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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
John Smith I wrote:
wrote: ... There may also be a rush of folks in the next few weeks who want to upgrade or be licensed *before* the changes take place. 73 de Jim, N2EY May also be people who want to demonstrate they can swallow swords, pat their bellies and rub their heads--at the same time!, play a kazoo, jump rope, sing like 'ole blue eyes, roller skate, recite the gettysberg address by heart, etc. Busting a gut, JS Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John". There's always someone who is up for a challenge. "Gettysburg" Address, "John". Dave K8MN |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John". There's always someone who is up for a challenge. "Gettysburg" Address, "John". Dave K8MN And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist one in gaining an amateur ticket. Finally, CW is consigned to the trash heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ... And, indeed, it could be stated that I am jealous of those who can tap code at high speed. However, it felt as if I was just learning it to get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do it just to get the dern ticket!!! Regards, JS |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John". There's always someone who is up for a challenge. "Gettysburg" Address, "John". Dave K8MN And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist one in gaining an amateur ticket. Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing, shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents. Finally, CW is consigned to the trash heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ... Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs. And, indeed, it could be stated that I am jealous of those who can tap code at high speed. It could be. However, it felt as if I was just learning it to get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do it just to get the dern ticket!!! Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting. I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket. I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio license. Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've been enjoying its use for over 43 years now. I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away. Regards, JS Dave K8MN |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
Dave Heil wrote:
... Dave K8MN May the unwashed masses of chicken banders forever overload your yagi with massive bleed over and horrendous harmonics; may they forever coat your garage doors and house siding with crudely scrawled 10-codes! Let your children be taught cb-ebonics in school ... straight face Regards, JS |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: ... Dave K8MN May the unwashed masses of chicken banders forever overload your yagi with massive bleed over and horrendous harmonics; may they forever coat your garage doors and house siding with crudely scrawled 10-codes! Let your children be taught cb-ebonics in school ... Which yagi? Most of 'em see the hides of other notorious CB scofflaws hanging on the side of the barn and give this place a wide berth. I heard a couple of vanity callsigned newbies on 160m SSB last night. They were discussing whether the low inverted vee or the low dipole of one of them was the better antenna for topband. I lump these characters with the guys who are using a tuner through 150 feet of coaxial cable to load a 75 meter dipole on 10m. They really don't know what they're missing. Dave K8MN |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am
John Smith I wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John". There's always someone who is up for a challenge. "Gettysburg" Address, "John". Dave K8MN You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk. And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist one in gaining an amateur ticket. Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing, shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents. To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES have CORRECT merit. That it bugs the **** out of you is just too band, ainit? :-) Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore." If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on you. It ain't no crime. Finally, CW is consigned to the trash heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ... Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs. Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...? You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode! Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none] Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers began with morsemanship because that's all they had back in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it). Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago. However, it felt as if I was just learning it to get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do it just to get the dern ticket!!! Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting. Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts. My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with and destroying the enemy." shrug Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then. The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for military communications decades ago... I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket. "Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves? See a performance of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman? To see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves) up against a no-coder? :-) I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972, 1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year). Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the work. I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license? I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio license. Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-) Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his refusual to recognize others having a different opinion than his godly wisdom... Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've been enjoying its use for over 43 years now. How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges! So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?" I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away. Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse! ["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."] I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he has assumed room temperature... :-) The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold, dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government officials... 5329, |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
Dave Heil wrote:
... I'd say this is a good time for all the good 'ole boys to remain silent, just as some are showing the intelligence and doing. The FCC made it clear that they recognize that code was being used as a method to control the numbers of amateurs allowed 'in.' Seems as if someone in the FCC even found the male organs big enough to face up to the "crimes" which were being committed against "John Doe Citizen" in depriving of access to radio with insanity. It is funny. It now stands obvious, selfish and self-centered hams became to believe the lies which they were spouting to maintain such a corrupt scheme, now they have grown blind and spout on making fools of themselves. Even, going to the lengths to argue against stone cold logic--nothing short of amazing. It just goes to show you the dangers, act like an idiot long enough and you become one! JS |
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So who won the "when does NoCode happen" pool?
