John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

And, indeed, it could be stated that I am jealous of those who can tap
code at high speed.

It could be.

However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting. I
learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket. I wasn't
going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license. Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now. I'll be enjoying it long
after code testing goes away.

Regards,
JS

Dave K8MN

Dave Heil wrote:
...
Dave K8MN

May the unwashed masses of chicken banders forever overload your yagi
with massive bleed over and horrendous harmonics; may they forever coat
your garage doors and house siding with crudely scrawled 10-codes! Let
your children be taught cb-ebonics in school ...

straight face
Regards,
JS

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
...
Dave K8MN

May the unwashed masses of chicken banders forever overload your yagi
with massive bleed over and horrendous harmonics; may they forever coat
your garage doors and house siding with crudely scrawled 10-codes! Let
your children be taught cb-ebonics in school ...

Which yagi?

Most of 'em see the hides of other notorious CB scofflaws hanging on the
side of the barn and give this place a wide berth.

I heard a couple of vanity callsigned newbies on 160m SSB last night.
They were discussing whether the low inverted vee or the low dipole of
one of them was the better antenna for topband. I lump these characters
with the guys who are using a tuner through 150 feet of coaxial cable to
load a 75 meter dipole on 10m. They really don't know what they're missing.

Dave K8MN

From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".

Dave K8MN

You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg
address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk.

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over
a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES
have CORRECT merit. That it bugs the **** out of you is
just too band, ainit? :-)

Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore."

If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on
you. It ain't no crime.

Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]
Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and
nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors
and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers
began with morsemanship because that's all they had back
in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers
tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those
are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it).
Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago.


However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting.

Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.
My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't
teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then.
The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for
military communications decades ago...

I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket.

"Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves? See a performance
of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman? To
see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves)
up against a no-coder? :-)

I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right
from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year).
Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of
amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the
work.

I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license.

Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-)

Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now.

How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now
you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers
wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges!

So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?"

I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away.

Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with
the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse!

["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he
has assumed room temperature... :-)

The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold,
dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government
officials...

5329,

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am

John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
Unfortunately, none of those things will help in obtaining an amateur
radio license of any kind. I'm likewise busting a gut, "John".
There's always someone who is up for a challenge.

"Gettysburg" Address, "John".
Dave K8MN

You didn't give the street or house number of that Gettysburg
address. How could you miss that? Tsk, tsk.

The Gettysburg Address is not the same as a Gettysburg address, poor
baby. Tskity tasket.

And, FINALLY, neither will an autistic talent like "code tapping" assist
one in gaining an amateur ticket.

Neither learning or using the Morse Code has ever been an "autistic
talent" in any way, "John". It is a developed skill, like typing,
shooting, batting, throwing or a myriad of other talents.

To those of us who entered the Big Leagues of HF Radio over
a half century ago, the "AUTISTIC TALENT" metaphor DOES
have CORRECT merit.

I submit that many entered the "Big Leagues of HF Radio" about the same
time as you. You are but one of them. You are the only one of them
comparing learning the Morse Code to an "AUTISTIC TALENT". As with so
many other things you've written here, you are in error. Typing in
capital letters and adding a "Tsk, tsk" here and there don't make your
views true.

That it bugs the **** out of you is
just too band, ainit? :-)

Leonard, I have little doubt that once all of the smoke clears away,
you'll still be attempting to open the box containing your Extra Class
amateur radio license.

Note: "Metaphor" is NOT the same as "semaphore."

....nor is "piccolo" the same as "pickle loaf".

If you don't like others waving a metaphor around, TS on
you. It ain't no crime.

If you want to wave a metaphor, make certain that it is a valid one.


Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...
Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

Your juvenile behavior is showing, Leonard.

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

If that's what you come away with after reading a sentence which
includes the words "by radio amateurs", so be it.

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]

It is then peculiar that I'm still hearing aviation beacons which use
Morse Code. I hear utility stations in the HF bands using Morse Code
for two way communication. That aside, I have little interest in the
modes other radio services use. I'm concerned with those which are used
in the service in which I am an active participant, amateur radio.

What's it to you, Len? Amateur radio still uses Morse Code. You aren't
a radio amateur and you aren't likely to be one.

