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Dee Flint wrote:
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Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came
closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.


As of last Friday, it had not been published in the Federal Register.

Thanks, Dee.

That means Dec 26 at the earliest. Effective date Jan 26 at the
earliest.

This
new Report and Order do not modify the "omnibus" R & O and stands
completely
on its own.

??

I thought it modifies the "omnibus" R&O by moving the automated data
segment on 80 meters to 3585-3600.

Whether that invokes a 60 day rule is another issue.


The way it reads sounds like it is being treated as a "new" ruling rather
than modifying the last R&O. But it is hard to say until it is published on
what they will do with the implementation date.

However, it could easily be 60 days from the announcement as it
may take up to 30 days to get published in the Federal Register and then
another 30 days for its implementation date.

Agreed.

In any event it's at least a month away. Maybe more.

73 de Jim, N2EY


However, I've got my VE team ready to handle extra applicants in Feb, Mar, &
Apr. It's better to have extra people on hand and not need them than to be
short.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee Flint wrote:
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Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
Robert Casey wrote:
Back a year or three, there was a thread asking for peoples'
predictions
on when the FCC would do no-code for all licenses. So who came
closest?
I know that I didn't.

Hello Robert,

I don't know if the Report and Order has been published in the Federal
Register
yet. The new rules cannot become effective until at least 30 days after
that.
I have been told that because the Report and Order modifies an earlier
one
(the "omnibus" R&O), the delay will be 60 days rather than 30, but I'm
not
sure if that is true.


As of last Friday, it had not been published in the Federal Register.

Thanks, Dee.

That means Dec 26 at the earliest. Effective date Jan 26 at the
earliest.

Every day it's not in the Federal Register, the effective date moves a
day....

This
new Report and Order do not modify the "omnibus" R & O and stands
completely
on its own.

??

I thought it modifies the "omnibus" R&O by moving the automated data
segment on 80 meters to 3585-3600.

Whether that invokes a 60 day rule is another issue.


The way it reads sounds like it is being treated as a "new" ruling rather
than modifying the last R&O. But it is hard to say until it is published on
what they will do with the implementation date.

Agreed.

I'd bet on 30 days, not 60.

However, it could easily be 60 days from the announcement as it
may take up to 30 days to get published in the Federal Register and then
another 30 days for its implementation date.

Agreed.

In any event it's at least a month away. Maybe more.

However, I've got my VE team ready to handle extra applicants in Feb, Mar, &
Apr. It's better to have extra people on hand and not need them than to be
short.

Excellent!

There may also be a rush of folks in the next few weeks who want to
upgrade or be licensed *before* the changes take place.

73 de Jim, N2EY

wrote:
...
There may also be a rush of folks in the next few weeks who want to
upgrade or be licensed *before* the changes take place.

73 de Jim, N2EY


May also be people who want to demonstrate they can swallow swords, pat
their bellies and rub their heads--at the same time!, play a kazoo, jump
rope, sing like 'ole blue eyes, roller skate, recite the gettysberg
address by heart, etc.

Busting a gut,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
wrote:
... There may also be a rush of folks in the next few weeks who want to
upgrade or be licensed *before* the changes take place.

73 de Jim, N2EY


May also be people who want to demonstrate they can swallow swords, pat
their bellies and rub their heads--at the same time!, play a kazoo, jump
rope, sing like 'ole blue eyes, roller skate, recite the gettysberg
address by heart, etc.

Busting a gut,
JS

Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John". There's
always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John". There's
always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket. Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

And, indeed, it could be stated that I am jealous of those who can tap
code at high speed. However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

And, indeed, it could be stated that I am jealous of those who can tap
code at high speed.

It could be.

However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting. I
learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket. I wasn't
going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license. Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now. I'll be enjoying it long
after code testing goes away.

Regards,
JS

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
...
Dave K8MN

May the unwashed masses of chicken banders forever overload your yagi
with massive bleed over and horrendous harmonics; may they forever coat
your garage doors and house siding with crudely scrawled 10-codes! Let
your children be taught cb-ebonics in school ...

straight face
Regards,
JS

From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg
address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk.

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over
a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES
have CORRECT merit. That it bugs the **** out of you is
just too band, ainit? :-)

Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore."

If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on
you. It ain't no crime.

Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]
Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and
nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors
and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers
began with morsemanship because that's all they had back
in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers
tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those
are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it).
Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago.


However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting.

Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.
My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't
teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then.
The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for
military communications decades ago...

I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket.

"Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves? See a performance
of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman? To
see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves)
up against a no-coder? :-)

I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right
from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year).
Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of
amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the
work.

I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license.

Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-)

Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now.

How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now
you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers
wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges!

So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?"

I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away.

Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with
the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse!

["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he
has assumed room temperature... :-)

The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold,
dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government
officials...

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