From: Dave Heil on Fri, Dec 29 2006 7:33 am
wrote: From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am John Smith I wrote: Dave Heil wrote: I submit that many entered the "Big Leagues of HF Radio" about the same time as you. You are but one of them. You betcha, but, as far as I can find, the ONLY one who posted a photo essay (20 pages worth) about it on the Internet. See: http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...y/My3Years.pdf So, how do you feel that a station with 40+ transmitters all at 1 KW MINIMUM RF output on HF is "NOT Big Time?" How do you feel over 200,000 messages per month sent is "NOT Big Time?" How do you feel that a Signal Battalion directly attached to an area headquarters is "NOT Big Time?" Kiss my yes. Wow, you think being IN the Department of State comms "IS" a bigger time? Of course you do. ANYTHING you do is (in your words here) bigger and better than what anyone else in here has done, ever... You are the only one of them comparing learning the Morse Code to an "AUTISTIC TALENT". Sorry, sweetums, but I'm the SECOND one intimating that the "talent" is so. Have you forgetten the words of "John Smith" (another Angeleno) so quickly? Of course you will. You ALWAYS try to "blame" someone else as "being in error" whenever they disagree with you. As with so many other things you've written here, you are in error. Hey, Davie boy, in the immortal words of the ByteBrothers, * F * Y * D * I * T * M * ! Typing in capital letters and adding a "Tsk, tsk" here and there don't make your views true. Being the archtypical Prussian pedantic literalist who only "obeys orders" of directives from the ARRL does NOT make YOU "true," sweetie. You are one HUMORLESS buzzard whose skin is SO thin that it rivals the shaving thickness from a microtome output. Leonard, I have little doubt that once all of the smoke clears away, you'll still be attempting to open the box containing your Extra Class amateur radio license. So, other than you and Jimmie Noserve, who gives a ****? I got my PROFESSIONAL radio operator license in 1956 and used it. I got my (no test whatsoever) CB license in 1959 and used it. I got my COMMERCIAL PLMRS station license in the 80s (as co-owner but responsible for technical operation) and used it. Are you going to say that an AMATEUR radio license is "more Big Time" than what I've gotten already? That I MUST have a ham license from the FCC to prove my strength, force, agility, and intelligence MORE than a whole career IN the radio-electronics industry?!? Of course you do! Anyone who has done less than you is always the lesser in your comments. * F * Y * D * I * T * M * ! If you want to wave a metaphor, make certain that it is a valid one. Oh! YOU are the Guardian of English as she are wrote? Of course you are! You ALWAYS "correct" others' "mistakes" since they are always lesser than YOU. Tsk, you should be writing in Hunnish...of which you claimed to be a Master once in another of your petulant, ****ed-off rants at me. :-) * F * Y * D * I * T * M * ! Finally, CW is consigned to the trash heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ... Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs. Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...? Your juvenile behavior is showing, Leonard. Tsk, tsk, the pedantic Prussian literalist, in his smug arrogance, cannot recognize SARCASM? You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode! If that's what you come away with after reading a sentence which includes the words "by radio amateurs", so be it. Poor baby, unable to recognize SARCASM and you start in on another fabricated finger-pointing? "Bad form, old man." Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none] It is then peculiar that I'm still hearing aviation beacons which use Morse Code. What, the old pre-WW2 "A-N" beacons on LF? Good grief, Snoopy, those aren't being used by Real pilots these days. If you mean VOR or ILS with the periodic morse code tone identifier, those ARE being used in civil aviation. But, the VOR isn't called a "beacon" and the ILS certainly isn't one of those. The 75 MHz marker beacons are "beacons" but they do NOT have any morse identifier, just a constant AM tone denoting Outer, Middle, or Inner beacon. Your AMATEUR license does NOT authorize you to transmit in the Aviation Radio Services. I hear utility stations in the HF bands using Morse Code for two way communication. Then feel free to listen to those "utility stations" and enjoy what they have to say, if anything comprehensible to you. Your AMATEUR license doesn't authorize you to transmit outside the HF amateur bands. That aside, I have little interest in the modes other radio services use. Of course you don't...you are a smug, arrogant Extra class AMATEUR. You don't seem to give a **** about "the pool of trained operators" (in amateur radio) for national needs, only your own. Since morse code is all but DEAD in all other US radio services, that "pool of trained" morsemen is so much ARRL propaganda. The rest of the radio world just does NOT need morsemen. Try...TRY to get used to it. What's it to you, Len? NOTHING "in it" for me, pedantic Prussian literalist. It's just a thing to MODERNIZE a HOBBY radio activity. Most of the other radio services in the USA have been