Maritime radio was the first biggie user of radio and
nowadays they use Voice and Data...Voice on VHF in harbors
and inland waterways, on HF SSB on open ocean. Maritimers
began with morsemanship because that's all they had back
in the prehistory of radio. That changed. Maritimers
tossed morsemanship in the trash heap, the dumpster (those
are more metaphors, Dave, don't get all hissy fit on it).
Even the US CG stopped monitoring 500 KHz years ago.

None of those things are amateur radio. I made a number of 160m
contacts last night with Nordic and Russian radio amateurs. We used CW.
I do hope that's okay with you. Perhaps we should have thought to
check. No one involved had tossed the Morse Code into any dumpster.


However, it felt as if I was just learning it to
get the ticket, would immediately attempt to forget it after, would
certainly NEVER use it, and was darn "pi$$ed off" at being forced to do
it just to get the dern ticket!!!

Perhaps you just needed an attitude adjustment, "John". I learned it in
its most fundamental form, by the sound of each letter, in Scouting.

Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.

I have no trouble believing that.

My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

My Cub Scout and Boy Scout uniforms were very real. One could see and
touch them. We didn't receive any instructions on closing with and
destroying any enemy.

Come to think of it, I never received any instructions from the Air
Force about my duty to close with and destroy any enemies. In your time
in the Army, did you ever close with and/or destroy any enemy, Len? I'd
love to have you tell that story about what it is like to undergo an
artillery barrage. Did that really happen to you or did you make it up?

Never learned any morsemanship in the Army...they weren't
teaching it to anyone but Field Radio MOS students then.

That's good, Len. I never received any Morse Code training in the Air
Force either, though I passed a Morse Code receiving test as a part of
my Bypassed Specialist exams.

The US Military dropped morsemanship requirements for
military communications decades ago...

What has that to do with amateur radio, Len? I'm no longer in the
military. Are you?

I learned higher speeds just in order to get an amateur ticket.

"Ticket?" To what? Ride the airwaves?

You know, Leonard, that is exactly what it was.

See a performance
of some "No kids, no lids, no space cadet" morseman?

One could be treated to that by just tuning a receiver. No license was
required. The W2 who uttered those now-famous words was a phone man.

To
see a sporting event featuring Nancy Kott (in golden gloves)
up against a no-coder? :-)

If you'd sign for the bout, I'd pay to see it.

I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

You don't have to learn any now. Let's call it one more thing that I
know and that you don't.

I got a Commercial radio operator license (First Class right
from the start) in 1956...a half century ago (plus a half year).

That "Extra right out of the box" has certainly given you more trouble,
hasn't it?

Helped get me started in Real radio (not with a bunch of
amateurs), earning a living and having lots of fun doing the
work.

Many of us have more experience than you in commercial, military or
governmental HF radio operations. Live with it.

I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

Yes, Len, it could have.

I wasn't going to let anything stand in the way of my obtaining an amateur radio
license.

Wow! Big Dave doesn't let ANYTHING stand in HIS way! :-)

No, Len, I don't. Now what?

Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

You don't react well to folks who don't share your opinions, Len.
Google and the FCC electronics records are loaded with examples of how
you react.

Finally, I used it, became better at it and enjoyed it. I've
been enjoying its use for over 43 years now.

How lovely! Something (finally) you are good at...and now
you want to keep forcing the code test on ALL newcomers
wanting below-30-MHz operating privileges!

Nobody can tell Big Leonard what to do. When the Morse Code exam is
removed, you'll still be trying to open the box holding that Extra ticket.

So, whatever YOU enjoy is what EVERYONE ELSE should "enjoy?"

Zoning changes.

I'll be enjoying it long after code testing goes away.

Again, how lovely! Mighty Macho Morseman rides again with
the Four Morsemen of the Apocalypse!

Whether you think it lovely or not, it is fact. Live with it.

["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

How many? Is this quote another of your factual errors?

I'll bet Big Dave will be "enjoying" morse long after he
has assumed room temperature... :-)

That isn't possible, Len. The odds are that I'll be enjoying after you
have achieved room temperature.

The Coroner will have to pry the code key from his cold,
dead fingers. Tsk, all that work imposed on government
officials...

....while all you'll have is empty, cold, dead fingers.

5329,

Dave Heil wrote:
...

I'd say this is a good time for all the good 'ole boys to remain silent,
just as some are showing the intelligence and doing.

