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Dave Heil wrote:
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From:
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Most of the ready-built "CW" or SSB HF transceivers in use
today do that sort of keying. Major reason is keeping the
PA at the same bias for all modes selected; makes for a
simpler mode selection control.
I believe you've made another of your factual errors, Leonard.

Collins used to use this method in the KWM-2A. Unfortunately, the
company used a 1375 Hz tone--too high for anything but casual CW use.


"Casual CW use???"


Yeah, casual CW use. There are some folks who use CW occasionally.


There just might be. But the frequency that CW is used is not the same
thing as "casual use."

The
KWM-2A's scheme might be okay for some of those who are casual CW ops.
The KWM-2A offered no RIT and no CW filters. Go figure.


Good thing the OT's have never drooled over a KWM2.

As Colonel Jessup would say, "Is there any other kind?"


Yes, Colonel Jessup, there is another kind.


Its all hobby use.

today certainly CW as once used seriously but harly in what 50 years


I've never operated CW from a Harley.


Is there an ARRL special interest group for those with your talents, a
certificate suitable for framing?

Yeh. Morse Code is like a way-back time machine transporter for some
of these guys.


Are the three of you trying some sort of "Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest" routine?

Dave K8MN


There is only one of me.

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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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From:
(Michael Black) on Sun, Jan 14 2007
Most of the ready-built "CW" or SSB HF transceivers in use
today do that sort of keying. Major reason is keeping the
PA at the same bias for all modes selected; makes for a
simpler mode selection control.
I believe you've made another of your factual errors, Leonard.

Collins used to use this method in the KWM-2A. Unfortunately, the
company used a 1375 Hz tone--too high for anything but casual CW use.
"Casual CW use???"

Yeah, casual CW use. There are some folks who use CW occasionally.


There just might be. But the frequency that CW is used is not the same
thing as "casual use."


Len didn't know what the term meant. I defined it for him. Now you'd
like to tell me what I meant.

The
KWM-2A's scheme might be okay for some of those who are casual CW ops.
The KWM-2A offered no RIT and no CW filters. Go figure.


Good thing the OT's have never drooled over a KWM2.


Lots of folks wanted a KWM-2A. It was a good SSB rig. I know of no
individual who bought one for primary use on CW.

As Colonel Jessup would say, "Is there any other kind?"


Yes, Colonel Jessup, there is another kind.


Its all hobby use.


I think you'd better do your reading. Not all CW operation is for hobby
use, hot-ham-and-cheese.

today certainly CW as once used seriously but harly in what 50 years


I've never operated CW from a Harley.


Is there an ARRL special interest group for those with your talents, a
certificate suitable for framing?


There are all kinds of special interest groups and all sorts of
certificates and plaques. Some come from the ARRL.

Yeh. Morse Code is like a way-back time machine transporter for some
of these guys.

Are the three of you trying some sort of "Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest" routine?


There is only one of me.


Look up the page and note that all three of you have made your comments.
Now you all have rank, title and a certain notorious status.

Dave K8MN

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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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an_old_friend wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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From:
(Michael Black) on Sun, Jan 14 2007
Most of the ready-built "CW" or SSB HF transceivers in use
today do that sort of keying. Major reason is keeping the
PA at the same bias for all modes selected; makes for a
simpler mode selection control.
I believe you've made another of your factual errors, Leonard.

Collins used to use this method in the KWM-2A. Unfortunately, the
company used a 1375 Hz tone--too high for anything but casual CW use.
"Casual CW use???"
Yeah, casual CW use. There are some folks who use CW occasionally.


There just might be. But the frequency that CW is used is not the same
thing as "casual use."


Len didn't know what the term meant. I defined it for him. Now you'd
like to tell me what I meant.


You have defined nothing.

The
KWM-2A's scheme might be okay for some of those who are casual CW ops.
The KWM-2A offered no RIT and no CW filters. Go figure.


Good thing the OT's have never drooled over a KWM2.


Lots of folks wanted a KWM-2A. It was a good SSB rig. I know of no
individual who bought one for primary use on CW.


Who would have thought that SSB would be that popular?

As Colonel Jessup would say, "Is there any other kind?"


Yes, Colonel Jessup, there is another kind.


Its all hobby use.


I think you'd better do your reading. Not all CW operation is for hobby
use, hot-ham-and-cheese.