modernized, but amateur radio has been (mostly) stuck in the standards and practices of the 1930s. You aren't a radio amateur and you aren't likely to be one. Hey, pedantic Prussian literalist, go auto-fornicate. I MIGHT get an amateur radio license later and I MIGHT NOT. It's NOT up to YOU to decide whether I can or can't. Don't let your smug, arrogant Prussian attitude go to far like you did with sentence. The US amateur radio regulation morse code test was about GETTING INTO amateur radio via authorized licensing. Since you've been licensed as an AMATEUR since your teen years, have you spent all your AMATEUR radio time GETTING INTO amateur radio? I don't think so. No matter, pedantic Prussian literalist, the FCC *HAS* *DECIDED* to END US amateur radio licensing morse code TESTING. Gone, finito, adieu, bye-bye to it as soon as the R&O is published in the Federal Register giving the legal END to that testing. ... I made a number of 160m contacts last night with Nordic and Russian radio amateurs. We used CW. I do hope that's okay with you. Perhaps we should have thought to check. You can do anything LEGAL that you want. It's not up to me to DICTATE what others do or don't do, what opinions one "should have" or "should not have." You might reflect on the latter since you are ALWAYS "telling me" what attitudes I "should have." * F * Y * D * I * T * M * ! BTW, did any of those Nordic and Russian amateurs have French amateur radio licenses too? Did you check THEIR authorized operating privileges? No one involved had tossed the Morse Code into any dumpster. The FCC *IS* going to toss morse code TESTING in the big federal dumpster. They already announced it. All it takes is to add the final effective date and publish that in the Federal Register. [ain't that sumthin' tho?] Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts. I have no trouble believing that. Tsk, you ALWAYS have "trouble believing" whatever I write, yet you make a Big thing of "believability" when you see some opening to "win" message points. :-) My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with and destroying the enemy." shrug My Cub Scout and Boy Scout uniforms were very real. One could see and touch them. We didn't receive any instructions on closing with and destroying any enemy. No Primary Duty of soldiering? Tsk, tsk, the Scouts were originally formed to BE devoted to uniforms, organization, survival in the wilderness just like the troops of the Boer War. Scouting has since changed to be more of a social organization with lots of fundamental skills that CAN be gained (but are not absolutely required). Come to think of it, I never received any instructions from the Air Force about my duty to close with and destroy any enemies. Tsk, try to be honest about "your time" in the USAF. Enlisted specialists were NOT taught-trained-exercised as land soldiers. During the 1960s. I've seen too many of them of the 50s and 60s to believe they could ever soldier in the field. I put you down as just another braggart REMF who wants to IMPLY he was "in combat" but never was. Just like Robesin and his "seven hostile actions." I.e., bull****. In your time in the Army, did you ever close with and/or destroy any enemy, Len? No, I was never "closing with or destroying any enemy" from March 1952 through February 1956. What's it to you, Heil? I voluntarily enlisted in the US Army in March 1952 and didn't get assigned to the Far East until January 1953. "Permanent truce" in Korea was established in July 1953. Did you expect me to violate the UCMJ and go AWOL to Korea in order to "fight?" I stayed where assigned by orders, did my duty. That's all explained in my photo essay mentioned earlier. I have NO problem with explaining what I did and what I worked on and when in Japan during my Army enlistement. But, YOU have a great deal of "trouble" is going into ANY detail about exactly what you did and where. Typical REMF "military career explanation" just like the Robesin. Yes, I was assigned to a REAR AREA. You could label me as a "RE-F" since my sexual partners hadn't - to the best of my knowledge - been mothers yet. But, that REAR AREA duty that was mine involved HIGH FREQUENCY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS...and VHF, UHF, and microwave radio communications. Concentration was on transmitters but also involved receivers. I won't bother asking the pedantic Prussian literalist what HE did "during the war" as another REMF. He hasn't said and I don't think he will ever say what it was. Typical of the smug, arrogant "I am always better than you extra class." ... I never received any Morse Code training in the Air Force either, though I passed a Morse Code receiving test as a part of my Bypassed Specialist exams. That's what you SAY but somehow it rings false and always has. USAF enlisted 'specialists" of the 50s and 60s were NOT some kind of radio-electronics whizzes in the REAR AREAS. Most of the enlisted ranks were simply trying to get OUT of being soldiers on land where the enemy was trying to kill them. Tell us all about the strong, mighty, virile warriors of the USAF enlisted ranks of the 50s and 60s and how they conquered the (radio) airwaves then? By the time of the ending of the draft in 1973, the USAF had to smarten-up and start to make