The FCC made it clear that they recognize that code was being used as a
method to control the numbers of amateurs allowed 'in.' Seems as if
someone in the FCC even found the male organs big enough to face up to
the "crimes" which were being committed against "John Doe Citizen" in
depriving of access to radio with insanity.

It is funny. It now stands obvious, selfish and self-centered hams
became to believe the lies which they were spouting to maintain such a
corrupt scheme, now they have grown blind and spout on making fools of
themselves. Even, going to the lengths to argue against stone cold
logic--nothing short of amazing.

It just goes to show you the dangers, act like an idiot long enough and
you become one!

JS

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dave Heil wrote:
...

I'd say this is a good time for all the good 'ole boys to remain silent,
just as some are showing the intelligence and doing.

The FCC made it clear that they recognize that code was being used as a
method to control the numbers of amateurs allowed 'in.' Seems as if
someone in the FCC even found the male organs big enough to face up to the
"crimes" which were being committed against "John Doe Citizen" in
depriving of access to radio with insanity.

It is funny. It now stands obvious, selfish and self-centered hams became
to believe the lies which they were spouting to maintain such a corrupt
scheme, now they have grown blind and spout on making fools of themselves.
Even, going to the lengths to argue against stone cold logic--nothing
short of amazing.

It just goes to show you the dangers, act like an idiot long enough and
you become one!

JS

Both sides of the argument have hurt ham radio. Both sides told major lies.
Those who said code was a "lid filter, "right of passage", etc were wrong.
Those who maintained code was too hard for the average person, outmoded,
being used to control the numbers, etc were wrong. BOTH SIDES played to
emotionalism.

It will take a lot of work to repair the damage caused by those on both
sides who used false arguments.

Dee, N8UZE

From: Dave Heil on Fri, Dec 29 2006 7:33 am

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Wed, Dec 27 2006 10:22 am
John Smith I wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:

I submit that many entered the "Big Leagues of HF Radio" about the same
time as you. You are but one of them.

You betcha, but, as far as I can find, the ONLY one who
posted a photo essay (20 pages worth) about it on the
Internet. See:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...y/My3Years.pdf

So, how do you feel that a station with 40+ transmitters
all at 1 KW MINIMUM RF output on HF is "NOT Big Time?"
How do you feel over 200,000 messages per month sent is
"NOT Big Time?" How do you feel that a Signal Battalion
directly attached to an area headquarters is "NOT Big
Time?" Kiss my yes.

Wow, you think being IN the Department of State comms "IS"
a bigger time? Of course you do. ANYTHING you do is
(in your words here) bigger and better than what anyone
else in here has done, ever...

You are the only one of them
comparing learning the Morse Code to an "AUTISTIC TALENT".

Sorry, sweetums, but I'm the SECOND one intimating that
the "talent" is so. Have you forgetten the words of "John
Smith" (another Angeleno) so quickly? Of course you will.
You ALWAYS try to "blame" someone else as "being in error"
whenever they disagree with you.

As with so many other things you've written here, you are in error.

Hey, Davie boy, in the immortal words of the ByteBrothers,
* F * Y * D * I * T * M * !

Typing in
capital letters and adding a "Tsk, tsk" here and there don't make your
views true.

Being the archtypical Prussian pedantic literalist who
only "obeys orders" of directives from the ARRL does NOT
make YOU "true," sweetie.

You are one HUMORLESS buzzard whose skin is SO thin that
it rivals the shaving thickness from a microtome output.


Leonard, I have little doubt that once all of the smoke clears away,
you'll still be attempting to open the box containing your Extra Class
amateur radio license.

So, other than you and Jimmie Noserve, who gives a ****?

I got my PROFESSIONAL radio operator license in 1956 and
used it. I got my (no test whatsoever) CB license in
1959 and used it. I got my COMMERCIAL PLMRS station
license in the 80s (as co-owner but responsible for
technical operation) and used it.

Are you going to say that an AMATEUR radio license is
"more Big Time" than what I've gotten already? That I
MUST have a ham license from the FCC to prove my strength,
force, agility, and intelligence MORE than a whole career
IN the radio-electronics industry?!?

Of course you do! Anyone who has done less than you is
always the lesser in your comments.

* F * Y * D * I * T * M * !


If you want to wave a metaphor, make certain that it is a valid one.

Oh! YOU are the Guardian of English as she are wrote?