Sorry Dave, Amateur Use IS Hobby Use.

today certainly CW as once used seriously but harly in what 50 years


I've never operated CW from a Harley.


Is there an ARRL special interest group for those with your talents, a
certificate suitable for framing?


There are all kinds of special interest groups and all sorts of
certificates and plaques. Some come from the ARRL.


Congrats on membership in a niche club.

Yeh. Morse Code is like a way-back time machine transporter for some
of these guys.
Are the three of you trying some sort of "Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest" routine?


There is only one of me.


Look up the page and note that all three of you have made your comments.


I see you in the attribute history.

Now you all have rank, title and a certain notorious status.

Dave K8MN


I am responsible for my comments. You are responsible for yours.



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wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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From:
(Michael Black) on Sun, Jan 14 2007
Most of the ready-built "CW" or SSB HF transceivers in use
today do that sort of keying. Major reason is keeping the
PA at the same bias for all modes selected; makes for a
simpler mode selection control.
I believe you've made another of your factual errors, Leonard.

Collins used to use this method in the KWM-2A. Unfortunately, the
company used a 1375 Hz tone--too high for anything but casual CW use.
"Casual CW use???"
Yeah, casual CW use. There are some folks who use CW occasionally.
There just might be. But the frequency that CW is used is not the same
thing as "casual use."

Len didn't know what the term meant. I defined it for him. Now you'd
like to tell me what I meant.


You have defined nothing.


Oh, I defined it. You have understood nothing.

The
KWM-2A's scheme might be okay for some of those who are casual CW ops.
The KWM-2A offered no RIT and no CW filters. Go figure.
Good thing the OT's have never drooled over a KWM2.

Lots of folks wanted a KWM-2A. It was a good SSB rig. I know of no
individual who bought one for primary use on CW.


Who would have thought that SSB would be that popular?

As Colonel Jessup would say, "Is there any other kind?"
Yes, Colonel Jessup, there is another kind.
Its all hobby use.

I think you'd better do your reading. Not all CW operation is for hobby
use, hot-ham-and-cheese.


Sorry Dave, Amateur Use IS Hobby Use.


Will this be one of those things where, in several months, you'll state
that I wrote the above? See Len's statement above about the
transceivers manufactured. See if you can find where he says anything
about "amateur use". Not all CW operation is done for hobby use.

today certainly CW as once used seriously but harly in what 50 years
I've never operated CW from a Harley.
Is there an ARRL special interest group for those with your talents, a
certificate suitable for framing?

There are all kinds of special interest groups and all sorts of
certificates and plaques. Some come from the ARRL.


Congrats on membership in a niche club.


I've never been one to limit myself to a niche, hot-ham-and-cheese. I
operate contests; I chase DX, I enjoy a good ragchew; I handle traffic;
I use 160 meters. I use 6 & 2m and 70cm. I use SSB, CW, AM, FM and
several digital modes.

Yeh. Morse Code is like a way-back time machine transporter for some
of these guys.
Are the three of you trying some sort of "Dumb, Dumber and Dumbest" routine?
There is only one of me.

Look up the page and note that all three of you have made your comments.


I see you in the attribute history.


You can be "Dumber".

Now you all have rank, title and a certain notorious status.


I am responsible for my comments. You are responsible for yours.


I'm comfortable with that.

Dave K8MN
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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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thinks about his rank-title-status and decides he
is "better than anybody" who can't do as "good" as
himself.
Well, Len, the way you write here indicates that
you think you're better than everybody ;-)
I don't see how. Len has no amateur rank-title-status...


Actually he does:

His rank as an amateur is "Pre-Beginner"

His title is "Kibitzer"

His status is "Inactive"


So Len will achieve neophyte status once if ever he should obtain a license?


No.

If Len were to obtain a license, set up an amateur station and get it
on the air, he could change his "Inactive" status to "Slightly Active",
"Moderately Active" or "Very Active"

Yet the way he writes, he thinks he's better than everyone and
anyone in amateur radio.


That has long been evident. Amateur radio makes Leonard angry. The
ARRL makes Len angry. The idea that some radio ham knows more about a
topic than him, makes Leonard angry.


And a lot more things. For example, having someone he considers
inferior correct some
of his mistakes makes Len angry.

Len has problems with authority,
seniority, titles, the Morse Code (and those who use it) and with mere
amateurs who do something for the love of it.