the enlisted ranks be a lot better than the draft-dodging dummies doing their time before then. As a civilian engineer in the 60s through now, I've seen the USAF improve their technical smarts a great deal. But, before the end of the draft, the USAF enlisted smarts were akin to the AMATEUR hobbyist level of experience in their 'specialties." That's just how it was, Vietnam REMF. I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972, 1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug You don't have to learn any now. Riiiight. Between 1952 and time now I NEVER had to learn or use morse code as a PROFESSIONAL *OR* as a hobbyist. That's a 54-year span of time. That's operating a transmitter LEGALLY in the EM spectrum from VLF to about 25 GHz, all the decade-wide sections of the spectrum. Let's call it one more thing that I know and that you don't. Let's call it the *ONLY* thing in radio-electronics that You "know more than I"...as a MORSEMAN on the AMATEUR bands, using a morse code that has been relatively unchanged since 1844 (162 years ago). That "Extra right out of the box" has certainly given you more trouble, hasn't it? No "trouble" at all. I haven't pursued it in the last six years. I lost interest in getting a legal amateur radio license four decades ago. Who needed morse code in the 1960s? Only the Recreationists trying to copy the "radio pioneering of the 1920s and 1930s using an already out-of- date mode. Hardly any sort of "advancing the state of the communications art" was it? Many of us have more experience than you in commercial, military or governmental HF radio operations. Live with it. News Flash, pedantic Prussian: That "us" does NOT include YOU. Besides, to toss the literalist stuff right back in your face, "commercial, military or governmental HF radio operations" is NOT AMATEUR RADIO! :-) Live with THAT! :-) I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license? Yes, Len, it could have. How in the HELL do YOU know? You really need to download my photo essay and examine what was pictured and what I wrote. Tell us all about the SEMICONDUCTOR-based equipment that ham radio was using in the 1950s and how "I could have learned from (getting a ham license)" back then? You speak BULL****. Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his refusual to recognize others having a different opinion than his godly wisdom... You don't react well to folks who don't share your opinions, Len. Google and the FCC electronics records are loaded with examples of how you react. Google archives are LOADED WITH EXAMPLES of "how badly YOU react" to those that don't meet your versions of What Should Be in US amateur radio. Pedantic Prussianism, literally quoted from the publications of the ARRL. My correspondence with the FCC is a matter of public record and are strongly worded AGAINST morse code testing. In those public records (which include the "electronic" archives... actually magnetic archives) you will find that I do NOT think the FCC's rulings should be to appease the emotional hunger of the rabid amateur morsemen determined to keep code testing forever and ever. Nobody can tell Big Leonard what to do. YES they can...and DO. You've been trying to do it for years! When the Morse Code exam is removed, you'll still be trying to open the box holding that Extra ticket. What "box?" What "ticket?" I've acquired three other FCC licenses in my time and still pursue a hobby of electronics and radio in retirement. I am secure in what I am and what I know. I've made a good living in radio-electronics over the last half century and don't need more "licenses." I sure as hell don't need to take up an on-off code "skill" that's been around for 162 years...and then DROPPED by ALL other radio services (if they ever considered morse code to begin with)! My object in here was to advocate the ELIMINATION of the code exam. Except for the legal posting in the Federal Register, THAT ELIMINATION HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED! Learn to live with it. ["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."] How many? Is this quote another of your factual errors? Note the spelling of the word DEARTH. That's called a play on words. A bit of HUMOR, a subject that has eluded your correspondence in here. Humorless pedantic Prussian literalists have GREAT difficulty with any sort of humor or even whimsy. Try to accept that. The no-code-test advocates aren't all hidebound to keep code testing forever and ever, always marching in ranks to the morse drumbeat under the direction of the ARRL old folks. But, the humorless pedantic Prussian literalist will be always on the lookout for "errors" and chastize those who don't think as He does...then berate them for not being as good as He is. FCC 06-178 is almost LAW. That's a fact of amateur radio life for those seeking a hobby radio activity. Too bad for the adamant pro-coders busy sneering and insulting all the no-coders. But, times change, new laws will come in to change the lives of some. The pro-coders have had their emotional sustenance long enough. Now its time for THEM to Get Off Federal Welfare and be good hobbyists of modern times. David, to you as always * F * Y * D * I * T * M * ! 8.544, |
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