Of course you are! You ALWAYS "correct" others' "mistakes"
since they are always lesser than YOU.

Tsk, you should be writing in Hunnish...of which you claimed
to be a Master once in another of your petulant, ****ed-off
rants at me. :-)

* F * Y * D * I * T * M * !


Finally, CW is consigned to the trash
heap with sword swallowing--CW, a skill whose time has come, and gone ...

Sorry, "John", Morse Code is not being consigned to any trash heap. It
is used daily in making thousands of contacts by radio amateurs.

Really? I thought RADIOS were needed first...?

Your juvenile behavior is showing, Leonard.

Tsk, tsk, the pedantic Prussian literalist, in his smug
arrogance, cannot recognize SARCASM?

You mean that ALL one needs is closing and opening a circuit
in the proper morse manner? Wow! What a mode!

If that's what you come away with after reading a sentence which
includes the words "by radio amateurs", so be it.

Poor baby, unable to recognize SARCASM and you start in on
another fabricated finger-pointing? "Bad form, old man."

Tell us what OTHER radio services still use morse code for
communications. [that should be easy...there ain't none]

It is then peculiar that I'm still hearing aviation beacons which use
Morse Code.

What, the old pre-WW2 "A-N" beacons on LF? Good grief,
Snoopy, those aren't being used by Real pilots these days.

If you mean VOR or ILS with the periodic morse code tone
identifier, those ARE being used in civil aviation. But,
the VOR isn't called a "beacon" and the ILS certainly isn't
one of those. The 75 MHz marker beacons are "beacons" but
they do NOT have any morse identifier, just a constant AM
tone denoting Outer, Middle, or Inner beacon.

Your AMATEUR license does NOT authorize you to transmit in
the Aviation Radio Services.

I hear utility stations in the HF bands using Morse Code
for two way communication.

Then feel free to listen to those "utility stations" and
enjoy what they have to say, if anything comprehensible to
you. Your AMATEUR license doesn't authorize you to transmit
outside the HF amateur bands.

That aside, I have little interest in the
modes other radio services use.

Of course you don't...you are a smug, arrogant Extra class
AMATEUR.

You don't seem to give a **** about "the pool of trained
operators" (in amateur radio) for national needs, only
your own. Since morse code is all but DEAD in all other
US radio services, that "pool of trained" morsemen is so
much ARRL propaganda. The rest of the radio world just
does NOT need morsemen. Try...TRY to get used to it.

What's it to you, Len?

NOTHING "in it" for me, pedantic Prussian literalist. It's
just a thing to MODERNIZE a HOBBY radio activity. Most of the
other radio services in the USA have been modernized, but
amateur radio has been (mostly) stuck in the standards and
practices of the 1930s.

You aren't a radio amateur and you aren't likely to be one.

Hey, pedantic Prussian literalist, go auto-fornicate.

I MIGHT get an amateur radio license later and I MIGHT NOT.
It's NOT up to YOU to decide whether I can or can't.
Don't let your smug, arrogant Prussian attitude go to far
like you did with sentence.

The US amateur radio regulation morse code test was about
GETTING INTO amateur radio via authorized licensing.

Since you've been licensed as an AMATEUR since your teen
years, have you spent all your AMATEUR radio time GETTING
INTO amateur radio? I don't think so.

No matter, pedantic Prussian literalist, the FCC *HAS*
*DECIDED* to END US amateur radio licensing morse code
TESTING. Gone, finito, adieu, bye-bye to it as soon as
the R&O is published in the Federal Register giving the
legal END to that testing.

... I made a number of 160m
contacts last night with Nordic and Russian radio amateurs. We used CW.
I do hope that's okay with you. Perhaps we should have thought to
check.

You can do anything LEGAL that you want. It's not up to me
to DICTATE what others do or don't do, what opinions one
"should have" or "should not have." You might reflect on
the latter since you are ALWAYS "telling me" what attitudes
I "should have." * F * Y * D * I * T * M * !

BTW, did any of those Nordic and Russian amateurs have French
amateur radio licenses too? Did you check THEIR authorized
operating privileges?

No one involved had tossed the Morse Code into any dumpster.

The FCC *IS* going to toss morse code TESTING in the big
federal dumpster. They already announced it. All it takes
is to add the final effective date and publish that in the
Federal Register. [ain't that sumthin' tho?]


Wow! In Scouting! Oh, my, I was never in the Scouts.