Also the inclusion of children in amateur radio, changes in real estate
zoning initiated by those he considers outsiders, civilians daring to
comment or even be knowledgeable about military history....the list
goes on and on.

That's what makes it all the more peculiar. Len likes to tell us that
he is a PROFESSIONAL writer and that he did BIG TIME radio over a half
century back. Did you know that Len belongs to the IEEE?


Really? ;-) I suppose some folks could have missed that, the first
couple of
hundred times he mentioned it.


I figured that there were people who might have missed that or the story
of Len's "BIG TIME" in HF radio. For a guy who doesn't need status, Len
certainly takes every opportunity to remind us of his status.


That's not status - that's title.

Most of all, Len thinks his experiences of long ago in non-amateur
radio
should cause everyone in amateur radio to respect, honor and agree with
him - regardless of how he behaves. Regardless of their own experience,
education, knowledge and skills, all amateurs should yield to and
support
Len's opinions over all others, never disagreeing with him or pointing
out
his errors of fact or logic.


That pretty well sums it up. Have you noticed that every time I bring
up Len's sphincter post, he goes silent for a period? He has never
acknowledged it as a bald-faced whopper.


You have to read that post carefully. I don't think Len ever mentions
that
*he* was on the receiving end of an artillery barrage. He just mentions

what allegedly happens to all sphincters in the area.

He likewise clammed up when I
pointed out his denigration of a fellow military veteran (me),


Not just you. The sphincters post was aimed at a US Coast Guard radio
operator,
whose experience as a *military Morse Code radio operator* is both
infinitely more extensive and far more recent than Len's.

There's also his denigration of your nonmilitary Government service.

yet he is
quick to wrap himself in bunting, mount the soapbox and rail against any
perceived slight to himself as a military veteran.


Any disagreement to his statements is considered an insult by Len.

Len is a riddle,
wrapped in an enigma and dipped in red, white and blue.


No, not a riddle or an enigma.

I have him pegged as an angry old guy who happened to choose amateur
radio as his target.


Actually, rereading all of this makes me feel kinda sad for Len. Here's
a guy
who insists on telling us how wonderful his life is and has been (after
all,
he bought that R-70 receiver new for CASH) but seems very angry much
of the time.

He says he's interested in "all of radio-electronics" as a "hobby",
and has spammed ECFS with hundreds of pages of verbiage, but has never
become a ham. (He says he comments for altruistic reasons.) Despite his
efforts, FCC will
soon eliminate the Morse Code test - yet Len's anger continues and even
grows.

Tomorrow it will be seven years since the classic "out of the box"
post.

Me thinks he doth protest too much.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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thinks about his rank-title-status and decides he
is "better than anybody" who can't do as "good" as
himself.
Well, Len, the way you write here indicates that
you think you're better than everybody ;-)
I don't see how. Len has no amateur rank-title-status...
That's what makes it all the more peculiar. Len likes to tell us that
he is a PROFESSIONAL writer and that he did BIG TIME radio over a half
century back. Did you know that Len belongs to the IEEE?

Dave K8MN
None of that is amateur, is it?
Did Len write "amateur", hot-ham-and-cheese?


Len did "write" in Ham Radio, an amateur publication.


ham radio was a professional publication about amateur radio.


A publication about amateur radio can be called "an amateur
publication." See above.

Did Len write "amateur", hot-ham-and-cheese?


He did not write amateurishly.

Len is all about rank,
title and status--when it is his rank, title or status.


You are fond of stating that Len has no rank, title, or status in
amateur radio. You are correct. Jim is mistaken.


Jim came up with some apropos titles for Leonard.


Len has no titles in amateur radio.

Leonard has earned
them.


Len has earned no titles in amateur radio.

I've often written that Leonard H. Anderson is not a participant
in amateur radio.


Quiteoften.

It was true the first time that I wrote it and it is
true today.


Like I said, you are correct. Jim is mistaken.

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From: on Thurs, Jan 18 2007 3:12 am

Dave Heil wrote:
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Dave Heil wrote:
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So Len will achieve neophyte status once if ever he should obtain a license?


No.


That is correct. I am not a "neophyte" in radio.
I've been a professional in radio-electronics for
55 years, had a Commercial radio operator license
since 1956, a PLMRS radio station, membership (now
Life status) in a professional association, and
have been both contributor and associate editor for
an amateur radio periodical.

