King?

David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating.

Perhaps. But look at the number of folks who walk out of a public
restroom without washing their hands... and the water and soap are
right there!

The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Sludge. Its use is common enough.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

That would imply guilt...

And saying that spinach comes from farms is called "profiling."

Also, our local news media (this is a local or somewhat local story,
having taken place in the Salinas Valley), hasn't told people that
*all* they need to do is cook the spinach! Cook the spinach at at
least 150 degrees (160 to be safe) for 5 minutes, and that's all there
is to it. Or if people are still squeamish about it, bring the water
to a boil for a few minutes (212 degrees).

Buy canned spinach

Why couldn't the local media cover this? It's not rocket science.
Hell, the local news media are better at covering rocket science...

Because rocket science problems can always be blamed on government.
Spinach problems have to be blamed on farmers, farm workers, or food
workers, though some will make it a government problem. Government is
always bad...

wrote:
David Kaye wrote:
wrote:

This E coli fiasco is a prime example of government that doesn't work.

How so? Farms take the cheap way out by providing only the barest of
essentials to their farmworkers. Many farms do not even have
conveniently located outhouses and places to wash the hands. It's
likely that the e coli outbreak came from a farmworker who didn't wash
his hands after defecating.

Perhaps. But look at the number of folks who walk out of a public
restroom without washing their hands... and the water and soap are
right there!

The other likely cause is using human or
animal waste as fertilizer, though it's unlikely because this is
frowned upon by agricultural inspectors.

Sludge. Its use is common enough.

Interesting that the company that grew the spinach is called "Natural
Selection Farms". Sounds like natural selection at play, definitely.

It would have been nice if the news media would have focused in on this
situation by finding out a little about farming. I watched some videos
of stories from KRON, KPIX, and CNN, and didn't see anything talking
about the *source* of the problem.

That would imply guilt...

And saying that spinach comes from farms is called "profiling."

It didn't come from the maternity ward...don't make a bunch of stupid
allegories!

Government is NOT always bad. They saved your ass just as they've done
millions of times in all the years of your misinformed life, and you
should give them some credit.