I have no trouble believing that.

Tsk, you ALWAYS have "trouble believing" whatever I write,
yet you make a Big thing of "believability" when you see
some opening to "win" message points. :-)

My uniform was REAL and the first duty was "closing with
and destroying the enemy." shrug

My Cub Scout and Boy Scout uniforms were very real. One could see and
touch them. We didn't receive any instructions on closing with and
destroying any enemy.

No Primary Duty of soldiering? Tsk, tsk, the Scouts were
originally formed to BE devoted to uniforms, organization,
survival in the wilderness just like the troops of the Boer
War. Scouting has since changed to be more of a social
organization with lots of fundamental skills that CAN be
gained (but are not absolutely required).

Come to think of it, I never received any instructions from the Air
Force about my duty to close with and destroy any enemies.

Tsk, try to be honest about "your time" in the USAF. Enlisted
specialists were NOT taught-trained-exercised as land soldiers.
During the 1960s. I've seen too many of them of the 50s and
60s to believe they could ever soldier in the field.

I put you down as just another braggart REMF who wants to
IMPLY he was "in combat" but never was. Just like Robesin
and his "seven hostile actions." I.e., bull****.

In your time
in the Army, did you ever close with and/or destroy any enemy, Len?

No, I was never "closing with or destroying any enemy" from
March 1952 through February 1956. What's it to you, Heil?

I voluntarily enlisted in the US Army in March 1952 and
didn't get assigned to the Far East until January 1953.
"Permanent truce" in Korea was established in July 1953.
Did you expect me to violate the UCMJ and go AWOL to Korea
in order to "fight?"

I stayed where assigned by orders, did my duty. That's all
explained in my photo essay mentioned earlier. I have NO
problem with explaining what I did and what I worked on and
when in Japan during my Army enlistement. But, YOU have a
great deal of "trouble" is going into ANY detail about
exactly what you did and where. Typical REMF "military
career explanation" just like the Robesin.

Yes, I was assigned to a REAR AREA. You could label me as
a "RE-F" since my sexual partners hadn't - to the best of my
knowledge - been mothers yet. But, that REAR AREA duty that
was mine involved HIGH FREQUENCY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS...and
VHF, UHF, and microwave radio communications. Concentration
was on transmitters but also involved receivers.

I won't bother asking the pedantic Prussian literalist what
HE did "during the war" as another REMF. He hasn't said and
I don't think he will ever say what it was. Typical of the
smug, arrogant "I am always better than you extra class."

... I never received any Morse Code training in the Air
Force either, though I passed a Morse Code receiving test as a part of
my Bypassed Specialist exams.

That's what you SAY but somehow it rings false and always has.
USAF enlisted 'specialists" of the 50s and 60s were NOT some
kind of radio-electronics whizzes in the REAR AREAS. Most
of the enlisted ranks were simply trying to get OUT of being
soldiers on land where the enemy was trying to kill them.

Tell us all about the strong, mighty, virile warriors of
the USAF enlisted ranks of the 50s and 60s and how they
conquered the (radio) airwaves then? By the time of the
ending of the draft in 1973, the USAF had to smarten-up
and start to make the enlisted ranks be a lot better than
the draft-dodging dummies doing their time before then.
As a civilian engineer in the 60s through now, I've seen
the USAF improve their technical smarts a great deal.
But, before the end of the draft, the USAF enlisted smarts
were akin to the AMATEUR hobbyist level of experience in
their 'specialties." That's just how it was, Vietnam REMF.


I never had to learn any morsemanship in 1952, 1962, 1972,
1982, 1992, 2002...for work or play. shrug

You don't have to learn any now.

Riiiight. Between 1952 and time now I NEVER had to learn or
use morse code as a PROFESSIONAL *OR* as a hobbyist. That's
a 54-year span of time. That's operating a transmitter
LEGALLY in the EM spectrum from VLF to about 25 GHz, all the
decade-wide sections of the spectrum.

Let's call it one more thing that I know and that you don't.

Let's call it the *ONLY* thing in radio-electronics that
You "know more than I"...as a MORSEMAN on the AMATEUR bands,
using a morse code that has been relatively unchanged since
1844 (162 years ago).

That "Extra right out of the box" has certainly given you more trouble,
hasn't it?