If Len were to obtain a license, set up an amateur station and get it
on the air, he could change his "Inactive" status to "Slightly Active",
"Moderately Active" or "Very Active"


Miccolis is WRONG. All that a US amateur radio
license grant to me would convey only the
AUTHORIZATION to emit RF within allocated
amateur radio bands. AUTHORIZATION from the
federal government, not "qualification" nor
any "inactive" or "active" labels. One either
has authorization or no authorization.

Yet the way he writes, he thinks he's better than everyone and
anyone in amateur radio.


That has long been evident.


Tsk...only to prissy little pedants like Miccolis
and Heil trying to market their "expertise in
amateurism" as some kind of royal title. :-)

Amateur radio makes Leonard angry.


Miccolis is WRONG. But, to his mind, morse code and
amteurism are all one and the same (another mistaken
notion) and it makes HIM "angry" that his desires
aren't obeyed. shrug

The ARRL makes Len angry.


Miccolis is WRONG. The ARRL is very good at what
it does. It has succeeded in making many, many
amateurs think that a small group in New England
Knows What Is Best For Amateur Radio. They play
to the wish-fulfillment of radio hobbyists who
want to more than just hobbyists. They have
succeeded in becoming a virtual monopoly of
published material for the specialty niche of
US amateur radio. I admire them for their
sheer chutzpah and ability to stay in BUSINESS
as a multi-million-dollar-a-year (reported
income) publishers.

I do NOT LIKE their approach of idolizing either
archaic technology or the (self-defined by them)
"leaders" of US amateur radio. The ARRL is losing
its "touch" and membership is slowly falling, not
close to keeping up with the change in US
population. The ARRL gives the impression that
is shuns the Technician class licensee which now
makes up half of ALL US amateur radio licensees.


The idea that some radio ham knows more about a
topic than him, makes Leonard angry.


And a lot more things. For example, having someone he considers
inferior correct some of his mistakes makes Len angry.


Miccolis and Heil are both WRONG. By their common
implication THEY are "better" than others...which
just compounds their wrongness.

Len has problems with authority,
seniority, titles, the Morse Code (and those who use it) and with mere
amateurs who do something for the love of it.


Also the inclusion of children in amateur radio, changes in real estate
zoning initiated by those he considers outsiders, civilians daring to
comment or even be knowledgeable about military history....the list
goes on and on.


Yes, as a matter of fact. :-)

You got a problem with that, Jimmie NOserve?


That's what makes it all the more peculiar. Len likes to tell us that
he is a PROFESSIONAL writer and that he did BIG TIME radio over a half
century back. Did you know that Len belongs to the IEEE?

Really? ;-) I suppose some folks could have missed that, the first
couple of hundred times he mentioned it.


I figured that there were people who might have missed that or the story
of Len's "BIG TIME" in HF radio. For a guy who doesn't need status, Len
certainly takes every opportunity to remind us of his status.


That's not status - that's title.


Miccolis and Heil are both WRONG again. It was my LIFE
EXPERIENCE is all. I voluntarily joined the United
States ARMY in 1952 and lucked-out on my service
assignment by being sent to the third largest Army
network communications station in 1953.

Miccolis NEVER volunteered for any military service, was
NOT drafted, never even served the US government in any
official capacity. Yet Miccolis tries to imply that he is
an "expert" on all things military. shrug

Heil volunteered for the USAF, quite possibly (like so
many) trying to avoid the Draft and "served in a country
at war." Heil says NOTHING in detail of his duties or
involvement in radio in the USAF...probably because,
truth be told (by other than himself), he was a REMF.


You have to read that post carefully. I don't think Len ever mentions
that *he* was on the receiving end of an artillery barrage. He just mentions
what allegedly happens to all sphincters in the area.


That was as I was told by other soldiers who WERE in
actual combat. Those whose words I could believe were
true. But...the "critics" who dwell and dwell on
their "sphincter knowledge" imply that they "KNOW"
what the real truth is...WITHOUT having their own
experience as a baseline. In other words, both
Miccolis and Heil are truly bull****ting everyone
with their "knowledge of battle." :-)

Jimmie NOserve, CITE YOUR MILITARY EXPERIENCE to say
I was "wrong." You just don't have any such, do you?


There's also his denigration of your nonmilitary Government service.


One is "supposed" to "always respect" the United
States Department of State?!? guffaw Not
for me since George C. Marshall retired. Maybe
with Colin Powell but he saw what the bush league
was doing and quit.

One is "supposed" to "always respect" a posting to
a small African country consulate post, a country
whose main export is cashew nuts?

One is "supposed" to "always respect" a State
radio officer for "using CW to synchronize his
RTTY skeds" in the 1980s? :-)

Jimmie NOserve, ANY military veteran "earned
their chops" to talk to ANOTHER veteran. You are
NO veteran of military service. You want to make
nasty to someone by ruler-spanking their "behavior
to another vet," you better EARN THE RIGHT to do
that.


Any disagreement to his statements is considered an insult by Len.


Tsk. Miccolis and Heil are both WRONG again.

But, both are of a mindset that THEY are somehow
"superior" in all respects and that their amateur
radio license (amateur extra, gained when 20 WPM
testing was in effect) gives them "authorization"
for behaving like "superior" beings. :-)


Actually, rereading all of this makes me feel kinda sad for Len.


Poor baby. Got tissues?

Here's a guy who insists on telling us how wonderful his life is and has been (after
all, he bought that R-70 receiver new for CASH) but seems very angry much
of the time.


Miccolis is once again WRONG. [is there no end to
his mistakes?]

All in all, I've been fortunate in life. Not
overly so but enough for me. I've made some money
doing what I like, but no longer need to work to
keep a nice lifestyle. My wife is my high school
sweetheart (really, a fact known to our classmates
after our 50th high school reunion in 2001). I
began in radio communications at a large Army
radio station and that experience led me to change
majors to electronic engineering. No mortgage on
our house down south, none on the northern house.

So, I could pay cash for an Icom radio two decades
ago? No problem. I earned every penny of that cash.
Wife and I bought a 2005 Chevy Malibu MAXX cash
(actually on a credit card!). I don't consider
that as any kind of "superiority." We both worked
for our money, earning all of it. The purchase via
credit card was a lark, something we could do...so
we did it! You really ought to make some insult
hay out of that...wow, must be some moral deficit
to you to actually spend money for anything! :-)

He says he's interested in "all of radio-electronics" as a "hobby",
and has spammed ECFS with hundreds of pages of verbiage, but has never
become a ham.


Hello? Did you miss my "hundreds of postings" about
my First 'Phone Commercial license obtained in 1956?
That was 50 years ago, Jimmie Noserve, AFTER I'd been
three years active military service at Army station
ADA. Of WHAT PURPOSE would there be in "getting a
ham license before becoming professional?" Besides
the fun of having that hobby?

Tsk, I guess having an amateur radio license is NOT
fun...it is something all have to work for...harder
than anything they've done in life? It's a "service
to the country" that ham hobby?

Oh, If I'd become a butcher, I would certainly have
gotten a ham license...which includes a beef license
and a fish license and all other good stuff
regulated by the FDA and LA Health Department. :-)


(He says he comments for altruistic reasons.) Despite his
efforts, FCC will
soon eliminate the Morse Code test - yet Len's anger continues and even
grows.


Ho ho! Miccolis is once again WRONG! [no end
for his mistakes in sight...] Not only WRONG but
FULL OF ****. [take some Ex-Lax, Jimmie]

"Despite my efforts" the FCC announced FCC 06-178?!?

Wow, poor Jimmie got all tangled up in his thinking.

Hundreds and hundreds of US commented to the FCC
about ENDING the code test for an amateur radio
license. Really. It must have convinced the FCC.

It sure as hell didn't convince the pro-coders. :-)

Pro-coders can continue on their mistaken belief
that they do a national service by having amateur
radio as a hobby...or being "all" involved in
emergency communications...and being some kind of
forefront of "homeland security" by being able to
pound brass. They are keeping the "tradition" of
archaic radiotelegraphy as a living museum of old
radio. I am sooooo impressed......[not]

"Anger?!" I don't think so [he said grinning from
ear to ear]. Accuse me of GLOATING, not "anger."

All those years of hearing the pseudo-experts of
radio with their amateur license extoll the glory
and majesty of morsemanship and how "all must WORK
(at morsemanship) to show their 'dedication' to
ham radio!" Wow! All that going down the tubes!

Jimmie, it's time you invited your "friends and
neighbors" over so they can "admire your work."
You obviously need some TLC after that hangover.
[from drinking all that whine of sour grapes]

Damn, but this GLOATING feels GOOD! :-)


LA

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