No "trouble" at all. I haven't pursued it in the last six
years. I lost interest in getting a legal amateur radio
license four decades ago. Who needed morse code in the
1960s? Only the Recreationists trying to copy the "radio
pioneering of the 1920s and 1930s using an already out-of-
date mode. Hardly any sort of "advancing the state of the
communications art" was it?

Many of us have more experience than you in commercial, military or
governmental HF radio operations. Live with it.

News Flash, pedantic Prussian: That "us" does NOT include YOU.

Besides, to toss the literalist stuff right back in your face,
"commercial, military or governmental HF radio operations" is
NOT AMATEUR RADIO! :-)

Live with THAT! :-)


I'd already worked three years on spanning the Pacific Ocean
on HF. With Big radio equipment. Amateur stuff would
somehow "teach me" such things via a federal amateur license?

Yes, Len, it could have.

How in the HELL do YOU know? You really need to download my
photo essay and examine what was pictured and what I wrote.

Tell us all about the SEMICONDUCTOR-based equipment that ham
radio was using in the 1950s and how "I could have learned from
(getting a ham license)" back then? You speak BULL****.


Big Dave is the Mighty Macho Morseman...unstoppable in his
refusual to recognize others having a different opinion
than his godly wisdom...

You don't react well to folks who don't share your opinions, Len.
Google and the FCC electronics records are loaded with examples of how
you react.

Google archives are LOADED WITH EXAMPLES of "how badly YOU
react" to those that don't meet your versions of What Should
Be in US amateur radio. Pedantic Prussianism, literally
quoted from the publications of the ARRL.

My correspondence with the FCC is a matter of public record
and are strongly worded AGAINST morse code testing. In those
public records (which include the "electronic" archives...
actually magnetic archives) you will find that I do NOT
think the FCC's rulings should be to appease the emotional
hunger of the rabid amateur morsemen determined to keep
code testing forever and ever.


Nobody can tell Big Leonard what to do.

YES they can...and DO. You've been trying to do it for years!

When the Morse Code exam is
removed, you'll still be trying to open the box holding that Extra ticket.

What "box?" What "ticket?"

I've acquired three other FCC licenses in my time and still
pursue a hobby of electronics and radio in retirement. I am
secure in what I am and what I know. I've made a good living
in radio-electronics over the last half century and don't need
more "licenses." I sure as hell don't need to take up an on-off
code "skill" that's been around for 162 years...and then DROPPED
by ALL other radio services (if they ever considered morse code
to begin with)!

My object in here was to advocate the ELIMINATION of the code
exam. Except for the legal posting in the Federal Register,
THAT ELIMINATION HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED! Learn to live with it.


["into the valley of dearth rode the four hundred..."]

How many? Is this quote another of your factual errors?

Note the spelling of the word DEARTH. That's called a play
on words. A bit of HUMOR, a subject that has eluded your
correspondence in here.

Humorless pedantic Prussian literalists have GREAT difficulty
with any sort of humor or even whimsy. Try to accept that.
The no-code-test advocates aren't all hidebound to keep code
testing forever and ever, always marching in ranks to the
morse drumbeat under the direction of the ARRL old folks.

But, the humorless pedantic Prussian literalist will be always
on the lookout for "errors" and chastize those who don't think
as He does...then berate them for not being as good as He is.

FCC 06-178 is almost LAW. That's a fact of amateur radio
life for those seeking a hobby radio activity. Too bad for
the adamant pro-coders busy sneering and insulting all the
no-coders. But, times change, new laws will come in to
change the lives of some. The pro-coders have had their
emotional sustenance long enough. Now its time for THEM to
Get Off Federal Welfare and be good hobbyists of modern
times.

David, to you as always * F * Y * D * I * T * M * !

8.544,

" wrote in
oups.com:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...y/My3Years.pdf


Hey Len,

The link wouldn't work for me.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
" wrote in
oups.com:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...y/My3Years.pdf


Hey Len,

The link wouldn't work for me.

Please accept my apologies for omitting a part of the link...here is
correct one:

http://sujan.hallikainen.org/Broadca...s/My3Years.pdf

If you try just to the 'BroadcastHistory' part you will see a page
of
lots and lots of information on what was originally a site for
"Saving History from the Dumpster." My upload is under the
"Military
Radio" link where I've got a few other uploads besides the one
above.

BTW, Hallikainen himself is a ham. :-)

LA